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Hey Chris! Any more thought about a retrofit motorized masking system for those of us with your older motorized scope screens? Also, is there any way for the Harmony Hub to control the RF on the screen motor? Any kind of converter?

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Seymour AV pricing of the new Proscenium motorized masking frame is up. Next I'll work on the product information section in the masking page. When I get the crate back from CEDIA I can take prettier pictures.

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I see the pricing for the Proscenium motorized masking frame is up but is the product info? The only thing I see on the masking page are the manual fixed panels and the retractable masking screens. I am under the impression the Proscenium is for a fixed frame. Is that correct or is it a retractable? If it for fixed screen, when will the product info be online or is there something you can send me regarding the product. I am very close to being ready to order a screen and had previously planned on fixed panels but I may want to go with motorized if the Proscenium will work.
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Hey Chris! Any more thought about a retrofit motorized masking system for those of us with your older motorized scope screens? Also, is there any way for the Harmony Hub to control the RF on the screen motor? Any kind of converter?
It's on the list, just lower in priority than what we've been working on. Next is a retractable non-AT screen design and commercial-sized masking system.

I don't know of any third-party vendors that can control RF systems. I know some vehicles can learn your garage RF remote, but they're designed to specifically learn those addresses, etc. All universals I know of simply use RF as a carrier within their ecosystem.

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I see the pricing for the Proscenium motorized masking frame is up but is the product info? The only thing I see on the masking page are the manual fixed panels and the retractable masking screens. I am under the impression the Proscenium is for a fixed frame. Is that correct or is it a retractable? If it for fixed screen, when will the product info be online or is there something you can send me regarding the product. I am very close to being ready to order a screen and had previously planned on fixed panels but I may want to go with motorized if the Proscenium will work.
It's on the to-do list for sure. This weekend I got up information on the SSE page here: http://www.seymourscreenexcellence.com/trim.asp The only difference is the availability of screen materials (the S-AV version will be the grommet/o-ring style materials only), online availability, and the S-AV version will include a basic RF remote control and wall switch. You can still get however high-end controls you like, so if you really want thousands of intermediate stops available while you're being driven home you could get that.

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Howdy all, considering a Seymour Screen to save some money over a Stewart and have heard good things, however I can't find much info on the Glacier White material vs. the Stewart StudioTek 130 G3. I want/need a 1.3 gain screen to take advantage of HDR, with minimal sparkling/artifacts with a fine/smooth enough surface to resolve 4K. Searching this long there there's only one mention of the Glacier White and it doesn't give much info. I do NOT need an AT screen.

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Could anyone point me to a good (detailed) set of instructions for a DIY acoustically transparent screen using the Center Stage XD material? Thanks!!


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Could anyone point me to a good (detailed) set of instructions for a DIY acoustically transparent screen using the Center Stage XD material? Thanks!!
From the Seymour site: http://www.seymourav.com/articles/DIYFixedFrame.pdf
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Has anyone tried building this with a narrower frame? Could I get away with 1" x 3" or 1" x 2" for a 135" screen?


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Has anyone tried building this with a narrower frame? Could I get away with 1" x 3" or 1" x 2" for a 135" screen?
You were thinking something like this maybe?

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If you go thin with the frame members, then as David points to you'll need to shore up its stiffness in other ways. You can easily add 1/3 and 2/3 center supports. You may also add corner triangles. Remember anything behind the image must be matte black. Going to metal obviously helps, or some folks will stiffen up the wood bits with metal bars like Jamestown does on their frames.

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Looks like an awful lot of ambient light in that space. Maybe I should plan on an ALR screen.


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If you go thin with the frame members, then as David points to you'll need to shore up its stiffness in other ways. You can easily add 1/3 and 2/3 center supports. You may also add corner triangles. Remember anything behind the image must be matte black. Going to metal obviously helps, or some folks will stiffen up the wood bits with metal bars like Jamestown does on their frames.



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Thank Chris! I'm thinking maybe a 1" x 3" with two center supports. I figure I could just wrap those center pieces in the same black fabric as the outer frame? I'm also assuming I could use a cheaper wood for the center supports since perfect straightness is less essential for these two pieces?

BTW, my reason for this is that I'm thinking the thinner frame will look nicer. Then again, maybe it won't.


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BTW, my reason for this is that I'm thinking the thinner frame will look nicer. Then again, maybe it won't.

