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I found an old, used motorized 110" Videomatte 200 Stewart screen for $60 and was thinking of pairing it with my Optoma HD142x. I've read they were not meant for very high lumen PJ's and the Optoma pushes around 3,000 lumens. Will this screen work for me? It's in great condition and I figured $60 was a steal for a 110" Stewart screen and not to mention that it's motorized! Thoughts?
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I found an old, used motorized 110" Videomatte 200 Stewart screen for $60 and was thinking of pairing it with my Optoma HD142x. I've read they were not meant for very high lumen PJ's and the Optoma pushes around 3,000 lumens. Will this screen work for me? It's in great condition and I figured $60 was a steal for a 110" Stewart screen and not to mention that it's motorized! Thoughts?
What do you have to lose besides $ 60.00.
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Hey everyone, I recently purchased my first projector (JVC RS2000) so I'm in the market for a screen. I was looking to pickup a Stewart Cima with Tiburon G2 as the projector is in a shared den area with some ambient light.

I noticed the gain on that material is .8, which made me concerned about the brightness possible for HDR content. Would I be better off going up market to a Balon with Firehawk G5 (1.1 gain) or similar or am I making much ado about nothing and the .8 gain will be fine with HDR?


Lighting condition info if that is a deciding factor:
I have windows, but they have blackout blinds with blackout curtains pulled over them.

Room is a large shared area with PCs that could generate light ~20' from the screen as well a hallway can light ~ 30' away from the screen.
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Just wondering the actual loss in gain on Stewart 100 Microperf?
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Just wondering the actual loss in gain on Stewart 100 Microperf?
I believe Microperf reduces light by 10%.
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Hey everyone, I recently purchased my first projector (JVC RS2000) so I'm in the market for a screen. I was looking to pickup a Stewart Cima with Tiburon G2 as the projector is in a shared den area with some ambient light.

I noticed the gain on that material is .8, which made me concerned about the brightness possible for HDR content. Would I be better off going up market to a Balon with Firehawk G5 (1.1 gain) or similar or am I making much ado about nothing and the .8 gain will be fine with HDR?


Lighting condition info if that is a deciding factor:
I have windows, but they have blackout blinds with blackout curtains pulled over them.

Room is a large shared area with PCs that could generate light ~20' from the screen as well a hallway can light ~ 30' away from the screen.
I'd consider the Firehawk. Get samples of each. Can you eliminate those light sources with curtains that can be closed while watching movies ? If so, consider the Cima Neve. Add that to your sample list. Maybe get the projector first and test the samples in the actual viewing conditions prior to choosing the screen.
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Did you ever find out what caused the corner issues?


The way the screen was cut, I guess. The new screen had a different cutout in the corners which provided perfect coverage.


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I'm looking at the Wallscreen series of frames. What I have not been able to determine is what the total width/height is for the "1.5" and "Deluxe" versions of the frames. For any of the screen sizes, what is added to the screen width and height so that one knows the exact amount of space that is required?

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I'm helping my Dad setup a Luxux motorized screen and we need to adjust the down limit. I can see the white hex adjuster, but with the bottom panel on I can't access it. Do I just remove the few screws on either end to remove the bottom panel so that I can access the limit adjuster?

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In the market for a new screen and it was suggested a Stewart Cima 1.25 gain. I prefer a tension tab motorized screen, but was surprised at how much more expensive the Stewart is compared to my present Grandview. While not discussed specific pricing, can someone advise the advantages to the Stewart product versus other less expensive units?
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Hello All. I am currently reviewing the new G4 version of the ST130. I've casually glanced through the last page of comments on screens and seen lots of questions about the difference between a ST130 and ST100. The main difference visually is the lack of any coating signature on the image. Because the ST130 is a gain screen, there is the texture and artifacts associated with the coating. This results in some static texture that is typically visible in bright portions of the screen when the image is panning (more visible with a vertical pan typically). I see a lot of ST130 owners that say they never see the texture and sparkle, which is great (don't go looking for it!), but it is ALWAYS there. If you were to compare a tensioned ST100 to it, the difference is quite noticeable, especially with bright content (The Art of Flight is a perfect test case). I am pretty sensitive to it as I've used a ST100 for years now, but the ST130 is still miles better in this regard than most screens I see at shows or at client's homes for calibrations.



The G4 is Stewart's latest version and looks to reduce the "texture/signature" of the coating to help with clarity and visual artifacts now that we've moved to 4K and brighter images. I'll have a review here in the next couple months that compares it to my ST100 and my experiences with the previous G3 version (which I also own and have used before).



As for brightness differences between the ST130 and ST100, you will typically see somewhere around 20-25%. It usually doesn't hit 30% because of the angles in use (for ceiling mounted projectors). The ST130 has gain applied so its brightness uniformity across the screen will not be as consistent. The ST100 maintains its brightness uniformity much better (but remember, not all projectors have great uniformity so this could play into it as well). The ST100 should only be considered in a bat-cave like environment with extreme care for not only ambient light but the reflection of light in the room back to the screen. Think velvet lined with no light colored surfaces. Care still needs to be taken with the ST130, but not to the same extreme.


