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Now a days you get news channels like CNN and BBC where the reporter would stand in front of a 150" touch screen to deliver their daily news. Its just a matter of time I guess before those same screens will be installed at homes. But I think the flexible rollable type screens would be more viable as they can be easily delivered in a small package.
Are you serious?!?! 150" screens? <Facepalm until I knock myself out...> those "screens" that take up the entire background on a news/weathercast are green screens with capacitive layer over them.
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My dad would be 104 this year if he was alive and I wish he could have seen my projector setup. He would have sat and watched it for days. I often think about that with these matters of time discussions.
You're absolutely right. All the old farts (75+) who visit us are able to sit in our theater for hours and hours... and fall asleep in the reclining theater seats. But I chalk that up to their age and relative accustomed sedentary lifestyle more than just tech wonder.
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The future is cheap head mount displays.

Fully immersive and won't cost thousands, they will fill your field of veiw for a fraction of the price. 4k or 8k tiny screens in front of your eyes will be way more economical than trying to do anything wall size.

You can watch them from any position almost anywhere. Laying down, in the bathtub, on your treadmill... whatever.
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The future is cheap head mount displays.

Fully immersive and won't cost thousands, they will fill your field of veiw for a fraction of the price. 4k or 8k tiny screens in front of your eyes will be way more economical than trying to do anything wall size.

You can watch them from any position almost anywhere. Laying down, in the bathtub, on your treadmill... whatever.
That will be great for when friends come over to watch a movie with you. No more distractions, ear buds can cut out extraneous noise and comments while watching. It will be just like watching alone.
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OK forget about the term 'obsolete'. Projectors will always have its place in media projection, but damn! feast on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imIrem-9hEc
I know. I've seen similar walls from AOTO, Leyard, Sony (CLEDIS) etc that are 150, 200 and up to like 300 inches or so... they cost millions. perfect blacks. infinite contrast. well over 1000 nits brightness. Sounds perfect.

Still there are some that would take a Dolby projector over that...


I can't say I can judge the picture quality of the best vs the best, but 145" is absolutely tiny for a cinema, you'd need a display that's about 16 times larger than that!

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One thing is certain about the future, it will continue to provide countless examples of people on the Internet proclaiming what their silly idea of the future will be.
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One thing is certain about the future, it will continue to provide countless examples of people on the Internet proclaiming what their silly idea of the future will be.
In the future there will be no internet.
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Are you serious?!?! 150" screens? <Facepalm until I knock myself out...> those "screens" that take up the entire background on a news/weathercast are green screens with capacitive layer over them.
I see. Thanks for the explanation. Honestly I wouldn't have known. All I saw is a big screen behind the presenter and it looks alot like a big QLED screen. I don't think this is info most people would know.
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In the future there will be no internet.
In the future we will be living in the Matrix.
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I think someone around here was trying to do the above/below cc, but Ellebob is correct.

JBL did three speakers above a screen at Cedia. It worked really well. I think Floyd Toole said this would be the best option with a solid screen.
I saw avengers at the winetka theater in Chatsworth, CA that had the Samsung LED wall as the screen, the Atmos effects were mitigated by the speaker placement and even with speakers above and below the screen, the "bed channels" seemed high up, and would need correction to bring them down quite a bit.

It came across as though all the theater had were in ceiling speakers.

Its going to be interesting though as direct view led panels of that size will be able to handle HDR so much better. But we are a long way off from a reasonable cost.
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The future is no single technology that appeals to a small group of rabid enthusiasts who imagine everyone else is just like them. The future is an increasing variety of options to suit many different personal preferences.
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Not in out lifetime, but yes... I could envision LCD like, LED lit perforated affordable drywall in 3 different panel/transducer sizes.

Entire home walls themeable and possibly even "boring" because the next generation will be too infatuated with 3D space holligraphic social interaction. "Coming soon!: 4D real-time 96% accurate active scent collector with instant millisecond replication"

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I said this over 4yrs ago on this very forum and was told I was crazy and how these bigger TVs will always be prohibitively expensive.

