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post #31 of 53 Old 02-19-2020, 08:45 PM
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He already bought the screen so gonna have to see. But if its the bc0.8 it has an 80⁰ half gain whereas the cine3d is 40⁰ so the image should be more uniform. The bc0.8 is a much darker material as well and improves black level. darker than a 0.5 gain gray. It needs lights off ut does fight cross reflections well.
If lightning/ambient light is properly controlled a matte grey can work, but op mentioned room can be very dark, light controlled by blinds. Purpose is movies. That's why I suggested a white screen.

The projector model, UHD50x, is a poor expensive choice for this purpose.

I'm curios on how bad the screen will artifact at 1.27x.
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Ill send a video once i get it all setup . I hope its not loud thats the main reason i didnt purchase the lg hu85la as its got coil whine. The main purpose of this projector was gaming and movies. As long as its better then my 82 inch nu8000 ill be happy
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Ill send a video once i get it all setup . I hope its not loud thats the main reason i didnt purchase the lg hu85la as its got coil whine. The main purpose of this projector was gaming and movies. As long as its better then my 82 inch nu8000 ill be happy
Not sure what kind of gaming, which is the only advantage the UHD50x has, but cheaper models could have been Epson TW7100 (HC3800) or TW9400 (6050UB) which can do up to 114" from 340cm. These models are 3LCD which are not as good for motion handling as DLP, but are still ok. They can do mid 20ms lag, but only up to 60Hz.

Depending on what types of games, if 60Hz is acceptable, then the TW9400 is a better choice overall. The TW7100 and TW9400 are also significantly brighter than the UHD50x.
The TW9400 can have better blacks, but it requires some room treatment to fully take advantage of them. It will also have the best picture quality of the models mentioned here.

The UHD50x is new projector model with a new TI chip that does not have any reviews. Not to mention very expensive for what it is. It's likely newer models will come out at lower prices, maybe with a laser source.

Until this happens an 1080p 120Hz model that can accept a 4K signal, and game with ~8ms lag. Like the Optoma HD1080HDR or HD39HDR or HD27HDR.
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Ill send a video once i get it all setup . I hope its not loud thats the main reason i didnt purchase the lg hu85la as its got coil whine. The main purpose of this projector was gaming and movies. As long as its better then my 82 inch nu8000 ill be happy
I don't think I've heard of a color wheel being as loud as the 30A power supplies for the solid state diodes. I keep my projectors on wide shelves overhead so I don't hear them(2 led projectors). But it is an 8x wheel which spins very fast. 10k+rpms. at 240hz that's a 1920hz color frequency? HAH O.o

So compared to the nu8000 I'll be suprised if motion doesnt blow you away. DLP is plasma/crt motion performance. Contrast though... Maybe with it's dynamic black and the screen youll have comparable contrast to the VA panel. But really the motion performance, you're talking 0.01ms black to white vs 13ms on the nu8000. I'm really curious about flicker with this projector, the rgbwrgbw wheel and the high refresh rate... It should look very solid and smooth

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If lightning/ambient light is properly controlled a matte grey can work, but op mentioned room can be very dark, light controlled by blinds. Purpose is movies. That's why I suggested a white screen.
He said white walls

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The projector model, UHD50x, is a poor expensive choice for this purpose.
Oh I dont know... this projector does something very interesting that other projectors don't do. Should be free of rainbows and flicker.

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These models are 3LCD which are not as good for motion handling as DLP, but are still ok.
Comparatively analog driven liquid crystal is usually at best 10ms black to white and has trouble with overshooting, which causes bright ghosting in motion of dark scenes. Big big difference vs dlp
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On my nu8000 i see black trails on a white backround which annoys me when watch action movies like gemini man
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Ill send a video once i get it all setup . I hope its not loud thats the main reason i didnt purchase the lg hu85la as its got coil whine. The main purpose of this projector was gaming and movies. As long as its better then my 82 inch nu8000 ill be happy
No whine that I can detect with mine and the fan is no louder than the rear projection set that it replaced. And no cool down cycle. When you turn it off, it's completely off, fan and all, in literally just seconds.
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Was very close to getting the lg hu85la but the input lag and the reviews of the coil whine scared me off lol
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Ill send a video once i get it all setup . I hope its not loud thats the main reason i didnt purchase the lg hu85la as its got coil whine. The main purpose of this projector was gaming and movies. As long as its better then my 82 inch nu8000 ill be happy
That would be great.

