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As a professional calibrator and reviewer, I am constantly working in different projects with different screen materials on site. One thing that consistently stands out about Stewart products are their build quality and measured results. For build quality the first thing I focus on is the quality of the frames and tension systems. Stewart frames are typically properly level and plumb with no sag or obvious compromises. I see a LOT of frames from other resellers that are warped or sagging, creating their own geometry issues. I also see issues with tab tension systems from other manufacturers that start to degrade or have geometry issues. Stewart screens also meet their performance specs more often to most "value" brands.
My Stewart frame is excellent. I like the fact that if you want to order new material that they keep your serial number on file to easily match your frame with the new material.
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Thanks Craig...I’m not sure 8x11 samples will tell me anything except for color tone...I would have to have a much larger sample to determine if there were any sparkles or artifacting...Am I wrong?


If you hang them in front of your existing screen and take your time, yes, you can tell a lot from samples.


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Hi folks...

Could someone please help me understand the benefits of the 100 material vs the Neve...? I’️m in a bat cave with velvet walls and ceiling...

I think the gain is less on the 100...is that correct? Is there a noticeable brightness loss? What are the benefits of the 100 over the Cima Neve and is there an area where the Cima Neve performs better than than the 100? Thanks folks...

Edit...also interested in opinions on ST130 because I feel with the ST100 I may see a brightness difference vs the Cima Neve and I really wouldn’️t prefer to lose brightness...perhaps you may feel brightness may be a none issue in a velvet bat cave but interested in your opinions...thanks
I started off with this same dilemma. Started off with the Neve and then to the ST130 and finally landed on ST100. My room is far from being a Batcave with dark grey walls and lots of ambient lights from my amps and chairs, I still find the St100 puts out an awesome image even with cove lighting in the room. But when lights go out the picture is amazing. My reasoning for choosing the st100 was I wanted as dark blacks as possible so no additional gain, and with the trend of projectors getting brighter I didn’t feel the extra gain would be needed. With a my Sony vw500es I still have lamp on low and brightness down and find it very bright. Of course the screen depends on your projector.
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I started off with this same dilemma. Started off with the Neve and then to the ST130 and finally landed on ST100. My room is far from being a Batcave with dark grey walls and lots of ambient lights from my amps and chairs, I still find the St100 puts out an awesome image even with cove lighting in the room. But when lights go out the picture is amazing. My reasoning for choosing the st100 was I wanted as dark blacks as possible so no additional gain, and with the trend of projectors getting brighter I didn’t feel the extra gain would be needed. With a my Sony vw500es I still have lamp on low and brightness down and find it very bright. Of course the screen depends on your projector.
Thanks, very helpful...how big is the st100? 2.35 or 16x9 What did u not like about the st130? What is better about the 100 compared to the Neve? Just blacks or is the st100 sharper at all? Does the 100 look dimmer to you compared to Neve? Sorry for all the questions...very interested in your findings...

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I started off with this same dilemma. Started off with the Neve and then to the ST130 and finally landed on ST100. My room is far from being a Batcave with dark grey walls and lots of ambient lights from my amps and chairs, I still find the St100 puts out an awesome image even with cove lighting in the room. But when lights go out the picture is amazing. My reasoning for choosing the st100 was I wanted as dark blacks as possible so no additional gain, and with the trend of projectors getting brighter I didn’️t feel the extra gain would be needed. With a my Sony vw500es I still have lamp on low and brightness down and find it very bright. Of course the screen depends on your projector.
Thanks, very helpful...how big is the st100? 2.35 or 16x9 What did u not like about the st130? What is better about the 100 compared to the Neve? Just blacks or is the st100 sharper at all? Does the 100 look dimmer to you compared to Neve? Sorry for all the questions...very interested in your findings...
It really came down to the type and size of cinescope frame for my application. Unfortunately the Cima Neve didn’t have the size screen to maximize my wall otherwise I would have gone with it. But I wanted the largest possible screen so it had to be Stewart’s Baylon Borderless product in 2.40:1 in 130” diagonal. Literally have 1.5” on either side of the screen! The design of the frame is what really sold me. As for St130 vs st100 there’s another thread here on AVS on that. Really depending on what you are looking for. Can’t go wrong with either really as they are both reference screens.
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Love our G4 ST130 2:35.1 127”. No artifacts what so ever.
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It really came down to the type and size of cinescope frame for my application. Unfortunately the Cima Neve didn’t have the size screen to maximize my wall otherwise I would have gone with it. But I wanted the largest possible screen so it had to be Stewart’s Baylon Borderless product in 2.40:1 in 130” diagonal. Literally have 1.5” on either side of the screen! The design of the frame is what really sold me. As for St130 vs st100 there’s another thread here on AVS on that. Really depending on what you are looking for. Can’t go wrong with either really as they are both reference screens.
Thanks, doesn’t look like you are suffering from any brightness issues with a 1.0 gain...what projector?