Depending on how you build it you can have thicker pieces but a thin bezel. You could even build a frameless screen.

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So, I'm making a screen using the Gallo DIY instructions from the Seymour AV site. I had the local millwork shop cut a route the boards for me. Unfortunately, they forgot to chamfer the inside edge. How big a deal is this? Should I forge ahead and assemble the frame without the chamfer, or delay the project to have it done?

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Since it's velvet wrapped, likely only you will notice any difference. It's a bit more sophisticated to have the image-side edge tapered or chamfered, as it will look less like cheap block frames, but it's purely aesthetic and you'll be the only one that knows. Whether it's worth the hassle of having it done I can't say. Some folks have kit at home and can do it in ten minutes, maybe your millwork shop is an easy detour, or maybe like those in LA simply asking them to go buy 8-32 screws is like asking them to retrieve something from the Mars Lander.

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Since it's velvet wrapped, likely only you will notice any difference. It's a bit more sophisticated to have the image-side edge tapered or chamfered, as it will look less like cheap block frames, but it's purely aesthetic and you'll be the only one that knows. Whether it's worth the hassle of having it done I can't say. Some folks have kit at home and can do it in ten minutes, maybe your millwork shop is an easy detour, or maybe like those in LA simply asking them to go buy 8-32 screws is like asking them to retrieve something from the Mars Lander.



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So, I decided to try adding the chamfer myself. First pass was with a table saw. It was kind of a mess.

Next up, I went and bought a router with a chamfer bit. It took a few passes, and made a much bigger mess in my work room than I had expected, but I got much closer.

A little wood putty successfuly fixed an accident from the table saw experiment.

Finally, a thorough sanding with my disc sander and some 220 grit paper and it almost looked like I knew what was doing. LOL.


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What is the best/safest way to clean one of these retractable screens? Mine is 7-8 years old and has lots of small bugs squashed on the visible area. Distilled water and a soft cloth?
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What is the best/safest way to clean one of these retractable screens? Mine is 7-8 years old and has lots of small bugs squashed on the visible area. Distilled water and a soft cloth?
Assuming you have a pvc-coated material like the Center Stage XD, I'd get soapy water, a toothbrush and have someone else place a hand behind where you're going to scrub so you don't put too much denting pressure on the material. Repeat with water and possibly blot dry with a towel. Should do the trick, or you can kick the cleaner up to a Windex like and then rinse it out afterwards. Beyond that you should talk to us for the really aggressive stuff.

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Matinee Black material only for DIY?

Hey Chris, since you appear to monitor this thread:


Any chance you'll be making the Matinee Black ALR material-only available for DIY folks, like you do with your CenterStage product?
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We've only done a couple orders where we were convinced that their technique would yield satisfactory results. The problem is that this highly reflective surface is simply not friendly to DIY techniques. I'd never use a wood frame or staples and it's difficult enough to implement in the application that I feel that our fixed frame screens are literally the minimum viable product.

If your plan is aggressive enough that we think you'll be happy, we can make an exception. I just want to maximize the satisfaction of folks' experience with our products, as our pride in what we do is greatly influenced by it.

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It is called the Trim. Saw it at CEDIA. Looked like a nice low cost powered masking system. As far as powered masking systems go. Also available in a Screen Excellence version, so you can get it with Screen Excellence fabrics, like Neo or EN4K.
Hi @Mike Garrett , what are your thoughts on powered masking systems?

I quoted you in the "the blacker the theater, the better the image" thread, but I don't think you saw it so I am reposting my questions here.

Unless any new and improved acoustically transparent screen materials come out by the time I am finished putting together my home theatre room, I am planning on getting the Seymour Screen Excellence NEO material in a fixed frame.

I just don't know yet if I will go with manual masking panels or the TRIM motorized masking system.

What do you think about the manual masking panels versus the TRIM motorized masking system? Do you favour one over the other? If so, why?

When you write "As far as powered masking systems go," it sounds like you might favour manual masking so I am curious how you will comment on this topic.



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Assuming you have a pvc-coated material like the Center Stage XD, I'd get soapy water, a toothbrush and have someone else place a hand behind where you're going to scrub so you don't put too much denting pressure on the material. Repeat with water and possibly blot dry with a towel. Should do the trick, or you can kick the cleaner up to a Windex like and then rinse it out afterwards. Beyond that you should talk to us for the really aggressive stuff.

