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Hi chriscmore, a few questions for when you get a moment pls.

Proscenium motorised masking. It looks great and there's one thing that would likely convince me to start saving for one. How does the electric masking work alongside the magnetic masks - does it slide under them? If so, would it be possible to have the magnetic masks take a 150" 16:9 screen down to scope, then have the electric masks take that back to a smaller 16:9? I'm after a solution for variable aspect movies.

Re. Center Stage XD - does the size of the screen have any influence on how visible the weave is? I'm guessing not, but would like some assurance. Everything I've read suggests 11' or over is fine and we'd be watching at 12' at either 130"-140" wide scope, or 150" 16:9.

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The optional magnetic masking panels fit in front of the motorized masks, inside the edge of the velvet fascia. In theory we can do what you're asking for, but it'd be a first. Normally we're providing the magnetic panels in a Proscenium build to get 1.33 or do an inexpensive 4-way system.

The visibility of the XD texture is just a function of viewing distance and one's personal acuity to it. The general consensus is about 11', but we have both happy customers at 8' and people who can see it at 14'. To determine if you're good at 12', I'd suggest a sample. If it were me, I'd go with UF at 12'.

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The optional magnetic masking panels fit in front of the motorized masks, inside the edge of the velvet fascia. In theory we can do what you're asking for, but it'd be a first. Normally we're providing the magnetic panels in a Proscenium build to get 1.33 or do an inexpensive 4-way system.

The visibility of the XD texture is just a function of viewing distance and one's personal acuity to it. The general consensus is about 11', but we have both happy customers at 8' and people who can see it at 14'. To determine if you're good at 12', I'd suggest a sample. If it were me, I'd go with UF at 12'.

Cheers,
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Thanks, Chris. Much appreciated! If we go with the screen size we want, we're right at the cusp re. brightness, so would want the gain. Samples sound like a sensible plan.

I'll bear that in mind re. the Proscenium. It seems the best of all worlds to me - CIH with the option for variable imax (or just massive 19:9 for giggles )

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Has anyone seen the Glacier White PS material in the wild? I can't see a neutral gain screen on the website and this looks like Seymour's non AT white option. If so, any sheen at all? I'm torn between two room configurations - one that has room for an false wall/AT screen and one that doesn't - and want to stick with Seymour for their masking options. I notice the sheen on Studiotech 130 material and wouldn't want that.
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Hello - Just stumbled across these screens on the Epson 5050 board. Was just about to pull the trigger on a Silver Ticket 135" Woven Acoustic.

Don't know if I can get a good unbiased answer here but will try - is there or would I notice a big step up in paying for a $1500 Seymour screen versus a $500 Silver ticket screen?

Room is pretty dark but we only use the projector at night time, so it's totally dark by then.

Epson 5050 projector will be set up 15-16' away from the screen, which would go in approximately the black rectangle as pictured.

More choices to paralyze my decision making - thanks for any help and suggestions.

Behind is a white wall and white cabinets as you can see, so was considering the added black. Current screen is 90"
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I love my Seymour XD AT 130” 2.35 screen! Worth every penny.
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I am super happy with mine too. I just installed it this weekend. It is a custom 154" wide 2.40:1 screen with Glacier White material and magnetic side masking panels for 16:9. Screen diagonal is 166" (2.40:1) and 130" (16:9).

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I am super happy with mine too. I just installed it this weekend. It is a custom 154" wide 2.40:1 screen with Glacier White material and magnetic side masking panels for 16:9. Screen diagonal is 166" (2.40:1) and 130" (16:9).

Looks great KC. What frame did you get and is the length a single or split frame piece.

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Looks great KC. What frame did you get and is the length a single or split frame piece.
It is the Premier frame.....each side is a single piece.
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KC man I’m love your theater! I’m looking at the same chairs. And that carpet looks great!

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Great theater! I really like how you hid the projector, and the dark ceiling and acoustic panels are too often overlooked details. Once you're used to masking the unused portions of your screen, you'll never tolerate unmasked screens.

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I am super happy with mine too. I just installed it this weekend. It is a custom 154" wide 2.40:1 screen with Glacier White material and magnetic side masking panels for 16:9. Screen diagonal is 166" (2.40:1) and 130" (16:9).

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Very nice! Where did you get the rug?
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Very nice! Where did you get the rug?
Thanks. I ordered the area rug from HTMarket.
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I don't know what size of screen I shall get for my AT retractable screen.
I building my new room now and I will have these dimensions. The room is far from ready and will be rather light controlled when Im finished.

-The front speakers will be 11,8 feet apart (middle of tweeter to middle of tweeter).

