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Time for another 3D thread?

This thread was already derailed once with Panasonic smoothscreen debates.

3D PJ threads:
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082173
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1042186
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941636


Lets keep this thread exclusively about the PLV-Z3000, please.
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I agree. Let's hear more about the Z3000. Very interested in this one. No interest in 3D.
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What has been the problem rate with the other sanyo pjs and their waranty policy, do they pay to ship bad units, or must the consumer?

I keep reading of problems with dust blobs, convergence and such for the AE3000, but haven't seen any for the other Sanyo models, which makes me think they have a pretty good design. I know I asked in another thread if the little blower worked good for the blobs and got some positve response.

I'm still suprised that they left the max lumens again at 1200 when the other pjs seem to go higher, which is nice for some ambient lght.
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What has been the problem rate with the other sanyo pjs and their waranty policy, do they pay to ship bad units, or must the consumer?

I keep reading of problems with dust blobs, convergence and such for the AE3000, but haven't seen any for the other Sanyo models, which makes me think they have a pretty good design. I know I asked in another thread if the little blower worked good for the blobs and got some positve response.

I'm still suprised that they left the max lumens again at 1200 when the other pjs seem to go higher, which is nice for some ambient lght.

Sanyo has a 3 year repair-only warranty, Sanyo pays all freight. Sanyo promises fast turn-around under warranty, no more than 3 days at their service facilities, and, according to them, more typically 24-48 hours.
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I'm still not sure why you need 120Hz. If we're going to see 3D movies on Blu-ray in the fairly near future they will probably have to be encoded as 1080p60, so that it can work within the current spec. with only the minimum changes to Blu-ray players. I could be wrong but I don't think the movie industry is too interested in PCs, and 3D movies will have to work with current Blu-ray technology, or with only very minor changes to it.

I'm more interested in 3D for games. The refresh rate of 120hz is needed for the shutter glasses tech, not for content (be it movies or games).
You have 2 eye and the image is split in two, the shutter blocks 1 eye and the other with the speed of 60hz for each so there will be 120hz for both eyes. if it is less you will notice and there will be flickering. So you needs this for any this particular tech for any content with these glasses. It's nice to get sanyo z3000 for 2d movies and be able to get 3D as a bonus. Upgrading from z5 to any 1080p makes sense for me if it gets me more then just res and contrast (z5 is 1100lm so there is no brightness benefit in this case).
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I'm a little confused on the short throw and 2X zoom description.I need a 16.5' shelf mount shooting to a 125" 2.35 ar screen...will this work?
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I'm a little confused on the short throw and 2X zoom description.I need a 16.5' shelf mount shooting to a 125" 2.35 ar screen...will this work?

Sure thing, at 16.5' feet you'd set the lens to roughly 1.74x zoom.
You'll of course need to add an external anamorphic lens. The Z3000 has built-in Vertical Stretch.
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Time for another 3D thread?

This thread was already derailed once with Panasonic smoothscreen debates.

3D PJ threads:
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082173
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1042186
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941636


Lets keep this thread exclusively about the PLV-Z3000, please.

Sorry missed this one,
OK let's agree on this, if you come across the manual could you check the resolution and refresh rate supported?
Thanks
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Sorry missed this one,
OK let's agree on this, if you come across the manual could you check the resolution and refresh rate supported?
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The manual has been posted:
http://us.sanyo.com/dynamic/product/...M-24971155.pdf

It shows the max input at [email protected] (page 56/60)
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Thanks for posting the manual.

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The manual has been posted:
http://us.sanyo.com/dynamic/product/...M-24971155.pdf

It shows the max input at [email protected] (page 56/60)

Now it's clear for me, thanks a lot. Sanyo Z3000 will not support Nvidia 3D stereo shutter glasses.
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Now it's clear for me, thanks a lot. Sanyo Z3000 will not support Nvidia 3D stereo shutter glasses.

That's what I was saying, NONE of the 120Hz LCD projectors accept a 120Hz signal. Maybe put off buying a projector for another year or two.
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What has been the problem rate with the other sanyo pjs and their waranty policy, do they pay to ship bad units, or must the consumer?