Now I say someone would have to be crazy to think there is a market for projectors in say the next 5 years. That is just all round archaic technology at this point, no matter how its implemented.

My first Projector and screen was an optoma HD20 paired to a 100" electric screen. At the time I spent in excess of $2500. Buying the projector, screen, AVR soundbar and sub, mounting equipment and shipping. And I would probably have been considered as the budget minded type. Exactly 17 months into having that projector the bulb died on me and had t be replaced. For whatever reason the new bulb lasted only about 5 months.

Now I can buy an 85" 4k HDR TV for around $3500???? I'm currently using a 55" 4k HDR TV that I bought for $700 and my next TV purchase will be in 2021..... I am pretty sure then I will be able t et a 90"+ TV for under $2000.
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I said this over 4yrs ago on this very forum and was told I was crazy and how these bigger TVs will always be prohibitively expensive.

Now I say someone would have to be crazy to think there is a market for projectors in say the next 5 years. That is just all round archaic technology at this point, no matter how its implemented.

My first Projector and screen was an optoma HD20 paired to a 100" electric screen. At the time I spent in excess of $2500. Buying the projector, screen, AVR soundbar and sub, mounting equipment and shipping. And I would probably have been considered as the budget minded type. Exactly 17 months into having that projector the bulb died on me and had t be replaced. For whatever reason the new bulb lasted only about 5 months.

Now I can buy an 85" 4k HDR TV for around $3500???? I'm currently using a 55" 4k HDR TV that I bought for $700 and my next TV purchase will be in 2021..... I am pretty sure then I will be able t et a 90"+ TV for under $2000.
Crazy or silly ideas and dreams are good as long as they are not detrimental to the human kind. If Steve Job didn't have a crazy idea about the iphone we would not have the current batch of crazy and whacky phones (Wasn't people laughing at his idea). Now chinese manufacturer has produced a foldable cell phone. Samsung made a phone that works as a PC albeit using Android. All you need to do is connect the phone to a monitor in the office (or projector for that matter) and voila! you have a working pc. One day the phone will become so powerful (as powerful as a current batch of intel or AMD CPU) that we will be carrying our pc around and work from anywhere there is a monitor to connect to.
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The future is holographic video projectors. Startingly realistic 3D images will come alive right in the middle of your room with no screen needed. Recycling centers will be overwhelmed by billions of obsolete TVs suddenly being dumped.
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The real future is everyone will have a direct link to the brain, you won't even need eye's or ears. You will think you are really there with full senses of the artificial reality or even true recorded senses form someone that actually experienced the event. The porn industry will rule the world.
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No, no, no, you guys have it all wrong. In the future our binary overlords will get tired of watching reruns of human kind. So they will just boot a different simulation of a different species on the mainframe we are currently living in.
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The real future is everyone will have a direct link to the brain, you won't even need eye's or ears. You will think you are really there with full senses of the artificial reality or even true recorded senses form someone that actually experienced the event. The porn industry will rule the world.
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Not sure if this is the place to post this but remember many years ago home video fans were making homemade 35mm adapter fitted to their fullhd home video camera to have that film look? Even the professional equipment makers were on board selling their professionally made equipment for thousands of dollars. It wasn't long before Canon and Nikon started adding video capabilities into their still cameras and the 35mm adapter business was hugely affected. suddenly people aren't interested in the 35mm adapters anymore. At least I lost the interest completely as I bought myself a Canon 5D mark II.

Now we have affordable 4K projectors and large screens to go with it. We also have enthusiast/business owner trying to make the best screens out of specially produced paint and fabrics to improve image contrast. I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing large format LED or Oled screens being sold in the mass market for home theaters and take the projectors completely out of the equation. Probably and hopefully not too long. At the moment we are seeing Samsung producing the Onyx to replace screens and projection in movie theaters. And Samsung is currently working on a home cinema version of the Onyx. Can't wait for the new technology to arrive and we can all worry about something else.