This setup, small room with white walls and a somewhat budget projector is common. Improving black level and fighting off reflections and ambient light is required, at least the last part. ALR screens require some throw ratio that in many cases it's not possible so visual artifacting occurs.
It would be interesting to see what this setup looks like.
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Was very close to getting the lg hu85la but the input lag and the reviews of the coil whine scared me off lol
If you play video games, the lag on any of the “regular” picture profile settings(especially expert) made games 100% unplayable. It felt like you were a beat behind everything going on around you. Like if you were driving a car and you saw someone stoping in front of you, so you hit the brakes, but you’ve already rear-ended the other car. But, once you switch picture profiles to Game, it is literally a night & day difference.

But none of that matters if you’ve already purchased something else. Just don’t want other people “scared off” for no real reason.
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On the issue of audible sounds from a projector, there can be variation from unit to unit due to production variances. Also, different people are more or less sensitive to specific sound pitches than others, so sounds that one person finds annoying in one projector will not always apply to different people with different production units.
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Yeah thats the reason i returned 3 plasmas back in the day. They always had some sort of buzzing or humming that was so distracting. This will be my first projector ever and hope its not too loud. I got high ceilings 2.8 meters high so it will be celing mounted and not too close.
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On the issue of audible sounds from a projector, there can be variation from unit to unit due to production variances. Also, different people are more or less sensitive to specific sound pitches than others, so sounds that one person finds annoying in one projector will not always apply to different people with different production units.
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Yeah thats the reason i returned 3 plasmas back in the day. They always had some sort of buzzing or humming that was so distracting. This will be my first projector ever and hope its not too loud. I got high ceilings 2.8 meters high so it will be celing mounted and not too close.
I agree. My girlfriend is a paramedic and has been exposed to sirens pretty much her entire adult life and as such, I believe she has hearing damage that has negatively effected her high frequency perception and in turn, she is way more in-tune to(only hears) low freq's and as such really dislikes almost any kind of bass/always thinks I have the bass turned up way too much. And on the other hand, I'm very sensitive to high frequency sounds, even though I'm pretty sure I've suffered hearing damage being around race cars for the last 22+ years(I've ALWAYS worn hearing protection) and easily lose human voices, now. I can also easily hear the hum/buzz of noisy transformers, etc. in TV's and other electronic devices, especially CRT's back in the day. Maybe I just got one of the "good" ones(projector), because all I hear is the fan and it's pretty low pitched. With the volume muted or really low, you most definitely hear it, but it's at such a pitch, it's not annoying/distracting(as I said, it seems about the same as the rear proj. that preceded it) and listening at any sort of real volume level, it disappears.
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Ill most probably get the next gen UST laser projectors if they do come with native 4k chips and an amazing game mode.
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Just got the ok from wife to colour the walls and ceilings . Anyone recommend a good colour. Can get anti reflective matte grey paint.
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Just got the projector today. Ive been playing around with it on a white wall and have to say from what ive seen so far im never going back to a tv again. Its the motion that has fully converted me. The picture will most likely get even better when my screen comes.
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Just got it setup and i have a few issues with the projector over shooting the image and producing a white border.
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Just got it setup and i have a few issues with the projector over shooting the image and producing a white border.
does your projector not have a zoom to adjust size? either that or the mask feature should correct that. honestly after looking a second time I have no idea what that white border is.

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I read that all projectors with that ti chip have this problem. Painting the wall behind the screen might help abit
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I read that all projectors with that ti chip have this problem. Painting the wall behind the screen might help abit
Better to use some velvet than paint
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What do you do with the black velvet . Do you hang it like curtains
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What do you do with the black velvet . Do you hang it like curtains
Sure, or just extend your frame with 4 rectangles stapled to the wall. Look for "triple velvet" as thatll probably have the best light absorption to cost ratio
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What do you do with the black velvet . Do you hang it like curtains
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Sure, or just extend your frame with 4 rectangles stapled to the wall. Look for "triple velvet" as thatll probably have the best light absorption to cost ratio

The real deal...............

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