-Viewing distance (if the screen is around 3-4 inch from the speakers) will be 13,6 feet.

-The projector will be behind the wall, about 18 feet from the screen.

I will probably go for a 2.10:1 screen for my need.

If I go for a 140 inch screen, I probably could get that with a case (a friend have that) and my Sony hw-55 (and future JVC?) will zoom that with no problem.
But the screen will not cover my speakers fully.

If I go for a 150 inch, I will not get that with a case, and with some projectors, I need to zoom out a lot to fill the screen.
But I will cover my speakers and get a bigger picture.

Any suggestions?
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I don't know what size of screen I shall get for my AT retractable screen.
I building my new room now and I will have these dimensions. The room is far from ready and will be rather light controlled when Im finished.

-The front speakers will be 11,8 feet apart (middle of tweeter to middle of tweeter).

-Viewing distance (if the screen is around 3-4 inch from the speakers) will be 13,6 feet.

-The projector will be behind the wall, about 18 feet from the screen.

I will probably go for a 2.10:1 screen for my need.

If I go for a 140 inch screen, I probably could get that with a case (a friend have that) and my Sony hw-55 (and future JVC?) will zoom that with no problem.
But the screen will not cover my speakers fully.

If I go for a 150 inch, I will not get that with a case, and with some projectors, I need to zoom out a lot to fill the screen.
But I will cover my speakers and get a bigger picture.

Any suggestions?
I'd recommend staying inside the L/R speakers. At your 13.6' viewing distance, a 140" wide image will be 46.4 degrees, which is larger than guidelines. Since 140"w is pushing what your projector can properly light up, that's another vote for not pushing it larger.

Generally speaking, the 40-45 degree wide recommended viewing angle and the 60 degree wide recommended L/R listening angle should cause most installations to size the screen to be inside the L/R channels. This is what we do in our demo theater and in the new theaters we're building we'll only include the L/R in the screen area when we can have oversized, masked screen sizes.

If you're up to it, I'd recommend darkening your ceiling color a few shades if the boss allows. Any darkening will dramatically improve your contrast ratio. Also, you might look into getting an anamorphic lens to get your light output up a bit.

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Hi @chriscmore ...I am weighing screen choices and have a couple of questions related to the Glacier White PS...

1) When was this screen material developed?

2) What does the benchmark gain of 1.3 vs unbenchmark gain of 1.1 refer to? Is this designed gain vs actual gain?

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Hi @chriscmore ...I am weighing screen choices and have a couple of questions related to the Glacier White PS...

1) When was this screen material developed?

2) What does the benchmark gain of 1.3 vs unbenchmark gain of 1.1 refer to? Is this designed gain vs actual gain?

Thanks.
The perfectly-smooth (PS) versions of our Glacier Gray and White screens were released last summer.

Unbenchmarked rating ignores other screens and is useful for calculating a FtL figure.

Benchmarked gains mean when compared to other screens except Stewart, you can approximately judge whether the brightness (of both white and black levels) from one screen will be higher or lower when coming from another screen. Every screen company except Stewart has no idea how to properly measure gain and they think they can simply release some marketing number. Benchmarking means we take our screen and roughly compare to the basket of lying weasels.

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The perfectly-smooth (PS) versions of our Glacier Gray and White screens were released last summer.

Unbenchmarked rating ignores other screens and is useful for calculating a FtL figure.

Benchmarked gains mean when compared to other screens except Stewart, you can approximately judge whether the brightness (of both white and black levels) from one screen will be higher or lower when coming from another screen. Every screen company except Stewart has no idea how to properly measure gain and they think they can simply release some marketing number. Benchmarking means we take our screen and roughly compare to the basket of lying weasels.

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Hi Chris...thanks for the response. I have only had a Stewart Firehawk screen before, so I am actually trying to compare screen gains against the Stewart ST100 and ST130, which were the screens I initially thought to get.

Maybe a better question would be how does the new Glacier White material compare to the old Glacier White material as far as screen gain goes? The same?

I have been using the AccuCal Screen Material report from late 2016 as a reference source. The report stated that the Seymour AV Glacier White, that was being formulated at that time, had a published gain of 1.1. JM got an actual on-axis gain of 1.05, which is pretty close, and an 18% off-axis gain of 1.02, which is great!

Basically, I am trying to figure out how the gain of the new GW material compares to the ST100 and/or fits within the scheme of the overall AccuCal report.

Thanks.
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I am super happy with mine too. I just installed it this weekend. It is a custom 154" wide 2.40:1 screen with Glacier White material and magnetic side masking panels for 16:9. Screen diagonal is 166" (2.40:1) and 130" (16:9).

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Really nice. How close do you sit to the screen?

