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Future-proof screeen recomendation (today 1080p ready for 4k)

Currently, I have a Sony VPL-HW30 projector
I am planning to upgrade in the future to VPL-VW295ES or JVC NX 5

My current screen is a Dalite 110” HCCV screen (dasnap fixed on wall)
I learned that this screen might not be ideal even for 1080p and not good for 4k.

My setup:
  • 16.5’ throw distance
  • about 15 viewing distance.
  • the room is light controlled - shaded windows on one side
  • Walls are bluegray; ceiling a dark grey.

What screens should I be looking at?
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also, according to this site, plugging in my numbers I should get a screen with gain lower than 1?
I think my HCCV has 1.1. Then gain, I run in low-lamp mode....
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I have a Sony 695es and it looks great on my 115” 2.35:1 Stewart Cima Neve screen.
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also, according to this site, plugging in my numbers I should get a screen with gain lower than 1?
I think my HCCV has 1.1. Then gain, I run in low-lamp mode....
I would not seek out a screen with gain less than 1, you will always want to have as much brightness as you can reasonably get for your future HDR viewing, especially if you want to stay in low lamp mode which is quieter.

Stewart is the best if it fits your budget, and I'd go with either the Cima with Neve material as suggested by m0j0 (rated gain of 1.1 but has measured higher), or the top of the line Stewart Wallscreen Deluxe with ST130 G4 material (rated gain 1.3).

If you choose the JVC NX5 instead of the Sony 295ES you will have the ability to dial down your brightness as desired on SDR content using the manual iris which that Sony model does not have, plus you will have better picture quality with higher contrast and deeper blacks and a superior HDR presentation from the JVC's frame adapt HDR implemented in their firmware update.

Most of us on this forum would want to increase that screen size, or just move the seating closer, for a more immersive viewing experience, so that's something to consider. If your 110" is diagonal 16:9 then at 15' you have less than a 30 degree viewing angle which is the back row of a commercial cinema. Maybe that is what works perfect for you but I would at least experiment with seating distance to make sure - at least 40 degrees and many enjoy 50 degrees for 2.39 cinemascope films, so that would be a range of about 11 feet to 8.5 feet with your current screen size. Even sitting at 12 feet would make a large improvement in your immersion with that 110" screen.

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also, according to this site, plugging in my numbers I should get a screen with gain lower than 1?

I think my HCCV has 1.1. Then gain, I run in low-lamp mode....


Get a Cima Neve. I had a HCCV screen for years - and replaced it with the Neve. Sharper, brighter, no screen artifacts that the HCCV had.


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Get a Cima Neve. I had a HCCV screen for years - and replaced it with the Neve. Sharper, brighter, no screen artifacts that the HCCV had.


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Great to find somebody with the same screen upgraded. How does the Ciam Neve compare to old HCCV with some background light? i.e. from (dimmed) ceiling cans.
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Great to find somebody with the same screen upgraded. How does the Ciam Neve compare to old HCCV with some background light? i.e. from (dimmed) ceiling cans.
The HCCV wasn't that great IMO with light. Check this out - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post58899192
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Great. Then I just need to decide between 110 and 120.
I am assuming 16:9 format is still the way to go for most?
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Great. Then I just need to decide between 110 and 120.

I am assuming 16:9 format is still the way to go for most?


That depends on what type of content you watch most often.


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Probably 1/3 BD supplied by Netflix, 1/3 TV (sports), 1/3 Netflix/Sling/Amazon
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Great. Then I just need to decide between 110 and 120.
I am assuming 16:9 format is still the way to go for most?
If you are going to stay with your 15' viewing distance on 110" resulting in 29.8 degree viewing angle (very back row of a commercial theater) than I would stay with a 16:9 screen. Now if you move your seating much closer as has been suggested by multiple members in your two threads, or you project much larger, you open up the possibility of a 2.35:1 CIH screen. To go 2.35 screen at your current seating you would need a 127" wide (138" diagonal) in order to keep your 1.85/16:9 content the same size you now have.

If you go with a 120" 16:9 screen at your current seating you will get a slight improvement in viewing angle to 32.4 degrees. For reference, THX recommends 36 degrees for the furthest back row seat. CEDIA recommends a 43 degree viewing angle as their ideal for 2.35:1 films. The middle of a commercial theater provides about 50 degree angle. Some forum members here (one who comes to mind who has a state of the art large HT) prefer as high as 62 degrees.

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I sit 10' from my 122" diagonal 16:9 Cima Neve screen. It's more or less perfect. If buying a new 4K projector, you will want to sit closer.
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I sit 10' from my 122" diagonal 16:9 Cima Neve screen. It's more or less perfect. If buying a new 4K projector, you will want to sit closer.
47.8 degrees, that's wonderfully immersive on 1.85/16:9 material. I'm close to that angle, about a degree less, love it 👍🏼

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47.8 degrees, that's wonderfully immersive on 1.85/16:9 material. I'm close to that angle, about a degree less, love it 👍🏼

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With 1080p and 4K sources, everything looks good. And it's not too close. I used to have our seating at around 14'. But as projectors have gotten better, and source material has gotten better, I've slowly moved the seating closer to where I have it today. Any closer would mess up the audio for some seats.
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Hi,

I think I need a quick primer on managing aspect ratios. i.e. 2.35:1 vs 16:9. Do I have to switch aspect ratio at projector for different sources?
My current sources: HTPC for bluray and cableTV playback; Roku for online streaming.