Good evening Kris. In the near future I will be getting either a G3 or G4 ST130 screen. I was wondering how you are coming along with your review.


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In the market for a new screen and it was suggested a Stewart Cima 1.25 gain. I prefer a tension tab motorized screen, but was surprised at how much more expensive the Stewart is compared to my present Grandview. While not discussed specific pricing, can someone advise the advantages to the Stewart product versus other less expensive units?
As a professional calibrator and reviewer, I am constantly working in different projects with different screen materials on site. One thing that consistently stands out about Stewart products are their build quality and measured results. For build quality the first thing I focus on is the quality of the frames and tension systems. Stewart frames are typically properly level and plumb with no sag or obvious compromises. I see a LOT of frames from other resellers that are warped or sagging, creating their own geometry issues. I also see issues with tab tension systems from other manufacturers that start to degrade or have geometry issues. Stewart screens also meet their performance specs more often to most "value" brands.

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Good evening Kris. In the near future I will be getting either a G3 or G4 ST130 screen. I was wondering how you are coming along with your review.


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Review is nearly complete. At this point in time I don't think you have an option for a G3 vs a G4, I would think that Stewart would make this a running change where all future ST130 orders would be G4. I am not a dealer for Stewart, so I am not 100% on that, but it would make sense.

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[QUOTE=Kris Deering;59071858]As a professional calibrator and reviewer, I am constantly working in different projects with different screen materials on site. One thing that consistently stands out about Stewart products are their build quality and measured results. For build quality the first thing I focus on is the quality of the frames and tension systems. Stewart frames are typically properly level and plumb with no sag or obvious compromises. I see a LOT of frames from other resellers that are warped or sagging, creating their own geometry issues. I also see issues with tab tension systems from other manufacturers that start to degrade or have geometry issues. Stewart screens also meet their performance specs more often to most "value" brands.

Have done some further review of the Stewart screens and they appear to be the 'reference' screen of choice if one can afford them. I'm presently on the fence with a Stewart CIMA Neve, or SI Slate 1.2 OR Stewart ST130 or SI Solar white 1.3 all 16:9 135".
Have to say that my 10 year old Grandview motorizes tab-tension is well built and has shown no sizes of where.
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I'm pretty sure the StudioTek 130 G3 material is gone at this point, and it's all G4. In fact there is a shortage of StudioTek 130 material right now, probably due to switching to the new G4, and the holiday period we just had.
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Please look at my post #3310 . Do you know the values I am looking for?

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I'm looking at the Wallscreen series of frames. What I have not been able to determine is what the total width/height is for the "1.5" and "Deluxe" versions of the frames. For any of the screen sizes, what is added to the screen width and height so that one knows the exact amount of space that is required?


The frame dimensions are on Stewart’s website.


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The frame dimensions are on Stewart’s website.
I finally found it. It wasn't on the web site in plain view. You had to download the brochure which had the numbers. No idea why they didn't put those same numbers in the spec section of the web page.

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Cima Neve vs StudioTek 100 material

Hi folks...

Could someone please help me understand the benefits of the 100 material vs the Neve...? I’m in a bat cave with velvet walls and ceiling...

I think the gain is less on the 100...is that correct? Is there a noticeable brightness loss? What are the benefits of the 100 over the Cima Neve and is there an area where the Cima Neve performs better than than the 100? Thanks folks...

Edit...also interested in opinions on ST130 because I feel with the ST100 I may see a brightness difference vs the Cima Neve and I really wouldn’t prefer to lose brightness...perhaps you may feel brightness may be a none issue in a velvet bat cave but interested in your opinions...thanks

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Hi folks...

Could someone please help me understand the benefits of the 100 material vs the Neve...? I’m in a bat cave with velvet walls and ceiling...

I think the gain is less on the 100...is that correct? Is there a noticeable brightness loss? What are the benefits of the 100 over the Cima Neve and is there an area where the Cima Neve performs better than than the 100? Thanks folks...

Edit...also interested in opinions on ST130 because I feel with the ST100 I may see a brightness difference vs the Cima Neve and I really wouldn’t prefer to lose brightness...perhaps you may feel brightness may be a none issue in a velvet bat cave but interested in your opinions...thanks
Any input would be sincerely appreciated folks, thanks...

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Hi folks...

Could someone please help me understand the benefits of the 100 material vs the Neve...? I’m in a bat cave with velvet walls and ceiling...

I think the gain is less on the 100...is that correct? Is there a noticeable brightness loss? What are the benefits of the 100 over the Cima Neve and is there an area where the Cima Neve performs better than than the 100? Thanks folks...

