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2 aspect ratio motorized screen

Hi, I have a optoma ust65 with a no name 110 16:9 motorized screen, and I am thinking to upgrade my pj to an Epson 5050ub. With an alternative 2:35:1 motorized screen. I want to have the option to watch movies in both aspect ratio. My room doesn’t allow me for a fixed screen cause my current screen hanging from a window. What are my options. The only available 2 aspect ratio screen is from elite that is pricy.
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Since the epson has a motorized lens and lens memory you can use two separate screens.

This will allow you to have the 2.35 screen be wider as well.
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My question is anybody knows any affordable 2:35:1 motorized screen ?
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My question is anybody knows any affordable 2:35:1 motorized screen ?
Hmm, elite, xy, elunevision, draper, da-lite, seymourav
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Hmm, elite, xy, elunevision, draper, da-lite, seymourav
Any link of that ?
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Any link of that ?
Its a custom order screen youd have to contact each company
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Eltie makes both the duo screens (2 in one) and a standalone 2.35 screen electric screen.


If these are not affordable then better hunt the no name brands.


Also there are some diy threads about making masks for your current screen using velvet, rulers and binder clips.
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Also there are some diy threads about making masks for your current screen using velvet, rulers and binder clips.
@vagos1103gr1 I have a fairly simple to adjust manual masking. With a motorized screen the bottom you just raise the screen, but for the top i used a sheet of black fabric with a dowel on either end and a 1" curtain road and velcro to hold it closer to the screen.

Of course thats constant image width and not height so my 2.35 movies are smaller, but i dont have any room anyway.

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For me the main advantage for a second screen is if you wanted a different material like gray/white/ALR/etc. The secondary benefit would be in simplifying masking for 2 ARs. Today we are seeing all kinds of AR 2.35, 1.85. 1.77, 2.00, 2.20 and stuff that switches AR during the movie if you watch old TV and movies add in 1.375, 1.33.

The biggest advantage to CIH is just zoom the height and have side curtains come in to mask the sides.

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Hi, I have a optoma ust65 with a no name 110 16:9 motorized screen, and I am thinking to upgrade my pj to an Epson 5050ub. With an alternative 2:35:1 motorized screen. I want to have the option to watch movies in both aspect ratio. My room doesn’t allow me for a fixed screen cause my current screen hanging from a window. What are my options. The only available 2 aspect ratio screen is from elite that is pricy.
2 screens works incredibly well !
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2 screens works incredibly well !
+1 on two screens. Thanks Craig!
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+1 on two screens. Thanks Craig!
The best " masking system " ever devised !
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For me the main advantage for a second screen is if you wanted a different material like gray/white/ALR/etc. The secondary benefit would be in simplifying masking for 2 ARs. Today we are seeing all kinds of AR 2.35, 1.85. 1.77, 2.00, 2.20 and stuff that switches AR during the movie if you watch old TV and movies add in 1.375, 1.33.
The biggest advantage to CIH is just zoom the height and have side curtains come in to mask the sides.
FWIW, this was along the lines of my thinking. We had a 16 x 9 DaLite HP 2.8 Cosmopolitan Electrol.
We used it mostly for Sports. When we wanted to add a scope screen for movies, I could no longer get the HP material. So, we got samples from several screen makers. The one I liked best was Elite Cinawhite. So we went with an Elite 2.35 tab tensioned electric scope screen. It's a 1.1 gain and is a great fit for modern movies. Again, "Thanks Craig".
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FWIW, this was along the lines of my thinking. We had a 16 x 9 DaLite HP 2.8 Cosmopolitan Electrol.
We used it mostly for Sports. When we wanted to add a scope screen for movies, I could no longer get the HP material. So, we got samples from several screen makers. The one I liked best was Elite Cinawhite. So we went with an Elite 2.35 tab tensioned electric scope screen. It's a 1.1 gain and is a great fit for modern movies. Again, "Thanks Craig".
Best of both worlds.