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I'd recommend staying inside the L/R speakers. At your 13.6' viewing distance, a 140" wide image will be 46.4 degrees, which is larger than guidelines. Since 140"w is pushing what your projector can properly light up, that's another vote for not pushing it larger.

Generally speaking, the 40-45 degree wide recommended viewing angle and the 60 degree wide recommended L/R listening angle should cause most installations to size the screen to be inside the L/R channels. This is what we do in our demo theater and in the new theaters we're building we'll only include the L/R in the screen area when we can have oversized, masked screen sizes.

If you're up to it, I'd recommend darkening your ceiling color a few shades if the boss allows. Any darkening will dramatically improve your contrast ratio. Also, you might look into getting an anamorphic lens to get your light output up a bit.

Cheers,
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Thank. I was looking what Epson TW-9400 could do. And on a 150" screen, I could get at least 20 ft. I will think a little more about it.

Yes, the walls and floor will have dark fabric. I don't know what I will do with the ceiling. Paint the first 6,5 fett from the screen black? But then again, that is not as black as black velvet. If I could do a retractable black velvet ceiling "screen" I could only use when I watch a movie.

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Is it possible with magnetic masking panels on retractable screens?

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Really nice. How close do you sit to the screen?
It’s 13’
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Hi, KCWolfPck

Did you notice a difference in PQ coming from your Carada screen to the Glacier White? Also, did you see any visual artefacts, sparkle/shimmering, wide viewing angle, hotspotting etc thanks?


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Did you notice a difference in PQ coming from your Carada screen to the Glacier White? Also, did you see any visual artefacts, sparkle/shimmering, wide viewing angle, hotspotting etc thanks?
I haven't had the Carada screen for many years, so I can't give a direct comparison. I haven't noticed any artifacts, sparkle, shimmering, or hotspotting with the Glacier White screen. The picture looks really good, even from a wide viewing angle. We are setting up a game table in the empty space over by the window...the screen looks great from there....even with lights on it is very watchable.
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We don't have a detachable panel option for retractable screens, because they're just too risky. One roll-up with the panels not removed would likely affect the screen and they're not easily replaceable. We do have dual-roller retractable screens with motorized masking as an option. It's larger, heavier, and costlier, but it's the bees knees.

The Glacier White PS will end up measuring about the same gain as the previous version Jeff tested. I think he's had a sample to test, as I know I sent him the Enlightor-Neo when it was developed. It would compare well with the ST100, as it doesn't have the high-gain elements that the ST130 has on it.

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The perfectly-smooth (PS) versions of our Glacier Gray and White screens were released last summer.

Unbenchmarked rating ignores other screens and is useful for calculating a FtL figure.

Benchmarked gains mean when compared to other screens except Stewart, you can approximately judge whether the brightness (of both white and black levels) from one screen will be higher or lower when coming from another screen. Every screen company except Stewart has no idea how to properly measure gain and they think they can simply release some marketing number. Benchmarking means we take our screen and roughly compare to the basket of lying weasels.

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Hi Chris.

I usually do not comment on other screen companies threads, but that being said, I can not agree with you more on your comment, "Every screen company except Stewart has no idea how to properly measure gain and they think they can simply release some marketing number. Bench marking means we take our screen and roughly compare to the basket of lying weasels". I see so called screen specification numbers published by other screen companies, mainly of Asian origin, that defy the physics of light. Anyway, rant over. Carry on.

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Nice, around how close I will sit. No problem with such a big screen?

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It would compare well with the ST100, as it doesn't have the high-gain elements that the ST130 has on it.

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Interesttng. Does that mean there is no sheen or sparkles with the material?
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We don't have a detachable panel option for retractable screens, because they're just too risky. One roll-up with the panels not removed would likely affect the screen and they're not easily replaceable. We do have dual-roller retractable screens with motorized masking as an option. It's larger, heavier, and costlier, but it's the bees knees.

The Glacier White PS will end up measuring about the same gain as the previous version Jeff tested. I think he's had a sample to test, as I know I sent him the Enlightor-Neo when it was developed. It would compare well with the ST100, as it doesn't have the high-gain elements that the ST130 has on it.

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Hey Chris! Any progress on a retrofit masking solution for us Seymour AV retractable owners?

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Interesttng. Does that mean there is no sheen or sparkles with the material?

I have samples of all of Seymour's materials (thanks Jon!) and there's no sheen, sparkle, or any other visible artifact with any of the solid screens.
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I have samples of all of Seymour's materials (thanks Jon!) and there's no sheen, sparkle, or any other visible artifact with any of the solid screens.
Cheers Jonny. Sounds encouraging! Did you get a chance to measure gain on any of these?
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