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Hi Chris, thanks for the quick reply. The bugs are all small stuff. So I'll try the soapy water and toothbrush, maybe even just water and the brush to see what happens. Ken
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Hi @Mike Garrett , what are your thoughts on powered masking systems?

I quoted you in the "the blacker the theater, the better the image" thread, but I don't think you saw it so I am reposting my questions here.

Unless any new and improved acoustically transparent screen materials come out by the time I am finished putting together my home theatre room, I am planning on getting the Seymour Screen Excellence NEO material in a fixed frame.

I just don't know yet if I will go with manual masking panels or the TRIM motorized masking system.

What do you think about the manual masking panels versus the TRIM motorized masking system? Do you favour one over the other? If so, why?

When you write "As far as powered masking systems go," it sounds like you might favour manual masking so I am curious how you will comment on this topic.
Sorry, did not see the other posts. No, I actually favor powered masking systems. I own one. In an evening, I can switch aspect ratios several times and for me, it would be a pain to install and remove the manual panels. This would be less of an issue for someone that put on one movie and then was finished for the evening, but it does not work for me.
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Sorry, did not see the other posts. No, I actually favor powered masking systems. I own one. In an evening, I can switch aspect ratios several times and for me, it would be a pain to install and remove the manual panels. This would be less of an issue for someone that put on one movie and then was finished for the evening, but it does not work for me.
What masking system do you own? It seems that people either go the DIY route... or the only somewhat affordable option now is the Seymour Trim/Proscenium frame. The only problem with Seymour is that for several months now, they said they would release more information, but they have not done so....
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I’m thinking about getting one of the new ust projectors to replace my plasma in my living room. Something close to 100 inch screen. Not any bigger. I need acoustically transparent frameless. Are you guys making anything yet for these type of projectors. Epson ls100. I use one of your screens in my theater room and love it.

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The thinnest fixed frame screen we have is the new Metro, at 1.5"w. If you check out the assembly manual we recently added you can see the robust subframe the screen mounts to and the removable velvet trim. If it were me, I'd stay with that thin sliver of velvet, as aligning UST projectors is especially difficult. The tiniest of movement changes the overscan dramatically and they typically lack optical shift and zoom controls like normal projectors.

For acoustically transparent UST, you'd definitely want to go with the Center Stage UF, or if you can swing higher the new Enlightor-Neo in the S-SE line would be perfectly smooth. You could check out samples prior to committing, too.

If you really want zero edge, there are a couple options. We could front-wrap a Premier frame like a canvas. We could supply a Craftsman series kit from the S-SE line that would have its grip channel out on the very edge of your DIY frame, which could be trimmed or hidden. Or you could of course go totally DIY with the Center Stage UF and just get the material.

Getting that plasma acoustically transparent is quite the limitation, eh?

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The thinnest fixed frame screen we have is the new Metro, at 1.5"w. If you check out the assembly manual we recently added you can see the robust subframe the screen mounts to and the removable velvet trim. If it were me, I'd stay with that thin sliver of velvet, as aligning UST projectors is especially difficult. The tiniest of movement changes the overscan dramatically and they typically lack optical shift and zoom controls like normal projectors.



For acoustically transparent UST, you'd definitely want to go with the Center Stage UF, or if you can swing higher the new Enlightor-Neo in the S-SE line would be perfectly smooth. You could check out samples prior to committing, too.



If you really want zero edge, there are a couple options. We could front-wrap a Premier frame like a canvas. We could supply a Craftsman series kit from the S-SE line that would have its grip channel out on the very edge of your DIY frame, which could be trimmed or hidden. Or you could of course go totally DIY with the Center Stage UF and just get the material.



Getting that plasma acoustically transparent is quite the limitation, eh?



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Thanks for taking time to explain. I’ll e-mail you guys in January when this project will take place.


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how many hangers does the H100 premier frame use?

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I will be purchasing a H100 (100" wide image, 106.7" wide including frame) Premier frame and XD screen shortly. I am currently building the frame which will have hinges at the top. The hinged supporting frame and the Premier H100 screen/screen frame that it rest on can be "opened" upwards. I want to ensure the hinge location does not interfere with the placement of the screen hangers. So as per the title:

Does the H100 use two 18" hangers or one 30" hanger?

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Standard is one 30" hanger for that size. If you'd prefer two 18" hangers, just let us know and we'll change the order.

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