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Advice please for screen with JVC NX5

Hi team,

I've been looking at an upgrade to my home viewing experience.

My room is 21x19 and will be light controlled.

I will be ordering a JVC NX5 this week and will ceiling mount the projector about 17 feet from the screen. No need for perforated screen, which will be wall mounted. Planned screen size is 120" wide 2.39 fixed - (120'x50" or 41.7 sq ft of material)

I've been scouring posts and it seems the choice is between the Studiotek 100 versus the 130G4.

As far as I can see, the benefit of the 100 is absolute uniformity of light across the screen versus a 30% increase (18.5vs 14.3) at center versus edge. The benefit of the 130 is a 26% overall increase in FL. In my reading I can see no major difference in image "quality" between the two.

Assuming the JVC NX7 yielded 1500 lumens versus quoted 1900, I would be at 36FL on the Studiotek 100 and 47FL on the 130 G4.

I would appreciate guidance on how anyone made their choice and their experience, especially if they've owned both.

History, I had a Studiotek 130 many years ago and made the mistake of switching to a DaLite higher gain screen. This has given me an irrational fear of solving brightness with gain

Many thanks
Rob
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Hi team,



I've been looking at an upgrade to my home viewing experience.



My room is 21x19 and will be light controlled.



I will be ordering a JVC NX5 this week and will ceiling mount the projector about 17 feet from the screen. No need for perforated screen, which will be wall mounted. Planned screen size is 120" wide 2.39 fixed - (120'x50" or 41.7 sq ft of material)



I've been scouring posts and it seems the choice is between the Studiotek 100 versus the 130G4.



As far as I can see, the benefit of the 100 is absolute uniformity of light across the screen versus a 30% increase (18.5vs 14.3) at center versus edge. The benefit of the 130 is a 26% overall increase in FL. In my reading I can see no major difference in image "quality" between the two.



Assuming the JVC NX7 yielded 1500 lumens versus quoted 1900, I would be at 36FL on the Studiotek 100 and 47FL on the 130 G4.



I would appreciate guidance on how anyone made their choice and their experience, especially if they've owned both.



History, I had a Studiotek 130 many years ago and made the mistake of switching to a DaLite higher gain screen. This has given me an irrational fear of solving brightness with gain



Many thanks

Rob

Kris Deering recently switched from his ST100 to ST130 G4. For me that told me all I needed to know about the difference that now exists between the two. Combine that with the historic price drops that happened last November for Stewart screens and it became a no brainer to me. I have had my 130 G4 screen now for about 3 weeks . The image is bright but still makes all the colors and highlights appear so natural. Image is so sharp and detailed with great depth and I am only using an Epson 6050.


https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-screen-review





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Kris Deering recently switched from his ST100 to ST130 G4. For me that told me all I needed to know about the difference that now exists between the two. Combine that with the historic price drops that happened last November for Stewart screens and it became a no brainer to me. I have had my 130 G4 screen now for about 3 weeks . The image is bright but still makes all the colors and highlights appear so natural. Image is so sharp and detailed with great depth and I am only using an Epson 6050.


https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-screen-review





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Hi there, thanks for the quick reply. I need to check out Kris Deering (I have been away from the forum for 10 years) and see what happened there. The review you quote says the 130 is awesome but that the 100 remains as reference. In your experience your reply says that you like the 130 versus the 100, but no mention of differences? BTW, I don't see the Epson 6050 as "only" 😂
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Hi there, thanks for the quick reply. I need to check out Kris Deering (I have been away from the forum for 10 years) and see what happened there. The review you quote says the 130 is awesome but that the 100 remains as reference. In your experience your reply says that you like the 130 versus the 100, but no mention of differences? BTW, I don't see the Epson 6050 as "only"
ST100 is still the reference because of zero artifacts whereas the ST130 will have some slight artifacting in very specific panning moments. I have not noticed it all. The overall brightness for the ST130 really excels with HDR content . I can now run my Epson in medium lamp instead of high for HDR content. Big win for reducing projector noise.

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Hi team,

I've been looking at an upgrade to my home viewing experience.

My room is 21x19 and will be light controlled.

I will be ordering a JVC NX5 this week and will ceiling mount the projector about 17 feet from the screen. No need for perforated screen, which will be wall mounted. Planned screen size is 120" wide 2.39 fixed - (120'x50" or 41.7 sq ft of material)

I've been scouring posts and it seems the choice is between the Studiotek 100 versus the 130G4.

As far as I can see, the benefit of the 100 is absolute uniformity of light across the screen versus a 30% increase (18.5vs 14.3) at center versus edge. The benefit of the 130 is a 26% overall increase in FL. In my reading I can see no major difference in image "quality" between the two.

Assuming the JVC NX7 yielded 1500 lumens versus quoted 1900, I would be at 36FL on the Studiotek 100 and 47FL on the 130 G4.

I would appreciate guidance on how anyone made their choice and their experience, especially if they've owned both.

History, I had a Studiotek 130 many years ago and made the mistake of switching to a DaLite higher gain screen. This has given me an irrational fear of solving brightness with gain

Many thanks
Rob
Unless you've had a somewhat similar projector before, don't decide on screen size before using the projector on a wall for a while.

In general the throw ratio used by most is 10-12" in diagonal for every foot in distance.