Edit...also interested in opinions on ST130 because I feel with the ST100 I may see a brightness difference vs the Cima Neve and I really wouldn’t prefer to lose brightness...perhaps you may feel brightness may be a none issue in a velvet bat cave but interested in your opinions...thanks
Here's my 2 cents - the ST100 is a unity gain screen ( gain of 1 ). It's the most neutral and has more or less zero screen artifacts. It's also the least bright.

The Neve is 1.1 gain, and will be brighter. It will also send more light back towards the projector and less towards the walls ceiling and floor. It comes in fixed sizes and is the least expensive.

The ST130 is brighter than the Neve ( or the ST100 ), at 1.3 gain. It comes in custom sizes like the ST100. I find it a little finer / smoother looking than the Cima Neve ( I own a Cime Neve screen and an ST130 G3 screen ). It will have more screen artifacts than the ST100, but be brighter and add more " punch " for HDR. Pick your poison.

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Here's my 2 cents - the ST100 is a unity gain screen ( gain of 1 ). It's the most neutral and has more or less zero screen artifacts. It's also the least bright.

The Neve is 1.1 gain, and will be brighter. It will also send more light back towards the projector and less towards the walls ceiling and floor. It comes in fixed sizes and is the least expensive.

The ST130 is brighter than the Neve ( or the ST100 ), at 1.3 gain. It comes in custom sizes like the ST100. I find it a little finer / smoother looking than the Cima Neve ( I own a Cime Neve screen and an ST130 G3 screen ). It will have more screen artifacts than the ST100, but be brighter and add more " punch " for HDR. Pick your poison.

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Thanks Craig...I’ve been scouring this thread...thanks for the info...I’m considering an “upgrade”...is the 100 considered an upgrade over the Neve? Why? It has less gain than the Cima Neve...I do like brightness and punch so the 130 does interest me but I’m sure any artifacts will bother me...I’m the guy who picks out the pin head size paint chip on the Ferrari...also when you say the Cima throws more light back towards the pj, what do they 100 and 130 do? More towards the immediate side walls? My sides are black velvet...

Edit: off axis viewing not important to me...room only 12 ft wide and I’m centered right down Main Street!

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Thanks Craig...I’ve been scouring this thread...thanks for the info...I’m considering an “upgrade”...is the 100 considered an upgrade over the Neve? Why? It has less gain than the Cima Neve...I do like brightness and punch so the 130 does interest me but I’m sure any artifacts will bother me...I’m the guy who picks out the pin head size paint chip on the Ferrari...also when you say the Cima throws more light back towards the pj, what do they 100 and 130 do? More towards the immediate side walls? My sides are black velvet...

Edit: off axis viewing not important to me...room only 12 ft wide and I’m centered right down Main Street!
Gain = more light back towards the projector ( and you ). No gain like the ST100 - tends to reflect light in every direction. Best in a velvet lined pit. Personally, I like the Neve and the ST 130 better. The ST100 can look " dull " to me. Other people love the ST100. Get samples and take your time. For me an ST100 would not be an upgrade. For you - who knows.
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Edit: off axis viewing not important to me...room only 12 ft wide and I’m centered right down Main Street!
Even if it was, I tested Lucy (4K) today and got as close as I could to the front corner of our 12'-10" wide room to look at our 100" G3 ST130--about two feet away. I didn't notice any appreciable fall off in brightness or color. Focus got a tad hazy, but no one would ever view our screen from such an angle in our configuration. As you are, we're "right down Main Street" as you put it. No issues--we love our Stewart screen.

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Even if it was, I tested Lucy (4K) today and got as close as I could to the front corner of our 12'-10" wide room to look at our 100" G3 ST130--about two feet away. I didn't notice any appreciable fall off in brightness or color. Focus got a tad hazy, but no one would ever view our screen from such an angle in our configuration. As you are, we're "right down Main Street" as you put it. No issues--we love our Stewart screen.

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Thanks, any artifacting such as horizontal banding during vertical pans on bright skies or any other artifacting that is distracting?

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Gain = more light back towards the projector ( and you ). No gain like the ST100 - tends to reflect light in every direction. Best in a velvet lined pit. Personally, I like the Neve and the ST 130 better. The ST100 can look " dull " to me. Other people love the ST100. Get samples and take your time. For me an ST100 would not be an upgrade. For you - who knows.
Thanks Craig...I’m not sure 8x11 samples will tell me anything except for color tone...I would have to have a much larger sample to determine if there were any sparkles or artifacting...Am I wrong?

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Thanks, any artifacting such as horizontal banding during vertical pans on bright skies or any other artifacting that is distracting?


Nothing like you’ve described.


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Nothing like you’ve described.


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Sorry, for clarity, any artifacting at all? Apologies...

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Sorry, for clarity, any artifacting at all? Apologies...


Negative. And no worries about wanting to clarify. If you were close you could come see for yourself.


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