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Nice review @LumensLover , much appreciated!

Do you think DES Pulsar would be good choice for Epson 3700 also, or should I go with Abyss? (projector in living room, so not 100% light controlled)
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Nice review @LumensLover , much appreciated!

Do you think DES Pulsar would be good choice for Epson 3700 also, or should I go with Abyss? (projector in living room, so not 100% light controlled)
The Epson 3700 is a true light cannon. I would suggest going with the .9 gain Abyss with that projector. They should make an amazing combination.
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@LumensLover , I suggested some time back that if these screens were as great as everyone posting here seems to think that they ought to send a screen to one of the trusted professional AV review sites for instrumented testing and evaluation. It seems to me that a credible positive professional review could potentially multiply their sales volume many times over. But it seems that there has been no effort to do this. Based on your experience can you think of any reason why these screens might produce anything other than great results in controlled, instrumented testing by an experienced, unbiased professional reviewer?
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@LumensLover , I suggested some time back that if these screens were as great as everyone posting here seems to think that they ought to send a screen to one of the trusted professional AV review sites for instrumented testing and evaluation. It seems to me that a credible positive professional review could potentially multiply their sales volume many times over. But it seems that there has been no effort to do this. Based on your experience can you think of any reason why these screens might produce anything other than great results in controlled, instrumented testing by an experienced, unbiased professional reviewer?
No sir I cannot. This material though not flawless, is a superb product. It is priced at a fraction of it's high end competition which it handily outperforms in my experience. But let me give a few opinions on this situation. Anyone reading this please understand these are my opinions alone and do not represent Dark Energy Screens. Now I am someone who was involved in running a small business before. So typically when you have a small startup business capital is hard to come by.

Sometimes you do not have any additional money to purchase materials for demo items which you can not resell quickly. My other opinion comes from my personal experience of observing people online on this forum and observing people at many high-end shops in the city where I live. From what I've observed people who are going to buy mid to higher end items go in to find what they want and they purchase said product. Normally after they talk to a sales agent.

On the other end of the spectrum I've noticed the paralysis by analysis group which is prevalent online. These are the people doing hours of research, reading countless professional and consumer reviews, yet rarely purchase anything new. They are stuck in a neverending cycle of "I'll think about it" and "maybe I will look into getting said product next month/quarter/year".

Perpetual windowshoppers do nothing to help a business maintain any semblance of a profit margin. As a former small business owner myself, I would not waste any time trying to cater to the latter crowd of people.

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@LumensLover one more question and I'm out I promise If somehow I get a good price for Epson 4000 or 5040, and buy it, would you still recommend Abyss over Pulsar for those two?
Also, in my country, model 4000 is exactly double the price of 3700 (1.600$ and 3.200$). Is it worth it, or should I stick with 3700?
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@LumensLover one more question and I'm out I promise If somehow I get a good price for Epson 4000 or 5040, and buy it, would you still recommend Abyss over Pulsar for those two?
Also, in my country, model 4000 is exactly double the price of 3700 (1.600$ and 3.200$). Is it worth it, or should I stick with 3700?
Ask as many questions as you like.

If you go with the Epson 4000, I would still suggest the .9 gain Abyss. Projector reviews stated it is only 10% less bright than the Epson 5040. I don't think the gap in image quality between the 4000 and the 3700 is that great. I definitely would not pay twice the price.

However, if you mainly watch 4k UHD movies you will notice the added sharpness provided by the E-shift enabled Epson 4000. If you are using a larger screen bigger than 120", I would heavily advise going with the Pulsar.
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I own the abyss .9. I do not have a ton of experience with screens. I have been through many projectors but, screens not so much. Saying that I have found this screen to be absolutely amazing! The pulsar was not available when I purchased it otherwise I would have considered it. The only issue is I have the Epson 2045 and anything with this kind of light output would more than likely be too bright in most modes for the 1.4 Pulsar. I would suggest you reach out to Stephen if you are at all interested though. He has been incredibly helpful in walking me through everything.