I keep reading of problems with dust blobs, convergence and such for the AE3000, but haven't seen any for the other Sanyo models, which makes me think they have a pretty good design. I know I asked in another thread if the little blower worked good for the blobs and got some positve response.

I'm still suprised that they left the max lumens again at 1200 when the other pjs seem to go higher, which is nice for some ambient lght.

Well for my experience. I had a AE500 witch had Dust Blob at 1000 hours. My Z5 never had (upto 2000 hours, i sold it), and my Z2000 doesn't show any at 600 hours..

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I keep reading of problems with dust blobs, convergence and such for the AE3000, but haven't seen any for the other Sanyo models, which makes me think they have a pretty good design. I know I asked in another thread if the little blower worked good for the blobs and got some positve response.

The blower system that Sanyo has works great, and I've wondered before why other makers don't have a similar system in place.
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Sanyo has a 3 year repair-only warranty, Sanyo pays all freight. Sanyo promises fast turn-around under warranty, no more than 3 days at their service facilities, and, according to them, more typically 24-48 hours.

That is pretty good...when you listed how much more expensive the projector is in Japan, you neglected to mention that it only comes with a one year warranty over here.

Enjoying my second TW4000 and my new screen.
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The blower system that Sanyo has works great, and I've wondered before why other makers don't have a similar system in place.
That is pretty good...when you listed how much more expensive the projector is in Japan, you neglected to mention that it only comes with a one year warranty over here.

Gahhh, it boggles my mind that all these Japanese manufactured electronics don't have international warranties. My Fujitsu notebook that I bought in Yokohama was under warranty here in the states. I had to send it off to Texas to their international warranty repair center, but none-the-less I got free repair service in my country in which I reside.


There aren't many products still made in Japan these days, sadly. The ones that are, are usually rock solid and deserve the company's confidence to carry an international warranty in this day and age of mass international commerce.
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Gahhh, it boggles my mind that all these Japanese manufactured electronics don't have international warranties. My Fujitsu notebook that I bought in Yokohama was under warranty here in the states. I had to send it off to Texas to their international warranty repair center, but none-the-less I got free repair service in my country in which I reside.


There aren't many products still made in Japan these days, sadly. The ones that are, are usually rock solid and deserve the company's confidence to carry an international warranty in this day and age of mass international commerce.

Tell me about it. Whether I wanted the AE3000, Z3000, or TW4000, all three are much cheaper in the states, and the Sanyo and Epson would both have better warranties. I know Japanese people are willing to pay a premium to buy Japanese, but my (not rock solid) TW4000 clearly says "Made in CHINA" on the bottom. (Yes, they wrote China in all capital letters)

Enjoying my second TW4000 and my new screen.
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Tell me about it. Whether I wanted the AE3000, Z3000, or TW4000, all three are much cheaper in the states, and the Sanyo and Epson would both have better warranties. I know Japanese people are willing to pay a premium to buy Japanese, but my (not rock solid) TW4000 clearly says "Made in CHINA" on the bottom. (Yes, they wrote China in all capital letters)

That was not always the case. When I bought my first 4 projectors, it was cheaper to import them from Japan than buying within Canada or import from the U.S. I am not sure what has changed (perhaps the surging yen), but it is now far more expensive to import from Japan to Canada, even though there is no duty on home theater projectors.
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Tell me about it. Whether I wanted the AE3000, Z3000, or TW4000, all three are much cheaper in the states, and the Sanyo and Epson would both have better warranties. I know Japanese people are willing to pay a premium to buy Japanese, but my (not rock solid) TW4000 clearly says "Made in CHINA" on the bottom. (Yes, they wrote China in all capital letters)

Made in China? Outsourced at these prices, Really? :/
Both the Z3000 & AE3000 were boldly advertised as MIJ.
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Read the manual. Nothing too interesting on there. Hopefully reviews coming soon...this is the one I'm waiting for! *crosses fingers for fast processing*