The NX series can do ~1500 lumens in High lamp and 1000 in Eco.

The G4 is recommended if the screen is over 100-110" diagonal (16:9) with the NX series. But how bright the screen should be is also a personal preference.


Another thing is wall reflections will have a negative effect on black level/contrast if not treated:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/
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I've the same dilema, Robert. The only advantage the 130 G4 material has over the 100 is extra brightness - but that's a pretty big advantage in today's HDR world! The thing putting me off is the 'you date your pj and marry your screen' adage. Who knows the lumens future projectors will be putting out. It's safe to say they will go up, but by how much and how quickly? If budget isn't really an issue, i'd go 130 G4 and consider swapping to a 100 when there's the lumens to drive it. Or not if the image is really as clear and artifact free and reports suggest.

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The NX series can do ~1500 lumens in High lamp and 1000 in Eco.

The G4 is recommended if the screen is over 100-110" diagonal (16:9) with the NX series. But how bright the screen should be is also a personal preference.
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/
Going slightly off topic. Do you think it's crazy to go for a 150-160" with 130 G4 material? This will be in a velvet batcave.
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I've the same dilema, Robert. The only advantage the 130 G4 material has over the 100 is extra brightness - but that's a pretty big advantage in today's HDR world! The thing putting me off is the 'you date your pj and marry your screen' adage. Who knows the lumens future projectors will be putting out. It's safe to say they will go up, but by how much and how quickly? If budget isn't really an issue, i'd go 130 G4 and consider swapping to a 100 when there's the lumens to drive it. Or not if the image is really as clear and artifact free and reports suggest.



Going slightly off topic. Do you think it's crazy to go for a 150-160" with 130 G4 material? This will be in a velvet batcave.
That's pretty big. What's your seating distance ?
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Hi there, thanks for the quick reply. I need to check out Kris Deering (I have been away from the forum for 10 years) and see what happened there. The review you quote says the 130 is awesome but that the 100 remains as reference. In your experience your reply says that you like the 130 versus the 100, but no mention of differences? BTW, I don't see the Epson 6050 as "only" 😂
One thing about the ST100 is it really needs a totally non reflective room ( black velvet lined ) to look its best. A screen with gain like the ST 130 is a little more forgiving.

Get samples and test them. Get Stewart's Cima Neve too while you are at it.
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That's pretty big. What's your seating distance ?
Around 12-13'. It won't actually be 150-160" 16:9, but it will be zooming to that size for a scope screen. 16:9 content will be closer to 120"
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Around 12-13'. It won't actually be 150-160" 16:9, but it will be zooming to that size for a scope screen. 16:9 content will be closer to 120"
A 153" diagonal 2.40:1 screen is 141.25" wide. If you sit 12' away, you'll have about the same field of view I have on my 128" diagonal scope screen from 10'. I don't see a problem. I'd want a ST 130 G4 screen and a Panamorph Paladin lens myself.
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I've the same dilema, Robert. The only advantage the 130 G4 material has over the 100 is extra brightness - but that's a pretty big advantage in today's HDR world! The thing putting me off is the 'you date your pj and marry your screen' adage. Who knows the lumens future projectors will be putting out. It's safe to say they will go up, but by how much and how quickly? If budget isn't really an issue, i'd go 130 G4 and consider swapping to a 100 when there's the lumens to drive it. Or not if the image is really as clear and artifact free and reports suggest.



Going slightly off topic. Do you think it's crazy to go for a 150-160" with 130 G4 material? This will be in a velvet batcave.
Go big or go home.
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I've the same dilema, Robert. The only advantage the 130 G4 material has over the 100 is extra brightness - but that's a pretty big advantage in today's HDR world! The thing putting me off is the 'you date your pj and marry your screen' adage. Who knows the lumens future projectors will be putting out. It's safe to say they will go up, but by how much and how quickly? If budget isn't really an issue, i'd go 130 G4 and consider swapping to a 100 when there's the lumens to drive it. Or not if the image is really as clear and artifact free and reports suggest.







Going slightly off topic. Do you think it's crazy to go for a 150-160" with 130 G4 material? This will be in a velvet batcave.
I have the G4 in a 140 inch 2:39 screen and I am able to to use the DCI-P3 filter on my Epson 6050 and run in medium lamp. Epson did have a recent firmware update which seems to have helped the overall brightness. Prior to getting the G4 I had a 120 inch 16x9 Glacier White screen. I have gone much bigger with the 140 inch G4 and the screen actually seems brighter. I highly recommend the screen and think you will love the JVC NX5 and ST130 G4 combination even at 160 inches with the DTM the JVC offers. Personally I would go 150 inches, NX7 and add DCR lens down the line.

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Go big or go home.
If you have the throw distance. 10' wide is max in my room with a throw distance just under 14'. So I sit closer. And have a bright picture without running the projector on high brightness !
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Dumb question, when I get my 2.35:1 fixed screen, how will the JVC avoid throwing light above and below the screen when the panels are 1.79:1? Thanks, Rob
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Dumb question, when I get my 2.35:1 fixed screen, how will the JVC avoid throwing light above and below the screen when the panels are 1.79:1? Thanks, Rob

The “ mask “ feature and / or the black paint or velvet you put on the screen wall.


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