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Zax

wonder if the screens are constructed differently depending on the size,
I had 4 pieces to my screen frame. 1 top and 1 bottom, and 2 sides. All connect at the comers as per usual.
The top and bottoms are giant, over 12 feet. I expected it to be 2 pieces.

I had no springs, but rather these little clips that push down on the little rids and screen material. It was extremely tough to do. So likely a different system then yours.
Here is 1 pic, I will get better ones. My room is not complete as you can see.
Wonder why that is.
Weird, the only thing I can think is that there's a difference between the design of the 130" and the 150" screens. I ordered the normal 4" fixed frame, is that what you ordered as well?

I would be inclined to say that they probably sell 130" more than 150", so perhaps the 130" went through some kind of revision as I really can't complain about the springs, they weren't hard to install but they work great!
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Hi together

is there anybody who can show me a picture of the draper surface? A shot distance of 2 ft be a dream.

Thanks a lot
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Now i has samples at home.

Great screen, but the gain of 1.15 is a myth. It is less bright than a Stewart Snowmatte. And this has a gain of 1.

For now this is the only thing i would complain about.
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So, i measured the Audioweave.
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I'm terribly late in posting this.

In terms of picture quality, I'm throwing a 130" 2.35:1 diagonal image from a JVC X990/RS640 whose lens is about 15-16' from the screen. Seating positions are at 10' and 15'. At no time can you see the weave of the screen, it is very fine. Due to it being at an angle, there is no moire effect and the picture is even without bright spots.
This warms my heart. I am building a space right now, lens will be 15' from screen, seating positions 10' and 15'. At what point can you see the weave if you walk towards it? I haven't bought a screen or projector yet. Thinking the RS440 and looking for a screen to match. I have Seymour UF/XD samples in transit.
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So, i measured the Audioweave.
What am I looking at here...this mean the screen is adding a -2-4dB loss across all frequencies?

I wonder how it would rank in this https://www.accucalav.com/wp-content...een_report.pdf
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This warms my heart. I am building a space right now, lens will be 15' from screen, seating positions 10' and 15'. At what point can you see the weave if you walk towards it? I haven't bought a screen or projector yet. Thinking the RS440 and looking for a screen to match. I have Seymour UF/XD samples in transit.
I just tried to walk towards it and look for weave and I GUESS I can see it at 7 feet. But my eyes are maybe slightly less than 20/20 at this point.

But honestly, at 10', you will be FINE in terms of weave. The 440 will likely throw a bright enough picture in a light-controlled room.
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I just tried to walk towards it and look for weave and I GUESS I can see it at 7 feet. But my eyes are maybe slightly less than 20/20 at this point.

But honestly, at 10', you will be FINE in terms of weave. The 440 will likely throw a bright enough picture in a light-controlled room.
Completely light controlled, but still going to be close to call on brightness. That's why the 1.15 gain quoted on this screen made me excited as well until I saw Olli FZ's post

I have a feeling the Seymour UF at 0.8 gain will be definitely be too dark for me. Not too keen on paying shipping fees + border tax. Really too bad Elunevision doesnt do samples
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Completely light controlled, but still going to be close to call on brightness. That's why the 1.15 gain quoted on this screen made me excited as well until I saw Olli FZ's post

I have a feeling the Seymour UF at 0.8 gain will be definitely be too dark for me. Not too keen on paying shipping fees + border tax. Really too bad Elunevision doesnt do samples
How big of a screen and what ratio are you going with?
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how big of a screen and what ratio are you going with?
130" 2.35:1
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130" 2.35:1
Ok, not sure about brightness at that size. Have you looked at Seymour's XD material? I think it's the brightest AT screen material available. The weave might be a problem at 10 feet but I think it's recommended for 10 feet or greater seating distances.
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Really too bad Elunevision doesnt do samples
I just ordered a sample.. they charged me $30 but will take that off the price of the screen if I buy it. $30 now may save me a $2k mistake later...
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Ok, not sure about brightness at that size. Have you looked at Seymour's XD material? I think it's the brightest AT screen material available. The weave might be a problem at 10 feet but I think it's recommended for 10 feet or greater seating distances.
I have samples of both XD/UF on the way. No projector to test them.....but at least I'll be ready when I do.

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I just ordered a sample.. they charged me $30 but will take that off the price of the screen if I buy it. $30 now may save me a $2k mistake later...
Nice, let me know how that goes! Whats the strategy for testing samples anyway. Just pin it up against a wall ?
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Nice, let me know how that goes! Whats the strategy for testing samples anyway. Just pin it up against a wall ?
That's my strategy... For me it is more about looking for sparkles, seeing if I can see the weave or perfs, and seeing if any of them are significantly brighter than the others.

