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I have to say that the Black Crystal .9 seemed much better to me than the .8 version. However I couldn't get over the overall darkness of the image?
Whats the .9 material like? can you get a good close up photo?

But yes the .8 does need more light. If the 0.8 gain rating is directly onaxis then a more average rating for the whole screen is probably 0.6 gain. Once you hit it with more light the its bright and without another material for direct comparison whites look nice and white
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Whats the .9 material like? can you get a good close up photo?

But yes the .8 does need more light. If the 0.8 gain rating is directly onaxis then a more average rating for the whole screen is probably 0.6 gain. Once you hit it with more light the its bright and without another material for direct comparison whites look nice and white
If you have materials next to each other, you can tell the .9 is just ever so slightly lighter in color but once the image is projected on them, the .9 is a decent amount lighter while also holding the blacks just as well as the .8. Same viewing angle between the two as well. Still not sure what direction I'll go for screen material but I did appreciate that their screens didn't tint the colors hardly at all. Lower gain and brightness of course, but there wasn't a skew in colors of the whites or primary colors. That was true across the MF1, Black Crystal and HG.
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Still not sure what direction I'll go for screen material
I believe the have another long throw material with 1.7 gain and 160degree viewing angle.

https://m.alibaba.com/product/62200087298/XY-Screen-120-inch-High-Gain.html

Did the 0.9 material have similar or less sparkle? what throw distance were you using?
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Still not sure what direction I'll go for screen material
I believe the have another long throw material with 1.7 gain and 160degree viewing angle.

https://m.alibaba.com/product/622000...High-Gain.html

Did the 0.9 material have similar or less sparkle? what throw distance were you using?
I had the 1.7 X3 HG on hand, not the black crystal HG. I am projecting from 13 feet away. Texture is same on the .9 to my eyes
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I had the 1.7 X3 HG on hand, not the black crystal HG.
Hows this material?

I am projecting from 13 feet away. Texture is same on the .9 to my eyes[/QUOTE]
hows hotspotting at that distance?
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I had the 1.7 X3 HG on hand, not the black crystal HG.
Hows this material?

I am projecting from 13 feet away. Texture is same on the .9 to my eyes
hows hotspotting at that distance?[/QUOTE]

This is the one that was super bright and likely higher than 1.7 gain. The viewing angle was terrible. I can't speak to hot spotting since I'm working with sample sizes.
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hows hotspotting at that distance?
This is the one that was super bright and likely higher than 1.7 gain. The viewing angle was terrible. I can't speak to hot spotting since I'm working with sample sizes.[/QUOTE]

From where did you et a sample? Amy more observations would be appreciated. The narrow viewing angle seems to indicate either retroreflective or fresnel?

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From where did you et a sample? Amy more observations would be appreciated. The narrow viewing angle seems to indicate either retroreflective or fresnel?

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The material is stiff and not like normal vinyl or fabric. Very retroreflective. I paid $35 for the samples and worked with one of their sales reps on WhatsApp
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Anyone have any experience or feedback on XY's WG1-Pro 4K material?

That's what I've been quoted, but wondering if it'll be a good fit for my setup.
In-ceiling tab tension screen with an Epson HC 3800 located 15' away and viewing area around 13.5 to 14' away. The screen sits in front of several large windows, and I'll be managing the light with shades.
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To be clear, retroreflective has a very specific meaning when applied to video screens. A retroreflective screen reflects any light hitting it directly back at the source. That means it reflects image light from the projector 180 degrees back at the projector as well as any ambient light 180 degrees back at each ambient light source. There are very few examples of true retroreflective screen material available anywhere.
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Did anyone have a chance to compare the Vivid Storm 0.8 gain ALR for standard throw with XY screen Black Crystal 0.8 gain standard throw? I wonder if they are exactly the same material.
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Did anyone have a chance to compare the Vivid Storm 0.8 gain ALR for standard throw with XY screen Black Crystal 0.8 gain standard throw? I wonder if they are exactly the same material.
Same

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Are you happy with your Vivid Storm screen? Is there any difference than say using a white screen? I am a little bit worried that during nighttime viewing HDR won’t be great due to low gain.
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Are you happy with your Vivid Storm screen? Is there any difference than say using a white screen? I am a little bit worried that during nighttime viewing HDR won’t be great due to low gain.
I wrote a review on Amazon, probably the most recent one. I had a wrinkle but with movies you cant really tell. They gave me half off, then a few weeks later they gave me half off again.

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I wrote a review on Amazon, probably the most recent one. I had a wrinkle but with movies you cant really tell. They gave me half off, then a few weeks later they gave me half off again.

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Do you use any horizontal lens shift? I was wondering how this screen would behave if the projector is not completely centered.
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Do you use any horizontal lens shift? I was wondering how this screen would behave if the projector is not completely centered.
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I was wondering how this screen would behave if the projector is not completely centered.
This fabric is angular type ALR. It means it reflects the light at the same angle it hits the screen.

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This fabric is angular type ALR. It means it reflects the light at the same angle it hits the screen.

Isn't this how light behaves normally when it hits a flat surface? Are they simply super flat materials?
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Isn't this how light behaves normally when it hits a flat surface? Are they simply super flat materials?
Non ALR fabrics, matte fabrics, diffuse light at ~160 degrees angle.



Angular type ALR are like a mirror, the light will hit the surface at one angle and send it back at the same angle, in the opposite way. The user must be in the way of that reflected light beam. If they are not and they look at the screen, the image will seem dimmer.
Which is why some angular ALR's have a lower viewing angle.

The same happens with ambient light, if light comes from above, it gets reflected towards the ground. If it's from the right, it gets send to the left.
If the light is the projector beam in front of the screen, it gets sent back at the same angle.
If there is another light from the same direction as the projector, that will be send back towards the area of the projector/viewer as well.

The projector must be placed in such a way that the reflected beam of light reaches the viewer's position.
It cannot be too close, or the angle that the light will reflect will be too high.

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The narrow viewing angle seems to indicate either retroreflective or fresnel?

Not necessarily; all types of high gain screens have narrow viewing angles.

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Not necessarily; all types of high gain screens have narrow viewing angles.
You are correct. The adjective "terrible" prompted my question.

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My screen is in California waiting to clear customs. Can't wait to get it and tell everyone how it is.
Did you get your screen? How'd it turn out?
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Did you get your screen? How'd it turn out?
It's actually still in customs, apparently.

Does anyone have any other good contacts at XY or the logistics company they use in the USA?

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It's actually still in customs, apparently.

Does anyone have any other good contacts at XY or the logistics company they use in the USA?
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I've just received my Benq w1720 screen and i've been in contact with someone over at XYscreen
Thing is the person isnt that helpful..

The projector is 4k and pretty bright or at least i think so ?? how could i be sure ?..
I think i want to avoid ALR i mostly watch stuff at night and can control the light coming from any place.
The wall are wood and doesnt reflect too much light (i will deal with the light reflecting to the wood ceiling..

So i thought about getting a nice screen material with a 1.0 gain from them but the website is pretty bad to scroll throught.

Any ideas what i should get from XY ?
4k screen white with a 1.0 gain ?
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