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Hi,

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I found the HG black crystal a hughe improvement over the regular one. If possible I would always choose this one.

In therms of viewing angles I don't really know if they are always accurate (as the given gain value). In general: the smaller the viewing angle, the higher the ambient light rejection capacities.

The smaller the viewing angle, the higher the difference between the middle of the screen and the sides (light reflection speaking). I have a sample of a 90° type fabric, the measured ftl in the middle of the screen and the sides is not funny
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I found the HG black crystal a hughe improvement over the regular one. If possible I would always choose this one.
I have the .8 gain black crystal and in my situation the high gain would be too bright. Currently sitting about 9' from a 92" screen, with a w1070, using a nd2 filter and smart eco is a good amount of light for sdr. For 3d and hdr, however, I think the high gain would be beneficial.

The viewing angles on the .8gain are very good, but the 2.0gain has a 45° half gain doesn't it?

Also the high gain is much more sparkly than the .8 correct? The .8 is just barely acceptable with the artifacts, but I think you need to go up to the si slate, dalite parallax, epv darkstar9 etc for an artifactless alr screen.
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Just wanted to give a shout out to @nielvm for all the info regarding xy screens offerings. I placed an order today for a 138” diagonal screen with the newest soundmax 8K material. Cremer Lee was awesome to work with and sent many photos for me to use in my decision process. Screen is slated to ship on the 8th.
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I have the .8 gain black crystal and in my situation the high gain would be too bright. Currently sitting about 9' from a 92" screen, with a w1070, using a nd2 filter and smart eco is a good amount of light for sdr. For 3d and hdr, however, I think the high gain would be beneficial.



The viewing angles on the .8gain are very good, but the 2.0gain has a 45° half gain doesn't it?



Also the high gain is much more sparkly than the .8 correct? The .8 is just barely acceptable with the artifacts, but I think you need to go up to the si slate, dalite parallax, epv darkstar9 etc for an artifactless alr screen.


The Hg has a few sparkles with highly luminant scenes, but for me it was acceptable. You get a whole lot of extra gain compared to the regular one.
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Just wanted to give a shout out to @nielvm for all the info regarding xy screens offerings. I placed an order today for a 138” diagonal screen with the newest soundmax 8K material. Cremer Lee was awesome to work with and sent many photos for me to use in my decision process. Screen is slated to ship on the 8th.


Soundmax 8k? New to me, sounds interesting.

What’s the difference with the 4K version?
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Soundmax 8k? New to me, sounds interesting.

What’s the difference with the 4K version?
Smoother fabric and more acoustically transparent. It is slightly thinner as well. Oh, and gain remains same per Cremer.
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Smoother fabric and more acoustically transparent. It is slightly thinner as well. Oh, and gain remains same per Cremer.

Interesting. Would be good to see how much 'better' 8K is to the 4K. I am perfectly happy wiht the 4K but if it is even better acoustically I may spend a couple of hundred for the upgrade since I already have the screen frame

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Just wanted to give a shout out to @nielvm for all the info regarding xy screens offerings. I placed an order today for a 138” diagonal screen with the newest soundmax 8K material. Cremer Lee was awesome to work with and sent many photos for me to use in my decision process. Screen is slated to ship on the 8th.
i'm brand new to this, so sorry if this is a stupid question: Where did you order this from? I'm looking for a budget acoustic transparent screen around ~138"inches
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I got my 120" ALR PET Crystal screen from XY-Screen finally set up with my new Vava 4K projector. Thought I'd share some pics on how well the ALR works during daylight in case anyone is interested to see. The first 4 are during daylight with most of my blinds/shutters closed. The last 4 are with the blinds/shutters open.