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This PJ has me the most interested of all of them. My only worry is the brightness. I hope the actual lumens is closer to Sanyo's stated lumens than it is for the other companies.
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This PJ has me the most interested of all of them. My only worry is the brightness. I hope the actual lumens is closer to Sanyo's stated lumens than it is for the other companies.

thats whats I was wondering about. As someone pointed out, in its normal mode it puts out in the average range as the others, but in its brightest, it looks like it might lack. For those of us willing to give up some blacks to have a reading light on, or watching during the day, those extra lumens really help.
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Found this in the review of the Sony HW10:

Sony VPL-HW10 vs. Sanyo PLV-Z3000

"The Sanyo PLV-Z3000 projector for review just arrived. Having viewed it for only a couple of hours, I'm not prepared to offer an accurate comparision. Instead look for the comparision in the Sanyo PLV-Z3000's competitors section, when it publishes later this week. In short, however, the Sanyo is less bright in best mode, and brighter in brightest (a real surprise). The Z3000 has the edge in terms of sharpness

The PLV-Z3000 offers more placement flexibility in terms of both lens shift and zoom range, and comes with an extra year warranty. All that and the Sanyo sells for less than the Sony VPL-HW10."

Link: http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony...ompetitors.php
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That makes the Sony still a little soft compared to the sharpest projectors out there, such as the InFocus IN83, most Optoma's and the Mitsubishi 1080p projectors. The Sanyo PLV-Z3000, (which arrived yesterday, but hasn't been viewed yet, will fit into the sharper group as well (even their low cost PLV-Z700 is sharper than the Sony.

From Arts review.

Also, does anyone know what the benefit of 5-5 pulldown vs. 4-4 pulldown is? The epson 6500 does 4-4 while the Sanyo does 5-5.
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From Arts review.

Also, does anyone know what the benefit of 5-5 pulldown vs. 4-4 pulldown is? The epson 6500 does 4-4 while the Sanyo does 5-5.

The difference between 4-4 @ 96Hz and 5-5 @ 120Hz is probably negligible.
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Look for a real first look blog tonight, about the Sanyo PLV-Z3000! There actually have been a few surprises! -art


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I really wish there were concrete video input lag numbers for the Sanyo Z3000, Epson 6500, and Sony HW10! I am literally going nuts trying to decide between these 3, and having concrete video input lag numbers would make my decision much easier.... for the life of me, I do not understand why reviewers have been ignoring this aspect of their reviews...

I am on the AVS Epson 6500 pre-order list, but if the Sanyo Z3000 is noticeable better with respect to video input lag, I might just get the Sanyo...

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I really wish there were concrete video input lag numbers for the Sanyo Z3000, Epson 6500, and Sony HW10! I am literally going nuts trying to decide between these 3, and having concrete video input lag numbers would make my decision much easier.... for the life of me, I do not understand why reviewers have been ignoring this aspect of their reviews...

I am on the AVS Epson 6500 pre-order list, but if the Sanyo Z3000 is noticeable better with respect to video input lag, I might just get the Sanyo...

Well, for what it's worth, the Sanyo Z3000 is using the same Pixelworks DNX video processing as previous fast projectors that were great for gaming (Sanyo Z2000, Epson 1080UB, and just about the majority of older/lower res Epson PJs.)
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I really wish there were concrete video input lag numbers for the Sanyo Z3000, Epson 6500, and Sony HW10! I am literally going nuts trying to decide between these 3, and having concrete video input lag numbers would make my decision much easier.... for the life of me, I do not understand why reviewers have been ignoring this aspect of their reviews...

I am on the AVS Epson 6500 pre-order list, but if the Sanyo Z3000 is noticeable better with respect to video input lag, I might just get the Sanyo...

I am on the same boat...

I am thinking the Epson may be the better all-around alternative, but I really have no hard evidence to back that up.

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I was in the same boat regarding the Sony,Sanyo, & Epson. I finally decided on the Epson because of the quality of their service. I have owned a Sanyo in the past and their service was very bad. There were threads on this in previous years.
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ResOGlas..Thank's for the reply! Is their any reason that I couldn't just use the zoom method instead of an anamorphic lense? JB
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