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For me the main advantage for a second screen is if you wanted a different material like gray/white/ALR/etc.
The whole reason for the Stewart Gemini, I have a StudioTek 2:35 and a Phantom ALR in 16:9, both motorized and designed for the right applications. 2:35 for movies and the 16:9 for sports/tv with the lights on.
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The whole reason for the Stewart Gemini, I have a StudioTek 2:35 and a Phantom ALR in 16:9, both motorized and designed for the right applications. 2:35 for movies and the 16:9 for sports/tv with the lights on.
Out of curiosity what sizes did you select for both screens? Is it also a CIH presentation or other and how if I can ask did you decide?

I see Don is also around @Don Stewart If he could tell us (If he knows) what relative sizes between the two ARs is common? Are most people selecting two different screen materials for lights out and then sport viewing and is there any trend on how each is sized?

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Out of curiosity what sizes did you select for both screens? Is it also a CIH presentation or other and how if I can ask did you decide?

I see Don is also around @Don Stewart If he could tell us (If he knows) what relative sizes between the two ARs is common? Are most people selecting two different screen materials for lights out and then sport viewing and is there any trend on how each is sized?
Here is the story behind the Gemini.

As many of you know, the questions comes up by many posters here on the forum what type of screen to use. They then go on to describe the room's environment and how they intend to use their system. Many times, their desires creates a conflict in screen choice as screen materials are very application driven. That said, there is no screen out there that can give a reference quality image and be a high ambient light rejection screen at the same time. So the Gemini is our solution. Most of the orders for the Gimini are with a StudioTek 130 reference material with a scope AR format for viewing of movies in a darkened room and the Phantom ALR material with a 1.78/1 AR for TV and sports viewing when desired ambient light is present.


(My original 2017 internal concept first draft that I presented to the Stewart team is attached below. Sometimes, when presenting a concept to my coworkers for the first time, I make a rough sketch of the idea, then write the product's mission in an ad like format, so they can share the the new products original vision from more of a customer's perspective. This gives the team better insight to the product's mission and keeps us focused on what we are trying to achieve during engineering and development of the production models. It all seems to come together quicker and better when all the team members are on the same page.)
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@Don Stewart

Thanks for sharing the history behind a great idea and attaching the idea origin document let us all into the process.

It looks like in your sketch the two screens function together as CIH. Is that the most common sizing?

With today’s 1080p or better sports broadcasts I find myself watching sports almost as if it were IMAX immersion.

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@Don Stewart

Thanks for sharing the history behind a great idea and attaching the idea origin document let us all into the process.

It looks like in your sketch the two screens function together as CIH. Is that the most common sizing?

With today’s 1080p or better sports broadcasts I find myself watching sports almost as if it were IMAX immersion.
Actually I think most users have chosen different 2:35/1.78 vertical sizes but its real easy for CIH, but I'm a year removed from Stewart now. Given the size of the chassis, there can some latitude over sizing. Originally it was designed for CIH and the first units were designed around the Barco products with the 2:37 chipset. The first unit was featured in Barco's CEDIA booth. I loved sitting down with Don and Mark R at lunch creating the original concept, this usage is the way I live, and I struggled with another ALR screen for movies, although it was great for the lights being on, it was totally wrong for dedicated movie watching. I was involved with another company's transforming screen, but it was one material in 16:9 and 2:35, the material for dedicated movie watching is the wrong material for daytime tv watching and vis versa. Its not about aspect ratio but ambient light. Don had mentioned they had the "daily Dual" for years for post production work so the engineering was already there, this was just a new application. It all happened pretty quick, and even my wife ended up naming it at our kitchen counter. You can literally put any of Stewart's materials on either roll, but yes, most of the time it will be StudioTek on 2:35 and Firehawk or Phantom on the other. I was using it last night with my new projector as a matter of fact. Other than a stupid large Directors Choice, its one of my favorite products.

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