Of course darker lighting is still the best. But the ALR seems to do a decent job in bright daylight.
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i'm brand new to this, so sorry if this is a stupid question: Where did you order this from? I'm looking for a budget acoustic transparent screen around ~138"inches
PM niel or me and I can give you their email

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years ago I remember having a 106" high power screen with a cheap incfocus projector and that combo threw such a nice picture. of the xyscreens which of the acoustic models comes kind of close to the picture quality of the awesome high power screen?
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The soundmax 5 has the highest gain at about 1.2...
3D Metallic Flexible Fabric MF1: Gain 2.4

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3D Metallic Flexible Fabric MF1: Gain 2.4



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Well, such extremely high gain screens aren’t really suitable for HT use imo...
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Anyone have order from TELON SCREEN (HUIZHOU TELON AUDIO AND VISUAL EQUIPMENT) ? They suppose to have pet crystal screen . . . still waiting for photo. 490$ usd + 170$ usd delivery to canada for 120" screen . . . 1/2 the price of xyscreen !!


They are available on Alibaba under telon screen.

I do have discussion with Maira Ouyang from telon company ... waiting for more info!


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Anyone have order from TELON SCREEN (HUIZHOU TELON AUDIO AND VISUAL EQUIPMENT) ? They suppose to have pet crystal screen . . . still waiting for photo. 490$ usd + 170$ usd delivery to canada for 120" screen . . . 1/2 the price of xyscreen !!





They are available on Alibaba under telon screen.



I do have discussion with Maira Ouyang from telon company ... waiting for more info!





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Did buy finally the pet crystal screen 120” from Telon company for 660$ usd including shipping to Canada instead of 1100$ usd from xyscreen. Hopefully it will be a real lenticular screen (pet screen) and quality is good! It seem to be the company who provided screen for elite screen USA same s***t different name !Click image for larger version

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If it’s the same as Elite I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole


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Soundmax 8k

Recently Xyscreen added the soundmax 8k to their line-up. Thanks to my contact at Xyscreen I got a screen sent to me for review.


General

The soundmax 8k is the successor of the soundmax 4k and has a given gain of 1.0. I noticed instantly that the fabric has a smaller thread, is lighter and allows a tiny bit of stretch. For me, this was the biggest issue with the soundmax 4k, which doesn't allow any stretch and is very hard to get super thight as a DIY-man. In my home theater, I have 3 spots directly above my screen who emphasise every small inaccuracy in the screen. While projecting, I never noticed any flaw though.
With the soundmax 8k, getting the screen super-thight is possible in DIY. I still need to work away some tiny details, but I will definitly get there.

Measurements

My gain measurement is right on the spot compared to the gain given by Xyscreen. The soundmax 4k produced 19ftl, the soundmax 8k is at 17.3. In therms of greyscale, both are very similar.

Acoustically the fabric tends to mute the sound less than the soundmax 4k. When watching the first movie on the screen, it appeared that the center speaker was louder. I made some acoustic measurements to vouch for this impression, but strange enough there appears to be little difference between the two.
Personally I never found these minor differences in acoustically transparant screens important. The difference that's measurable starts at approximately 5khz and IMO is very easily corrected with the adjustement of gain or equalizing.


In therm of sharpness, the soundmax 8k seems a tiny bit better than its predecessor.


Conclusion

With the soundmax 8k, Xyscreen introduces a nice follow-up for the soundmax 4k. For me, the biggest advantage is that the fabric is now slightly stretchable, which allows a DIY screen much easier. Others might find the small improvement of acoustic transparacy more important.




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Trying to decide about a 120 motorized screen. Purchased a vividstorm one from Amazon, but it has waves where i think the rollers are after using it a few times. Maybe return or get a replacement from them. XY motorized tension is about 2x the price, but maybe it is better quality?

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Trying to decide about a 120 motorized screen. Purchased a vividstorm one from Amazon, but it has waves where i think the rollers are after using it a few times. Maybe return or get a replacement from them. XY motorized tension is about 2x the price, but maybe it is better quality?