My current projector ( Sony VPL-HW30AES) has 16:9 native aspect ratio. Do newer ones have different aspect ratios?
I believe a VPL-VW295ES has 1.85:1? A JVC DLA-NX5 16:9?
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Hi,

I think I need a quick primer on managing aspect ratios. i.e. 2.35:1 vs 16:9. Do I have to switch aspect ratio at projector for different sources?
My current sources: HTPC for bluray and cableTV playback; Roku for online streaming.

My current projector ( Sony VPL-HW30AES) has 16:9 native aspect ratio. Do newer ones have different aspect ratios?
I believe a VPL-VW295ES has 1.85:1? A JVC DLA-NX5 16:9?
You will want a projector with powered zoom / focus / lens shift and lens memories if getting a 2.35:1 screen. The JVC RS1000 / NX5 has that. The Sony VW295es does not.
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I think I need a quick primer on managing aspect ratios. i.e. 2.35:1 vs 16:9. Do I have to switch aspect ratio at projector for different sources?
There are 2 ways to use a 2.35/2.40 screen with a 16:9 projector.

1. Zoom - Epson ub and jvc projectors have lens memory. You just zoom the projector to the screen size.

2. Get a lens and sled. When you do 2.35 the projector get into a mode that uses the full panel and a lens slides in font of it. There is a 2.35 forum with lots of good info. A lens cost more but you get better resolution and more brightness.


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thanks. Just to understand. Are not "all" (as most common) projectors 16:9 anymore?
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thanks. Just to understand. Are not "all" (as most common) projectors 16:9 anymore?
Virtually all home theater projectors have native 16:9 ( or 17:9 ) chips. That's not a reason to not get a 2.40:1 screen though.
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not sure that I m ready for 2.35:1. I am afraid that 16:19 content will be a bit small.

I need to take some measurements for 120 vs 1110 16:9. Currently, my center speaker is a limiting factor. My current 110" starts right on top of the speaker height. Possibly could squeeze another inch. But the screen woudl go 3.8" higher (for a total 4.8" screen height increase from 110 to 120). Getting rather close to ceiling....

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not sure that I m ready for 2.35:1. I am afraid that 16:19 content will be a bit small.
That is not what 2.35 is about.

Step 1 find a good height for 16:9
Step 2 get a 2.35 screen in that height


It is about being wider not shorter.

I have my screen above speakers as well. Wider is how movies will get better. Taller is not so great due to view angles.
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not sure that I m ready for 2.35:1. I am afraid that 16:19 content will be a bit small.

I need to take some measurements for 120 vs 1110 16:9. Currently, my center speaker is a limiting factor. My current 110" starts right on top of the speaker height. Possibly could squeeze another inch. But the screen woudl go 3.8" higher (for a total 4.8" screen height increase from 110 to 120). Getting rather close to ceiling....

I attached image to illustrate. Screen (viewable area - not frame) is about 10 1/4" from ceiling.
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not sure that I m ready for 2.35:1. I am afraid that 16:19 content will be a bit small.

I need to take some measurements for 120 vs 1110 16:9. Currently, my center speaker is a limiting factor. My current 110" starts right on top of the speaker height. Possibly could squeeze another inch. But the screen woudl go 3.8" higher (for a total 4.8" screen height increase from 110 to 120). Getting rather close to ceiling....

I attached image to illustrate. Screen (viewable area - not frame) is about 10 1/4" from ceiling.
Is that a Sanus Steel Series stand holding your center channel ? Get a shorter one if that's the issue.
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Is that a Sanus Steel Series stand holding your center channel ? Get a shorter one if that's the issue.
Yes, I could get a shorter one. Oddly enough it seems that having the screen high is the best choice with my recliners.
My problem with getting higher is some of the reflections from ceiling.
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Yes, I could get a shorter one. Oddly enough it seems that having the screen high is the best choice with my recliners.
My problem with getting higher is some of the reflections from ceiling.
You could put some black velvet on that part of the ceiling. I myself don't use recliners - people have a tendency to fall asleep in them. So I'm looking horizontally at the screen at around 42" off the floor.

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You could put some black velvet on that part of the ceiling. I myself don't use recliners - people have a tendency to fall asleep in them. So I'm looking horizontally at the screen at around 42" off the floor.
My screen is 31" above floor (viewable area). When sitting upright the screen appears to high. Reclined fine or could be even higher.
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My screen is 31" above floor (viewable area). When sitting upright the screen appears to high. Reclined fine or could be even higher.
My 122" diagonal 16:9 screen is under 20" off the floor (viewable area). But my seats don't recline.
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