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Samsung 3D Cinema LED and The Wall Professional at ISE 2018

ISE 2018 is underway in Amsterdam. Samsung is showing off two direct-emitting LED products, The Wall Professional and 3D Cinema LED.

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Nice screen, too large for my wall.

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146 inches of UHD super HDR with 3D as bright as 2D. Expect to see used PJ's flood the market in a year and remodeled theatre room alterations sooner.

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146 inches of UHD super HDR with 3D as bright as 2D. Expect to see used PJ's flood the market in a year and remodeled theatre room alterations sooner.
Pretty sure we won't be buying these in the next couple years.....
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146 inches of UHD super HDR with 3D as bright as 2D. Expect to see used PJ's flood the market in a year and remodeled theatre room alterations sooner.
Maybe in five years...

Challenges as I see it:

1. Not acoustically transparent
2. Fixed screen size by resolution (due to pixel pitch dimensions)
3. Power/heat might turn off a lot of customers (in its current form)
4. Price isn't even an issue at the moment since it's not even a real product yet
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Maybe in five years...

Challenges as I see it:

1. Not acoustically transparent
2. Fixed screen size by resolution (due to pixel pitch dimensions)
3. Power/heat might turn off a lot of customers (in its current form)
4. Price isn't even an issue at the moment since it's not even a real product yet
I wonder if this will be a "glasses free" model as has been talked about for years and is supposedly coming to fruition thanks to James Cameron's Avatar sequels?
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I wonder if this will be a "glasses free" model as has been talked about for years and is supposedly coming to fruition thanks to James Cameron's Avatar sequels?
Glasses-free 3D has been at CES for nearly a decade, but no one seems able/willing to bring it to market, besides the Nintendo 3DS of course. One of these days, 3D will probably stick... 6th time's a charm, right?
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Glasses-free 3D has been at CES for nearly a decade, but no one seems able/willing to bring it to market, besides the Nintendo 3DS of course. One of these days, 3D will probably stick... 6th time's a charm, right?
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I am happy to get it any way I can...
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So the wall will not have 3D? Is the 3D passive? OK? I'm going out now, to buy a lottery ticket.
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Let me know when these become available for under $5,000 within the next 20 years.
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Let me know when these become available for under $5,000 within the next 20 years.
1997, 42" plasma = $15,000 ($22,500 in today's dollars). So perhaps!

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It will be $100,000 plus and these never find their way into the consumer market. LG and Sony released 100" screens last few years, they're still 35K or more. 146", likely 150k minimum.

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$150,000? Is that all?

Where do I preorder?
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It will be $100,000 plus and these never find their way into the consumer market. LG and Sony released 100" screens last few years, they're still 35K or more. 146", likely 150k minimum.
I would expect the 146" model to be around $400,000, and certainly a special order item like their previous giant screen efforts. Definitely not intended for the mass market crowd.

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I would expect the 146" model to be around $400,000, and certainly a special order item like their previous giant screen efforts. Definitely not intended for the mass market crowd.
Except that the direct-emitting LED screens are modular so there's no logical reason why you would have the incredible escalation in price that's experienced when dealing with displays that's need a single large piece of glass to work with, and the associated costs of essentially having to build a totally custom TV when going super-large. That's not the case here, with The Wall, unlike current flat-panel TV Technologies.

So, all I am saying is that if the same tiles are usable for consumer and commercial applications and are not vanity one-off projects like those ultra-large, six-figure TVs, then the pricing might not be so severe, but again I have no actual idea.
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I love my LG W7. I wonder if there's a way to build my own "Wall TV" by buying 8 more of them? I've seen plenty of setups that used multiple screens to create one large screen. I'm assuming it's setup using some kind of HDMI distribution hub and some kind of software to do this.

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This has so much more potential than anything out there. They can run off 40-65 inch Wall Tiles to suit consumers needs. Once the machine presses are built, they can just crank these tiles out. $800-$1000 a tile for regular 4K HDR, $1300-$1500 4K 3D version per tile would be a big winner. Competition would be from big screen rollable OLED. I can see this tile tech coming next year with affordability for masses by 2020. Followed by big screen Wallpaper and Rollable OLED.

Projectors can't get Native 4K down to affordable let alone throw in Dolby Vision and proper HDR. Or in Sony's cheap ass case: 18Gps.. This should be a very big wake up call to the PJ market. Get your prices down, 4K native without wobulating, e-shifting, or DLP XPR double shifting or the cheapest way now-quad shifting with a nice light border. (HT2550)

After 25+l years of fooling with Rear Projection T.V.'s, over price LCD/Plasma, RGB projector Tanks, and 1080p/fake 4k I am so READY FOR THIS! Tired of adjusting the zoom, screen adjustments, mounting the projector, calibrating...etc,etc.... Oh, gotta buy a bulb now... 65 inch OLED I bought my mom is the best picture I have ever viewed. Just not big enough.

I would take the penalty on my retirement plan and pay $15,000 right now to have a 100 inch version.

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I hope they support 2.40:1 aspect ratio. 72" x 172" please!

I wonder what the minimum viewing distance is before most people see pixels/screendoor.
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As a big 3D fan im very glad to see that 3D isn't being forgotten.

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Awesome! Nice to have confirmation The Wall will do other sizes and aspect ratios

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Pretty sure we won't be buying these in the next couple years.....
Well as it happens I probably will indeed be buying one of these. 2.40:1 aspect ratio The Wall to be precise

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Challenges as I see it:

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Neither of these is an issue / problem


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Seems I read that the audio is so good on these, most would prefer to eliminate their present LF, Center, and RF so acoustic transparency wouldn't be an issue. If memory serves me right, when you add a panel, somehow it opens up an option to increase resolution from 4k to 8k. Personally 1 panel would be plenty for me, at least for the time being afaik. I also wonder how close you would view multi panels without noticing the seam. I'm thinking some of the wild backyards I've seen over the years and not just commercial apps.

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I like that the panels are modular and you can put together different configurations, but, what's the resolution of a single panel? Wouldn't they have to fit together so the sum of the resolutions is a common content size?
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This has so much more potential than anything out there. They can run off 40-65 inch Wall Tiles to suit consumers needs. Once the machine presses are built, they can just crank these tiles out. $800-$1000 a tile for regular 4K HDR, $1300-$1500 4K 3D version per tile would be a big winner. Competition would be from big screen rollable OLED. I can see this tile tech coming next year with affordability for masses by 2020. Followed by big screen Wallpaper and Rollable OLED.
But can you get UHD resolution at the smaller sizes? Having a 65" tile that can only show HD resolution isn't going to sell.
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Nice screen, too large for my wall.
Too large for your wall as well
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But can you get UHD resolution at the smaller sizes? Having a 65" tile that can only show HD resolution isn't going to sell.
But there's no reason to tile at that size. For 65" because of demand/volume but also ease of shipping versus 146" TVs, you'd further develop micro-LED and build TVs with a single panel of them instead, I would think.

Of course once there are micro-LEDs of the size needed for 4K 65", putting them on tiles would let you offer an 8K The Wall. Which I'd have to think is where this is all going but it is just a guess.

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