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Seymour Screen Excellence Trim Motorized Masking Screen

A motorized masking screen is an excellent, but typically costly addition to a home theater. The goal is to frame content to match the native aspect ratio, which for many movies is 2.40:1 but for Tv and some movies is 16:9.

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So...still nowhere near reasonably priced.
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So...still nowhere near reasonably priced.

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That's exactly what I do when I see those prices for masking.
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That's exactly what I do when I see those prices for masking.
If you don't like the price of Seymour's screen, then choose a lower cost screen or build your own.
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If you don't like the price of Seymour's screen, then choose a lower cost screen or build your own.
Well, yeah. That kind of goes without saying.

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So...still nowhere near reasonably priced.
Well I'm doubting you'd be needing a dealer or custom installer, so perhaps the Seymour AV line's Proscenium would fit your budget? http://www.seymourav.com/store.asp It's as close to that Carada pricing that everyone misses so much. The only asterisk for you is that the Enlightor-Neo line is only available through the higher priced CEDIA brand. Maybe check out Seymour AV's Center Stage UF and see if it's fine enough for you and save by going direct?

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I wonder who their target buyers are.
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I love my 180" wide Seymour XD center screen. I have the side panels that stay on with Magnets. To each his own, but I spent $300 for the side panels and it takes me about 20 secs to put them on and off. Spending an extra 3 to 4K to have it done for me, I will pass. Plus I see they do not even make it for my size screen yet haha







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I just installed the Trim 120 scope in my theatre and it is wonderful. The Neo screen material is the best woven AT I’ve ever seen and of course it has none of perf’s issues. I got the motor that allows for multiple stops for the masking so I have perfect AT masking every time at the touch of a button for the ARs I wanted: scope , flat, 1.78 & 2.0. That is something you can’t do with panels! The image just floats in the black no matter what I’m watching. And this screen was less than half the cost of similar quality system from other companies. Those other systems were way out of my price range but I was able to stretch my budget a bit it for the Trim system & I’m glad I did. Best piece of gear in my room. No compromise... Every person who has seen my room in the last three weeks could not stop gushing about the screen!
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Well I'm doubting you'd be needing a dealer or custom installer, so perhaps the Seymour AV line's Proscenium would fit your budget? http://www.seymourav.com/store.asp It's as close to that Carada pricing that everyone misses so much. The only asterisk for you is that the Enlightor-Neo line is only available through the higher priced CEDIA brand. Maybe check out Seymour AV's Center Stage UF and see if it's fine enough for you and save by going direct?

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@chriscmore , this Proscenium line sounds outstanding. Do you offer acoustically transparent masks with these?

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The only option available is acoustically transparent.

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I wonder who their target buyers are.
I'm surprised at these comments.

I've just sent an inquiry to the UK distributor for a price for the 162.5" diagonal 2.40:1 TRIM system.

If the price is reasonable, I'll definitely be a buyer on this. What's not to like? For CIH, this kind of screen is perfect. Combine it with a Control 4 system or some other kind of automation - you have any screen ratio you want with proper black borders.

Also - the masking is acoustically transparent - big plus.
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I love my 180" wide Seymour XD center screen. I have the side panels that stay on with Magnets. To each his own, but I spent $300 for the side panels and it takes me about 20 secs to put them on and off. Spending an extra 3 to 4K to have it done for me, I will pass. Plus I see they do not even make it for my size screen yet haha







Do you use an anamorphic lens? I am surprised you are able to use a 180" wide screen with JVC RS600 which puts out only 1900 lumens. I have RS540 which has similar output and I find it just adequate for my 133" wide screen especially for HDR. BTW, I also have the similar manual masking panels for 16:9 content.

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I just read an article about this masking screen in Widescreen Review I think it was. I really like the design. Too bad it's so expensive. Ive always wanted screen masking too.

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I love my 180" wide Seymour XD center screen. I have the side panels that stay on with Magnets. To each his own, but I spent $300 for the side panels and it takes me about 20 secs to put them on and off. Spending an extra 3 to 4K to have it done for me, I will pass. Plus I see they do not even make it for my size screen yet haha






Exactly.

I would literally have to be a billionaire before I would spend thousands of dollars just to not take a few seconds to put in or take out some panels.

There's a lot of things in this hobby that are worth thousands of dollars, this is not anywhere close to being one of them.

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Exactly.

I would literally have to be a billionaire before I would spend thousands of dollars just to not take a few seconds to put in or take out some panels.

There's a lot of things in this hobby that are worth thousands of dollars, this is not anywhere close to being one of them.

I agree 100%. $300 is batter than 10-20x that or more!


Yes I use a U480 Anamorphic lens. My projector only has to be 16'6" from the screen.(without it would be at 21') That helps out a ton on the RS600 and as big as my screen is. A new bulb pushes the ftL to about 16.5 ish max and as it wears it goes down to about 12.5(ish). I will Keep the RS600 until they make a 2800-3000+ lumen 4K projector that can put out great black levels like the JVC's and keep the cost under 10K. Hopefully a laser that does not degrade like the bulbs do.