The 3700 would be much better suited with the abyss .9 I would think. Also keep the projector 14' or more away. If you do not in some of the incredibly bright modes you can get hot spotting. With my 2045 and a brand new bulb even in the brightest mode at 12' I do not see any hot spotting with Epson Super White - ON.

I would love to see a side by side with the Pulsar and the Abyss just to compare but I doubt this will hapen.
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Notice how black Van Damme's shorts remain with one light on each side of screen. Both lights contain 800 lumens bulbs.
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Funeral shot. Notice how dark this woman's black dress remains under moderate levels of ambient light. Also notice the black cars behind her.
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No loss in brightness off axis, but strong light rejection from the sides, and 1.4 gain on axis.

Makes you wonder how this can be as that goes against the laws of physics. In order for a screen to do this it would have to actually produce light.

All I can figure is the screen can tell the difference between projector light and all other light and allow projector light to pass as normal and the screen then absorbs all other light. That world explain some of the claims but not how it can have gain and not loose light off angle is a puzzle.

This material really need to go thru a unbiased testing process by a third party to confirm all this. I hope the owners of the company have patents on the screen and process.

I’m not sure why you like bright lights off to the side of your screen though? I would rather have the bright lights down by where the viewers sit.

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how this screen compare to elite cinegray 5d. i mean graininess or sparkles, texture.

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how this screen compare to elite cinegray 5d. i mean graininess or sparkles, texture.

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Texture is smooth. I don't see any added graininess or sparkles. This material is miles ahead of the Elite Crooks Cinegrey 5D in my opinion. Their brightness seems nearly the same however the Cinegrey 5D does not reject off axis and overhead light nearly as good as the Pulsar does.

The Pulsar retains much deeper black levels compared to the Cinegrey 5D. The Cinegrey 5D is comparable to the Screen Innovations Slate. Both are bright screens and retain good black levels under a low level of ambient light like a few can lights. However, both the Cinegrey 5D and the Slate will wash out under a moderate amount of ambient light such as floor lamps or table lamps with 450 lumen bulbs.

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@LumensLover one more question and I'm out I promise If somehow I get a good price for Epson 4000 or 5040, and buy it, would you still recommend Abyss over Pulsar for those two?
Also, in my country, model 4000 is exactly double the price of 3700 (1.600$ and 3.200$). Is it worth it, or should I stick with 3700?
I know LumensLover responded but FWIW I have the .9 Abyss and used an Epson 4000 first, and now a 5040. I noticed no difference in brightness, and both looked great. No regrets.

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In your on angle and off angle shots of the same image example Pics12 Post # 31, the near side always shows increased brightness and the far side increased darkness compared to the on axis photo that shows uniform brightness.

This would be very distracting to me as I often sit off axis. Most screen manufactures post a half gain angle on screens >1.0. It is an accepted fact with gain screens that some brightness is lost off axis but in the case of this screen the brightness is increased on one side and lessened on the other. It is even noticeable in some of the slightly off axis screen shots.

Could you tell us a angle where you can sit off axis and the image still appears to be uniform brightness?

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Texture is smooth. I don't see any added graininess or sparkles. This material is miles ahead of the Elite Crooks Cinegrey 5D in my opinion. Their brightness seems nearly the same however the Cinegrey 5D does not reject off axis and overhead light nearly as good as the Pulsar does.

The Pulsar retains much deeper black levels compared to the Cinegrey 5D. The Cinegrey 5D is comparable to the Screen Innovations Slate. Both are bright screens and retain good black levels under a low level of ambient light like a few can lights. However, both the Cinegrey 5D and the Slate will wash out under a moderate amount of ambient light such as floor lamps or table lamps with 450 lumen bulbs.


I'm gonna guess that you paid over $700 for the DIY material. Is the pulsar worth 3, 4, or 5 times the cost of DIY Cinegrey 5D?
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In your on angle and off angle shots of the same image example Pics12 Post # 31, the near side always shows increased brightness and the far side increased darkness compared to the on axis photo that shows uniform brightness.

This would be very distracting to me as I often sit off axis. Most screen manufactures post a half gain angle on screens >1.0. It is an accepted fact with gain screens that some brightness is lost off axis but in the case of this screen the brightness is increased on one side and lessened on the other. It is even noticeable in some of the slightly off axis screen shots.

