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Used to be that the Seymour Center Stage UF was the best AT material to get / screen to buy if you are rolling your own...

I don't have a problem building a screen frame, but would also consider buying... looking at about 110" size give or take...

what options should I be looking at that I may have missed? I'll gladly spend less, but would need to be convinced to spend more...

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Used to be that the Seymour Center Stage UF was the best AT material to get / screen to buy if you are rolling your own...



I don't have a problem building a screen frame, but would also consider buying... looking at about 110" size give or take...



what options should I be looking at that I may have missed? I'll gladly spend less, but would need to be convinced to spend more...
I know quite a few people like this material

https://avscience.com/dreamscreen/

People still love the Seymour Screen UF. They also now offer Center Stage XD which many videophiles feel improved upon the UF. I would check it out as well, depending upon your seating distance, seating angle and room conditions.

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Used to be that the Seymour Center Stage UF was the best AT material to get / screen to buy if you are rolling your own...



I don't have a problem building a screen frame, but would also consider buying... looking at about 110" size give or take...



what options should I be looking at that I may have missed? I'll gladly spend less, but would need to be convinced to spend more...
Your best bet is spandex white over black on a poplar frame. Cheap and good.

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Your best bet is spandex white over black on a poplar frame. Cheap and good.

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Spandex screens are a nice budget option. They do not provide the same image quality as an actual AT Screen, no offense. I am sure you really maxed out your budget.

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Spandex screens are a nice budget option. They do not provide the same image quality as an actual AT Screen, no offense. I am sure you really maxed out your budget.

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That's not true. Is it your opinion or a fact?
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That's not true. Is it your opinion or a fact?
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Not really trying to start anything but measurements aren't an opinion. Several calibrators have measured lumens, color accuracy, etc of spandex screens versus actual screens. But I understand you have your opinion and feel strongly about it. Tagging another forum member who has very strong opinions about it won't make a spandex screen produce more lumens or be any more accurate color wise. Have you ever set up a spandex screen side by side with an actual AT screen? Just curious.

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Not really trying to start anything but measurements aren't an opinion. Several calibrators have measured lumens, color accuracy, etc of spandex screens versus actual screens. But I understand you have your opinion and feel strongly about it. Tagging another forum member who has very strong opinions about it won't make a spandex screen produce more lumens or be any more accurate color wise. Have you ever set up a spandex screen side by side with an actual AT screen? Just curious.

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Again you are just quoting your own opinions without assembling any facts. The experience with spandex as an at fabric is amazing atleast personally speaking. I have tagged another member who usually cites good stats on this so that we can stick to facts.

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Again you are just quoting your own opinions without assembling any facts. The experience with spandex as an at fabric is amazing atleast personally speaking. I have tagged another member who usually cites good stats on this so that we can stick to facts.

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Enjoy your spandex screen . I am sure you love it or you would not have put it in your theater. Spandex is very important to stretch perfectly and even then you can have some visible lines . As stated it is a great option for DIY theater on a budget. If the OP wants a spandex screen I am sure he will state that. Let's not derail his thread with your enthusiasm for spandex.

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Enjoy your spandex screen . I am sure you love it or you would not have put it in your theater. Spandex is very important to stretch perfectly and even then you can have some visible lines . As stated it is a great option for DIY theater on a budget. If the OP wants a spandex screen I am sure he will state that. Let's not derail his thread with your enthusiasm for spandex.

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Again please stick to facts. Don't derail this thread with your prejudice against spandex. The OP said "I'll gladly spend less" and I am helping him do that. If you have something valuable to share that is based on facts rather than your own conjecture post the same so that you are adding value to the discussion. Else it's just a moot point.

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I’m aware of the spandex screens.

Not terribly interested to be honest. I don’t even think it’s that much cheaper since you need 2 layers. Looking at Seymour’s site, I can get enough UF material to do a 100-110 inch screen for less than $150.

I’d prefer to spend more if it’s easier to assemble/better quality image. I’ll be sitting 9-11 feet away. That’s what scared me about Center Stage XD. It mentions that you should be 10+ feet or you might see weave.

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Again please stick to facts. Don't derail this thread with your prejudice against spandex. The OP said "I'll gladly spend less" and I am helping him do that. If you have something valuable to share that is based on facts rather than your own conjecture post the same so that you are adding value to the discussion. Else it's just a moot point.

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You keep asking me to state facts but you have yet to state one. You are hoping another forum member can back up your opinion with facts. Spandex has an advantage over AT by not attenuating certain sound frequencies. Many AT screens do not require equalization as long as you follow the screen recommended distance from speaker installation guidelines. Spandex screens have a screen gain of .8 at best if installed properly. In a velvet blacked out environment that might work. Many people are not going to do that. Any ambient light or reflected light will certainly reduce the brightness of the image and wash out the image. Your choice of projectors is limited to projectors with 2500 lumens or more depending upon screen size, room conditions, viewing angle and throw distance when using a spandex screen. Most people would prefer more flexibility, such as having lights on in the room sometimes. Projectors in general have a difficult time with HDR content. Using a screen with a gain of .8 or lower isn't really helping HDR performance.