Frankly if I can get away with using an elunevision over a Stewart, the $4k difference will count for a lot...
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XD weave is visible at 10 feet, I got a sample.

I have 130" 2.35:1 and x990/rs640 and brightness isn't a problem. Bulb is new though. I'm on Eco mode. Fan noise and eshift noise unnoticeable.

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XD weave is visible at 10 feet, I got a sample.

I have 130" 2.35:1 and x990/rs640 and brightness isn't a problem. Bulb is new though. I'm on Eco mode. Fan noise and eshift noise unnoticeable.

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Since I'm new to this game, the rs640 is 1900 lumens and the rs440 is 1800. Does 100 lumens constitute a significant difference?
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Hi,

my measuring is not so bad it looks like. The db loss is nearly the same over the complete scope. It's easy to balance it, in my case with Dirac.
The measuring I do is with the black backing, I think without it the db loss would be less.
I don't see any struktur of the screen material by 10ft viewing distance. What's anoying me most is the less Gain than promised. I compared the Audioweave with an Stewart Snowmatte with a Gain of 1 and the Audioweave is less bright than it. Both compared with black backing.
Don't get me wrong, the EluneVision is in summery the best screen I had in my Cinema until now. The sharpness is great and the not viewable weave is in camparse to the other screens I tested a big plus. From my viewing position I saw the struktur of all other screen material. The Snowmatte ist brighter, yes, but it's much more expensive and you can see the holes from 10 ft distance. The sharpness I think is equal.
The picture shows the Snowmatte on the EluneVision.
I think in small rooms like mine, the EluneVision is a very good choice. My screen is an 108" by 10ft distance, if the viewing distance is much higher and the Screen bigger the brightness could be a problem. In HDR mode I reach 32fl with my optimized Sony VW360es, that's perfect.
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my measuring is not so bad it looks like. The db loss is nearly the same over the complete scope. It's easy to balance it, in my case with Dirac.
The measuring I do is with the black backing, I think without it the db loss would be less.
I don't see any struktur of the screen material by 10ft viewing distance. What's anoying me most is the less Gain than promised. I compared the Audioweave with an Stewart Snowmatte with a Gain of 1 and the Audioweave is less bright than it. Both compared with black backing.
Don't get me wrong, the EluneVision is in summery the best screen I had in my Cinema until now. The sharpness is great and the not viewable weave is in camparse to the other screens I tested a big plus. From my viewing position I saw the struktur of all other screen material. The Snowmatte ist brighter, yes, but it's much more expensive and you can see the holes from 10 ft distance. The sharpness I think is equal.
The picture shows the Snowmatte on the EluneVision.
I think in small rooms like mine, the EluneVision is a very good choice. My screen is an 108" by 10ft distance, if the viewing distance is much higher and the Screen bigger the brightness could be a problem. In HDR mode I reach 32fl with my optimized Sony VW360es, that's perfect.
Hi Olli,

Quick question. You mentioned that without the black backing, you think the db loss would be less. I installed the black backing on mine as well, but was a little concerned about db drop. Do you think the black backing is necessary? Does it increase brightness on the screen? The whole area behind my screen is blacked out with black fabric already, so maybe I don't need it? I am also VERY happy with the Elunevision screen.

Thanks for your testing!
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Since I'm new to this game, the rs640 is 1900 lumens and the rs440 is 1800. Does 100 lumens constitute a significant difference?
My thinking here is that yes the bulb is only 100 lumens less bright when brand new (however the RS640/X990 is 2000 lumens, RS540/X890 is 1900 lumens), but as the bulb degrades, you may want as much brightness to start with as possible. I went with the X990 specifically for that reason. I wasn't too worried about picture quality, but more with having maximum brightness that will be maintained as long as possible as the bulb degrades.