The new JVC RS3000 looks great, but at only 2200 lumen for about 15K and I would have to change my Anamorphic lens to a paladin(another 7-8k) and most likely my screen too since the paladin works better with a flat screen, its just not worth it for that type money. I have 2 new bulbs yet for the RS600, so I am good for another 3-4 years

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This is why people learn to do DIY. Building your own motorized masking system costs a few hundred dollars and works just every bit as good. Even having someone else build it for you works and is still thousands less than what these companies charge. I think their use of the word affordable is very relative.
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I think their use of the word affordable is very relative.
To be fair, everyone's use of the the word affordable is relative. ^_^
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This is why people learn to do DIY. Building your own motorized masking system costs a few hundred dollars and works just every bit as good. Even having someone else build it for you works and is still thousands less than what these companies charge. I think their use of the word affordable is very relative.
I want to see a $500 screen that looks and performs as good. If you have a link I am ready to be impressed. As usual, we'll ignore the value of the time spent and concentrate on the end result. I know DIY can be great, but is it that easy really?

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I want to see a $500 screen that looks and performs as good. If you have a link I am ready to be impressed. As usual, we'll ignore the value of the time spent and concentrate on the end result. I know DIY can be great, but is it that easy really?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think there is a $500 screen that looks and performs as good (or maybe there is). The point I was trying to make was that one does not need to break the bank to achieve the same quality and fiunctionality. This is a $5k-10k package being touted as affordable to the masses.
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I want to see a $500 screen that looks and performs as good. If you have a link I am ready to be impressed. As usual, we'll ignore the value of the time spent and concentrate on the end result. I know DIY can be great, but is it that easy really?
I don’t think there is a $500 screen that looks and performs as good (or maybe there is). The point I was trying to make was that one does not need to break the bank to achieve the same quality and fiunctionality. This is a $5k-10k package being touted as affordable to the masses.[/QUOTE]

I personally doubt I'll see a DIY screen that is built as well and to as tight tolerances, and of course that DIY project assumes some serious skills and that you have the time and the money to pursue such an thing, and if you had that time and money, that you'd spend it on a project like this instead of something else. Just sayin'.

Anyhow, it's touted as being less expensive than the previous lowest cost option from the company. There's a difference between that and "affordable to the masses" which is not really a sentence I'd put next to the words "dedicated home theater" anyhow.

Here's an idea: If you have one, provide a link to any DIY motorized masking system that looks as good and is built as well as this. Any link will do, forget the $500 price limit. I just want to see some DIY rigs that match or beat this.

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I don’t think there is a $500 screen that looks and performs as good (or maybe there is). The point I was trying to make was that one does not need to break the bank to achieve the same quality and fiunctionality. This is a $5k-10k package being touted as affordable to the masses.
I personally doubt I'll see a DIY screen that is built as well and to as tight tolerances, and of course that DIY project assumes some serious skills and that you have the time and the money to pursue such an thing, and if you had that time and money, that you'd spend it on a project like this instead of something else. Just sayin'.

Anyhow, it's touted as being less expensive than the previous lowest cost option from the company. There's a difference between that and "affordable to the masses" which is not really a sentence I'd put next to the words "dedicated home theater" anyhow.

Here's an idea: I'f you have one, provide a link to any DIY motorized masking system that looks as good and is built as well as this. Any link will do, forget the $500 price limit. I just want to see some DIY rigs that match or beat this.
LOL - not sure cardboard is AT.

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Not sure that's CIH either. :-P Sure looks like CIW to me. :-)

Kudo's to them though. For $20 I'd say they're getting their money's worth.
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Not sure that's CIH either. :-P Sure looks like CIW to me. :-)

Kudo's to them though. For $20 I'd say they're getting their money's worth.

Yes - that's constant width - your 16:9 is still larger than your scope movies. For the record, a 120" wide native 2.40:1 Seymour Trim masking screen isn't any more expensive ( street price ) than a good quality tab tensioned electric screen.

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Here's an idea: If you have one, provide a link to any DIY motorized masking system that looks as good and is built as well as this. Any link will do, forget the $500 price limit. I just want to see some DIY rigs that match or beat this.
From our own forum, DIY CIH done right: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/174-d...l#post19590305
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Exactly.

I would literally have to be a billionaire before I would spend thousands of dollars just to not take a few seconds to put in or take out some panels.

There's a lot of things in this hobby that are worth thousands of dollars, this is not anywhere close to being one of them.
I think your priorities change depending on how you use your theatre.
I find correct masking absolutely essential to presentation, and my room is a dedicated cinema room but I'm not the only user - I want my family to enjoy it to it's fullest capability by themselves too. We watch a lot of different content sources in a lot of different aspects, which makes mask panels impractical (without even considering having to get up out of the chair every time you want to change them).

I have what I consider the "holy grail" now... I've got an electric mask screen (room is heavily width constrained, so it is a top / bottom masking 16:9 AT screen) with a Lumagen detecting the aspect ratio of the content by analysing the image, and moving the masks automatically. There is something pretty magical about playing Star Trek on Netflix and without any interaction whatsoever the masks coming in to a perfect 2.0 ratio.

When I built this theatre I did actually sacrifice other things so I could (just) get an electric mask screen into the system, and I'm glad I did every time I see those masks draw in.
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