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I’m aware of the spandex screens.



Not terribly interested to be honest. I don’t even think it’s that much cheaper since you need 2 layers. Looking at Seymour’s site, I can get enough UF material to do a 100-110 inch screen for less than $150.



I’d prefer to spend more if it’s easier to assemble/better quality image. I’ll be sitting 9-11 feet away. That’s what scared me about Center Stage XD. It mentions that you should be 10+ feet or you might see weave.
Chris and all the guys over at Seymour are helpful and honest. I would give them a call and see what their thoughts are about your seating distance concerns.

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I’m aware of the spandex screens.



Not terribly interested to be honest. I don’t even think it’s that much cheaper since you need 2 layers. Looking at Seymour’s site, I can get enough UF material to do a 100-110 inch screen for less than $150.



I’d prefer to spend more if it’s easier to assemble/better quality image. I’ll be sitting 9-11 feet away. That’s what scared me about Center Stage XD. It mentions that you should be 10+ feet or you might see weave.
If you want to throw your money it's up to you. I gave you an opinion of something that is really amazing and cost effective since you said you wanted to save money. I sit at less than 9 feet and don't see any weave pattern. Perhaps you may have limitations in DiYing it in which case do go for a manufactured screen. And I am not sure where you are pulling cost numbers from. The spandex two layers for my screen plus side panels was around $60.

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You keep asking me to state facts but you have yet to state one. You are hoping another forum member can back up your opinion with facts. Spandex has an advantage over AT by not attenuating certain sound frequencies. Many AT screens do not require equalization as long as you follow the screen recommended distance from speaker installation guidelines. Spandex screens have a screen gain of .8 at best if installed properly. In a velvet blacked out environment that might work. Many people are not going to do that. Any ambient light or reflected light will certainly reduce the brightness of the image and wash out the image. Your choice of projectors is limited to projectors with 2500 lumens or more depending upon screen size, room conditions, viewing angle and throw distance when using a spandex screen. Most people would prefer more flexibility, such as having lights on in the room sometimes. Projectors in general have a difficult time with HDR content. Using a screen with a gain of .8 or lower isn't really helping HDR performance.

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In my light controlled room with an Epson 3800 and JBLs standing behind the screen the image and sound characteristics are awesome. If someone wants to throw away money chasing a performance that is perhaps fictional at best then that's up to them. I gave my input based on OPs initial request that he wanted to same some money.

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Please explain why the OP would be throwing money away by choosing a DIY AT screen over a spandex screen. In what specific areas of image quality does the spandex screen outperform a Seymour XD or Seymour UF AT screen?

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Please explain why the OP would be throwing money away by choosing a DIY AT screen over a spandex screen. In what specific areas of image quality does the spandex screen outperform a Seymour XD or Seymour UF AT screen?

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In my light controlled room with an Epson 3800 and JBLs standing behind the screen the image and sound characteristics are awesome. If someone wants to throw away money chasing a performance that is perhaps fictional at best then that's up to them. I gave my input based on OPs initial request that he wanted to same some money.

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So you are using a 3000 lumens projector in a light controlled room which would help the performance of a spandex screen. You did follow the recommendations on this forum for spandex screen users. I looked through your theater build. You spent your budget where it made sense to you to do so. Telling another forum member they are throwing away their money doesn't seem like a fact. You have stated several times you prefer facts but you have not listed any facts why a spandex screen performs better than the Seymour AT screens mentioned during this conversation.I hope you have a pleasant evening.

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Again, I thought I said I’d consider less... though when I can get into Seymour for less than $150, FOR ME, less is generally moot. I did just buy 20 JBL 12” drivers after all. I’m really looking for what all my options are, what the price points are, and what I’d gain or lose by hitting different price points.. case in point, I might just pay the $1k for the Seymour screen so it’s turn key to assemble. Vs $150 for just the material...

But if I was to buy raw material, or get a full screen higher in price, does that get me anything beneficial?

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So you are using a 3000 lumens projector in a light controlled room which would help the performance of a spandex screen. You did follow the recommendations on this forum for spandex screen users. I looked through your theater build. You spent your budget where it made sense to you to do so. Telling another forum member they are throwing away their money doesn't seem like a fact. You have stated several times you prefer facts but you have not listed any facts why a spandex screen performs better than the Seymour AT screens mentioned during this conversation.I hope you have a pleasant evening.

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You need to look at everything together not just in isolation. It is kind of common Sense to assume that when someone is considering spandex for a dedicated theater all other aspects (lumen output, speaker positioning, light control etc.) are also being considered.

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Again, I thought I said I’d consider less... though when I can get into Seymour for less than $150, FOR ME, less is generally moot. I did just buy 20 JBL 12” drivers after all. I’m really looking for what all my options are, what the price points are, and what I’d gain or lose by hitting different price points.. case in point, I might just pay the $1k for the Seymour screen so it’s turn key to assemble. Vs $150 for just the material...