As it is, I only have about 150-200 hours on my bulb and it's still amazing of course. Not sure what it will look like at 2000 hours, but I'm not too worried. I have a completely black room with velvet all around the screen.
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my measuring is not so bad it looks like. The db loss is nearly the same over the complete scope. It's easy to balance it, in my case with Dirac.
The measuring I do is with the black backing, I think without it the db loss would be less.
I don't see any struktur of the screen material by 10ft viewing distance. What's anoying me most is the less Gain than promised. I compared the Audioweave with an Stewart Snowmatte with a Gain of 1 and the Audioweave is less bright than it. Both compared with black backing.
Don't get me wrong, the EluneVision is in summery the best screen I had in my Cinema until now. The sharpness is great and the not viewable weave is in camparse to the other screens I tested a big plus. From my viewing position I saw the struktur of all other screen material. The Snowmatte ist brighter, yes, but it's much more expensive and you can see the holes from 10 ft distance. The sharpness I think is equal.
The picture shows the Snowmatte on the EluneVision.
I think in small rooms like mine, the EluneVision is a very good choice. My screen is an 108" by 10ft distance, if the viewing distance is much higher and the Screen bigger the brightness could be a problem. In HDR mode I reach 32fl with my optimized Sony VW360es, that's perfect.
Hi Olli,

Quick question. You mentioned that without the black backing, you think the db loss would be less. I installed the black backing on mine as well, but was a little concerned about db drop. Do you think the black backing is necessary? Does it increase brightness on the screen? The whole area behind my screen is blacked out with black fabric already, so maybe I don't need it? I am also VERY happy with the Elunevision screen.

Thanks for your testing!
I didn't measured it until now. Perhaps I do it next weeks. But yes, I think the backing is dipping the db level. The material is much thicker than normal acoustic fabric. Extraordanary is the similar db loss about the whole frequency slope with backing. That's good for the automatic measuring of AVRs. They only need to high the db level of the speaker. Possible that whithout backing the similary goes.
If there is anything behind the screen that maybe reflect, you should let the backing behind it. The contrast usually is higher with backing, that's what EluneVision also saying.
By the way, the smooth side of the backing should be on screen side. My manual has no information about this inside so I asked EluneVision.
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Have anyone actually compared this audioweave screen to spandex side by side ..? im thinking to change my diy spandex screen to something else, but i dont actually know how to proceed.. (just yet) there's always so much pros and cons.. i like to keep speakers behind the screen, but not the cost of image accuracy or "pop" -effect etc. (pj is rs500)

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I got my sample of the audioweave 4k. It looks good, but I have not tested it against others yet. I am concerned about the lack of stretchy-ness though. How do you tension something that doesn't seem to stretch?
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I got my sample of the audioweave 4k. It looks good, but I have not tested it against others yet. I am concerned about the lack of stretchy-ness though. How do you tension something that doesn't seem to stretch?
Over a 10 foot by 4 foot piece, it stretches enough to removes wrinkles. I have the 130" 2.35 and there are absolutely ZERO wrinkles once all the springs are installed. The only thing you need to make sure of is that the frame is square. The first time I screwed it together a little fast and there was a slight angle (more or less than 90-degrees depending on which corner) and that made it not stretch perfectly. Once square, the screen is perfectly flat and wrinkle free.

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I got my sample of the audioweave 4k. It looks good, but I have not tested it against others yet. I am concerned about the lack of stretchy-ness though. How do you tension something that doesn't seem to stretch?
Maybe some eyelet & heavy duty rubberband combo could work ? And ye, i dont wanna either spend over ~600€ (here in fin) to aluminium frames. So im wrestling with same thing. Plain surface is expensive enough.

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I went and saw the 4k audioweave in person. At 11ft couldn't see the weave, started walking towards the screen...couldn't see it until I was basically close enough to lick it. Ordered it on the spot, hopefully arrives this week.
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I went and saw the 4k audioweave in person. At 11ft couldn't see the weave, started walking towards the screen...couldn't see it until I was basically close enough to lick it. Ordered it on the spot, hopefully arrives this week.
Out of curiosity, where did you see it in person?
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Out of curiosity, where did you see it in person?
Eastporters in Oakville, On.
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Oh cool, that's the Elunevision headquarters as well. Glad you liked the screen. I'm loving mine!
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Oh cool, that's the Elunevision headquarters as well. Glad you liked the screen. I'm loving mine!
Can't wait. PJ, receiver, blu-ray player all sitting in the adjacent room. Screen on the way and speakers pretty much decided on.

It's giving me real motivation to finish up construction on the room
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Oh cool, that's the Elunevision headquarters as well. Glad you liked the screen. I'm loving mine!
Since we have the same screen, can you clarify something in the instructions for me.

"You will need to drill two holes for each bracket, which is 23mm and 28mm below the top border of the screen on the wall"

I assume this is the top border of the frame, and not the viewable screen? I want the top of my viewable screen to be 9" down from the ceiling, trying to figure out how high the brackets need to be to achieve this.

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