Anyone else looking forward to this?? Are we there yet??
With very bright battery-powered pico projectors like some of the AAXA models that outperform a 100-pound CRT projector (in both brightness & resolution at same image size) in a sub-1-pound package ..... NO

Projectors will become cheaper and more portable. With the incredible leaps of LED efficiency in projector light sources, I'm constantly amazed at the rapid pace of several pico projectors from wimpy light eyedroppers to actually light-cannons-on-batteries. Some models are finally reaching the high 3-digit, almost 4-digit lumens on battery!

Camping with my 1-pound battery-powered lightcannon brightly streaming Netflix over LTE to the side of the tent... Or a canvas hanging from a beach umbrella after beautiful sunset. Priceless!

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With very bright battery-powered pico projectors like some of the AAXA models that outperform a 100-pound CRT projector (in both brightness & resolution at same image size) in a sub-1-pound package ..... NO

Projectors will become cheaper and more portable. With the incredible leaps of LED efficiency in projector light sources, I'm constantly amazed at the rapid pace of several pico projectors from wimpy light eyedroppers to actually light-cannons-on-batteries. Some models are finally reaching the high 3-digit, almost 4-digit lumens on battery!

Camping with my 1-pound battery-powered lightcannon brightly streaming Netflix over LTE to the side of the tent... Or a canvas hanging from a beach umbrella after beautiful sunset. Priceless!
Without real blacks I don't give a "#%"¤# about brightnes and resolution!
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Without real blacks I don't give a "#%"¤# about brightnes and resolution!
In my home theater, I can agree. But outdoor movie night in front of a fire is ten times better for me than watching a movie indoors. My projector has a quick dismount so I can bring it outside whenever I like. I connect it to an old portable DVD player with a yellow composite video cable, and our guests always ooh and ahh at the amazing picture. When you park it next to a fire with a cold beer in your hand, everything seems perfect.
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rdcollns, sorry, but that's so far from anything I could ever do that I can't even begin to fathom it! I want the best possible picture and sound quality without ANYTHING that can disturb the movie experience. The only reason the walls and ceiling in half the living room in my cabin isn't painted matte black (or matte deep red like the HT in my previous house, that works just as well) is my wife. But I have black curtains that cover the wall where the screen is. And I'm considering a solution to pull some kind of a cover over the ceiling as well, it's just rather technically diffiult.

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Crazy or silly ideas and dreams are good as long as they are not detrimental to the human kind. If Steve Job didn't have a crazy idea about the iphone we would not have the current batch of crazy and whacky phones (Wasn't people laughing at his idea). Now chinese manufacturer has produced a foldable cell phone. Samsung made a phone that works as a PC albeit using Android. All you need to do is connect the phone to a monitor in the office (or projector for that matter) and voila! you have a working pc. One day the phone will become so powerful (as powerful as a current batch of intel or AMD CPU) that we will be carrying our pc around and work from anywhere there is a monitor to connect to.
I don't want to blow your mind or anything, but I had a Motorola Razr flip phone in 2004, my current phone has Microsoft Office, and today's phones contain processors (with both CPU and GPU, mind you) that are far more powerful and efficient than the processors of, say, 15 years ago.
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today's phones contain processors (with both CPU and GPU, mind you) that are far more powerful and efficient than the processors of, say, 15 years ago.
Which means that they are around schedule. I have said for a while that before 2025 the phone and a docking station will be all we need because the Pentium will by then work in a phone. Consider the Microsoft Surface, that would have been impossible ten years ago. At the moment I'm using an S9 plus a Surface Pro (getting a Surface pro 6 with an i7 next week), and I think that's the only two devices I'll need for the next three to four years, so I'll have to swap once more before being in "one device heaven".

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