But if I was to buy raw material, or get a full screen higher in price, does that get me anything beneficial?
I bought a Seymour Glacier white non AT screen about 2 years ago. I thought about doing DIY as well but ultimately decided I would rather spend the money. I heard you on Youthmans podcast. That is crazy. Black Friday specials.

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Again, I thought I said I’d consider less... though when I can get into Seymour for less than $150, FOR ME, less is generally moot. I did just buy 20 JBL 12” drivers after all. I’m really looking for what all my options are, what the price points are, and what I’d gain or lose by hitting different price points.. case in point, I might just pay the $1k for the Seymour screen so it’s turn key to assemble. Vs $150 for just the material...



But if I was to buy raw material, or get a full screen higher in price, does that get me anything beneficial?
That is a decision only you can make about tradeoffs. Folks here can only give you their opinion based on their experience. I gave you mine but you seem ready to disregard. So good luck with your build.

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You need to look at everything together not just in isolation. It is kind of common Sense to assume that when someone is considering spandex for a dedicated theater all other aspects (lumen output, speaker positioning, light control etc.) are also being considered.

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And yet still you recommended a spandex screen without asking the OP any of the questions that would uncover if a spandex screen could be a good fit. I get it you don't do this for a living so you just wanted to share your enthusiasm for your own home theater. I get it. We are all passionate about our own gear.

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And yet still you recommended a spandex screen without asking the OP any of the questions that would uncover if a spandex screen could be a good fit. I get it you don't do this for a living so you just wanted to share your enthusiasm for your own home theater. I get it. We are all passionate about our own gear.

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Not really. Keeping aside the snide remark it is assumed that when you go spandex you are looking at all aspects not just the screen. That would have evolved in course of conversation.

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Not really. Keeping aside the snide remark it is assumed that when you go spandex you are looking at all aspects not just the screen. That would have evolved in course of conversation.

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I am just saying your enthusiasm for spandex screens seems evident. Fortunately the OP isn't new to screen materials. Imagine though if the person just took your advice and didn't know that all the other factors mattered and they went online and purchased spandex from spandex world. If they had a 2000 lumen JVC NX7 in a light controlled room I still think a spandex screen would have been very disappointing performance wise. You really need a light cannon to enjoy a spandex screen IMO.

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That is a decision only you can make about tradeoffs. Folks here can only give you their opinion based on their experience. I gave you mine but you seem ready to disregard. So good luck with your build.

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No offense intended. I spent about a year reading every spandex build in the diy section about 4 years ago before I was ready to build. I’m very familiar with the techniques, etc. it may be worthwhile to chase, but I haven’t kept up and want to see what other options are out there as well so I can make an informed decision.

If I choose commercial over spandex it doesn’t mean one is better than the other, it just means that it’s better for me at this time for this build...

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but don’t want anyone to feel like they can’t offer choices... 😀

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I know quite a few people like this material

https://avscience.com/dreamscreen/

People still love the Seymour Screen UF. They also now offer Center Stage XD which many videophiles feel improved upon the UF. I would check it out as well, depending upon your seating distance, seating angle and room conditions.

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Thanks, I’ll take a look, that’s a new link for me... I lost this response in the flurry... 😀
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I am just saying your enthusiasm for spandex screens seems evident. Fortunately the OP isn't new to screen materials. Imagine though if the person just took your advice and didn't know that all the other factors mattered and they went online and purchased spandex from spandex world. If they had a 2000 lumen JVC NX7 in a light controlled room I still think a spandex screen would have been very disappointing performance wise. You really need a light cannon to enjoy a spandex screen IMO.

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Again I am not discounting what you are saying but the room requirements to support spandex would have been the next obvious conversation. Something like hey so you are recommending spandex ...so what other considerations do I need to have for the room to make it work? That would have gone into more conversation on the factors to consider.

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Again I am not discounting what you are saying but the room requirements to support spandex would have been the next obvious conversation. Something like hey so you are recommending spandex ...so what other considerations do I need to have for the room to make it work? That would have gone into more conversation on the factors to consider.

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Great to hear I wasn't trying to trash spandex I think it is a great budget-friendly option and it does throw a really good image

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Used to be that the Seymour Center Stage UF was the best AT material to get / screen to buy if you are rolling your own...

I don't have a problem building a screen frame, but would also consider buying... looking at about 110" size give or take...

what options should I be looking at that I may have missed? I'll gladly spend less, but would need to be convinced to spend more...
I'm leaning towards their XD material for my room. Nice and bright (for an AT screen) and from the demos i've had, looks great. Seating distance/visible weave may be a concern, though, if you are under 12'.
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Great to hear I wasn't trying to trash spandex I think it is a great budget-friendly option and it does throw a really good image

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That's where we differ a bit. I am looking at spandex as a great quality budget friendly screen.

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