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Love our G4 ST130 2:35.1 127”. No artifacts what so ever.
G4 is the new material, correct?

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Aspect ratio question

Hi folks

For scope screens, in the past I’ve had 2.35 but I find most movies today are 2.39 or 2.40 (correct me if I am wrong please) resulting in slight overlap on each side on to the black masking...

What are most of you using/ordering these days for scope screens? 2.35, 2.39, or 2.40? Thanks folks...

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For scope screens, in the past I’ve had 2.35 but I find most movies today are 2.39 or 2.40 (correct me if I am wrong please) resulting in slight overlap on each side on to the black masking...



What are most of you using/ordering these days for scope screens? 2.35, 2.39, or 2.40? Thanks folks...


I’d probably go with a 2.40:1 myself.


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G4 is the new material, correct?


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Thanks Craig, is that because most new flicks are 2.40 or do u find ones say up to 20 years old are also?

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Thanks Craig, Do we know what the specific benefits are over G3?

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Thanks Craig, is that because most new flicks are 2.40 or do u find ones say up to 20 years old are also?


I think most scope films are closer to 2.40:1 that I have. You could split the difference with a 2.37:1 screen too.


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Thanks Craig, Do we know what the specific benefits are over G3?


Less screen artifacts. I think there could be a review coming from Kris Deering soon.


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I had a great experience with AV Science and Stewart that I wanted to share.

I talked to @Mike Garrett at AV Science about two months ago while shopping for a new screen, and he recommended the Cima FF with Neve material for my dark home theater setup. Before, I was using an Elite Cinegrey which I chose at the time because I do often use the HT while keeping dim ambient light on (but walls are blacked out and no direct ambient light reaches the screen). Mike insisted that a white screen like the Neve should still work great in my particular setup.

I received the Cima Neve and I was pleased with the results -- colors popped like never before and bright whites could get blinding at times but resulted in a much more realistic look. Blacks were still excellent with my JVC X790R, so my overall contrast improved considerably. Sharpness was incredible and allowed me to focus my projector better than on my previous screen. I once saw a comment that said upgrading to the Cima Neve felt like updating one's glasses prescription, which sounded funny to me at the time, but I couldn't agree more.

I did notice what I would call horizontal "screen ripples" at the time, that appeared most prominently in very bright panning shots, but I wasn't sure if these would go away with time or not. I did double check screen tension and it seemed properly tensioned everywhere from what I could tell. One month later, I had Chad B over to do a calibration with the new Cima Neve screen, which showed off how good the screen is even more. But the screen ripples were still there, so Chad suggested I ask my screen dealer about it.

I reached out to Mike again, sent him some photos of the screen ripples, and he suggested that I use lens shift to confirm that the ripples were coming from the screen rather than the projector. With lens shift I was able to confirm that the screen was the issue, so Mike forwarded my issue to Stewart, and they ended up deciding to send me an ST130 G4 fabric replacement as a one-time accommodation. Great customer service!

I just installed the ST130 G4 replacement fabric yesterday, and it's absolutely perfect. No screen ripples at all. I was concerned about changing screen materials after Chad had already calibrated against the Neve, but from my subjective viewing tests, at least, I was relieved to see that there were no noticeable color or gamma shifts at all. It just looks slightly better than the Neve was in every way that I could tell, even though the calibration was done against the Neve and not the ST130. I know people say the Neve and ST130 are very close fabrics and my experience confirms that for me. But despite how close they are, the difference was enormous for me, because the screen ripples are finally gone. The result is just stunning. It looks so good I am constantly distracted from actually watching the movie I'm trying to watch.

Thanks AV Science, Mike, and Stewart! I can't imagine ever needing to buy another HT screen. But I know where I'll be telling my friends to shop.

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My motorized 123" Stewart Luxus screen will not lower anymore. I've checked the 115V power and 12V trigger. I've tried tapping numerous times. Nothing. It's in a recessed ceiling and is way too heavy to move. Any suggestions?
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My motorized 123" Stewart Luxus screen will not lower anymore. I've checked the 115V power and 12V trigger. I've tried tapping numerous times. Nothing. It's in a recessed ceiling and is way too heavy to move. Any suggestions?


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After plugging and unplugging everything repeatedly, and banging on the screen case, it finally did lower itself.
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After plugging and unplugging everything repeatedly, and banging on the screen case, it finally did lower itself.
May want to check the connections inside the case if made during installation..
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Is is possible to purchase some ST130 screen material without the frame? I have a nice frame from SeymourAV and I would rather keep the frame but change the screen material for the ST130.
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Is is possible to purchase some ST130 screen material without the frame? I have a nice frame from SeymourAV and I would rather keep the frame but change the screen material for the ST130.
Do you have a Stewart dealer there ? You would need to ask them.
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