Could you tell us a angle where you can sit off axis and the image still appears to be uniform brightness?
The dark edges you see is not the screen. That is my phone attempting to adjust the picture due to the bright glare coming in from the adjacent lights.

I would not own an ALR screen with visibly sharp, dark edges while attempting to watch movies or TV. The only alr screen I've ever had which did so noticeably was the Black Diamond first generation material. And I quickly sold that after 2 months due to vignetting, colorshift off axis, and extreme drop off in brightness when viewed outside of 45 degrees.

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I'm gonna guess that you paid over $700 for the DIY material. Is the pulsar worth 3, 4, or 5 times the cost of DIY Cinegrey 5D?
Hell yes.
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Since I'm a very upfront person I'm going to be real with you guys in this thread. We know there are certain people in this thread who have no intention of ever purchasing an alr screen from DES or any alr screen manufacturer. They are only here to scrutinize. I'm trying to be a nice guy but please don't push me further with questions based on limited equipment I have which is a cheap cell phone camera and additional questions based on the request for a professional review for which I cannot answer since I am not the company owner.

This thread was done for fun with the intention to possibly help others who are earnestly looking for an affordable alr option. I am in no way trying to sell anyone on the aforementioned product. I'm also in no way presenting myself as professional reviewer.

So if anyone who's potentially interested in this product wants to ask questions for which I can attempt to help, I'm more than willing to do so. For anyone who has no real interest in this product, It will be best for them to participate elsewhere on the forum.
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You are correct I will most likely never buy a screen from DS or any ALR screen as I have no need for ALR properties in my theater except ambient light coming to the screen from the exact same location as the projectors light. Nothing from the sides or behind the screen. That does not mean I don’t help a lot of other people select screens for use with different situations concerning ambient light issues and it does not mean I don’t have an interest in the science behind it.

If this thread is closed to anyone that is not going to buy a DS screen in the near future then we need to know that because at that point the thread becomes an advertisement.

I have participated in thousands of screen threads without purchasing them and it was never once mentioned I needed to be planning a purchase in order to not anger the OP.

You posted about 50 off axis screen shots that clearly show a brighter image on the side of the photo nearest the camera and darker on the far side in comparison to photos taken of the same image straight on. Some show the bright light in the corner some don’t within the frame of the photo. I don’t dispute it could be your cameras auto adjusting doing its thing as screen shots actually mean very little as they adjust just as you stated and also adjust to perceived black levels just as our eyes do in ANSI images and so far all we have seen is ANSI images. If the camera can be doing this distortion then we have no reason to believe it isn’t inaccurate in how it is portraying black levels when they appear to be excellent.

I followed this thread for a week and looked at many screen shots. I’m told it is imposable to get samples of the material and we don’t know the price. If I was in the market or trying to help someone select a screen I would have to advise them based on that information.

Scrutinize & Question is what these forums are all about.

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For any other potentially interested people in this thread, I will post some more screenshots of the screen in the dark tonight. That will prevent my phone's anti-glare function from interfering with the pictures I take. I probably should have done this earlier, however I figured people do not want to see night time, dark room shots of the air screen. For those of you who are phone savvy, I'm not sure how to turn this anti-glare function off my phone. Anytime there's a bright light coming in from either corner when I take pictures my phone instantly adjust the corners of the image darker and it does it every 15 seconds while I am attempting to take a picture near a bright light.

Either way, my phone does not do this screen justice for how good it looks in person. But it's the best I can do right now to share my experiences with this screen with others.
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Would you be willing/able to set something like a small desklamp (or flashlight in a pinch) on the floor against the wall beneath the screen where it shines up sideways across the screen, then share words (or even pictures) of how dark-colored the Pulsar looks compared to the BD1.4, CineGrey5D, Slate, and MatineeBlack with the projector off and that light as the only strong light hitting them?

Something like this would give me a more apples-to-apples way to follow along at home since DarkEnergy doesn't provide/sell samples anymore, and it sounds like the Pulsar is working great!
Here is a simple request that went unanswered.

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