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What's your projector? And what screen fabric you bought? Why not do with tab tension?
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What's your projector? And what screen fabric you bought? Why not do with tab tension?
It is actually tab-tension, but you can not see it in the photo. I think the rollers are leaving an imprint. It is a Vividscreen 120" motorized 0.8 ALR.

With a lot of ambient light during the day time, would the Dark Crystal HG version be good for my Epson 5040UB? The projector is around 14 feet from the screen.
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XYscreen contact info

Hello,
Could someone PM the me contact information to obtain xyscreen Soundmax 8k material? I'm interested in a 115" (diagonal) 2.35:1 screen. Do they sell a kit to make a fixed frame unit?
I can't PM anyone yet.
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Trying to decide about a 120 motorized screen. Purchased a vividstorm one from Amazon, but it has waves where i think the rollers are after using it a few times. Maybe return or get a replacement from them. XY motorized tension is about 2x the price, but maybe it is better quality?

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i am very interested in a screen like this to match up with the optoma p1 which will be my first projector , sorry that your screen looks so bad
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i am very interested in a screen like this to match up with the optoma p1 which will be my first projector , sorry that your screen looks so bad
optoma p1 very new and great ust projector! you can try the XY PET Crystal.
PET Crystal is a special fabric with sawtooth structure on surface, it can avoid 93% natural light and environment light, to present the real image color.
Unlike traditional screen, this screen can present image under bright light. It has removed foggy phenomenon, providing bright, vivid and perfect images.
With 0.8 Gain and 160 degree Visual angle, then audience can see clearly and vivid image in all directions.
It is the best screen for ultra-short throw projector.
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Did receive my Telon screen sawtooth structure. Pet crystal

Screen made in thaiwan and frame in China sold as a package from Telon for 490$ + shipping !

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I did not bought yet the projector ....waiting for price drop before Christmas time for wemax A300

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My first impression is overall built quality seem to be very good.

Shipping box is smaller than xyscreen 5 feet long so less expensive for shipping.

Top and bottom extrusions made with 2 parts ....overall rigidity is still very good.

Velour contour “finish trim” is screw instead of clipped like the xyscreen.

Screen specification here : https://en.iftc.com.tw/cbsp.html

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Soundmax 8kThe soundmax 8k is the successor of the soundmax 4k and has a given gain of 1.0.
Chers for the impressions, nielvm. And good thread!

Quick question re. gain. The 4k sounds a little brighter - have you noticed any difference between it and the new 8k re. sheen, sparkling and visible weave? I'm after an AT screen and, while I want decent audio, am more into the video side of things. Up to now Seymour XD has been the main contender due to it's reported gain of 0.9. I'm basically after a material that will let me go as large as possible at ~12ft viewing distance with no sheen and visible weave.

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I recently received samples of all of XY's acoustically transparent screen material for comparison to my current Elite screen. Here are my thoughts:
  • The Soundmax 4k and 8k have tighter weaves than the Elite.
  • Color appears near identical when viewing actual content.
  • Both XY materials seem to have slightly higher gain than the elite. We're talking maybe 5% here.
  • The weave pattern on the 8k is very strange. It's not just a tighter version of the 4k, but is a different pattern.
  • The pattern on the 8k is visible on light-colored content from my seating position ~10.5' away, though you have to really try to look for it
  • The weave on the 4k disappears after a couple feet, similar to the Elite

Overall, I found the Soundmax 4k to be a more pleasant looking material than the 8k.
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Quick question re. gain. The 4k sounds a little brighter - have you noticed any difference between it and the new 8k re. sheen, sparkling and visible weave? I'm after an AT screen and, while I want decent audio, am more into the video side of things. Up to now Seymour XD has been the main contender due to it's reported gain of 0.9. I'm basically after a material that will let me go as large as possible at ~12ft viewing distance with no sheen and visible weave.


My seating distabce is about 12ft with a screen size of about 120”. I can’t see the weave or texture of any kind on any of the fabrics...


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