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Has anyone that has seen this at CES, also seen the BenQ W5000/20000? Interested in your comparison.

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Has anyone that has seen this at CES, also seen the BenQ W5000/20000? Interested in your comparison.

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See Benq thread.
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See Benq thread.

coolrda,

I see in the Benq thread that you also have an HD72. How does the 8200 compare to that?

I'm curious since I currently have the H77 and I'm wondering if the 8200 is worth the upgrade.
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I am reading specs like DC3 and 220 Watt bulb...that are the specs of the Planar 8150. The optoma seems to bring more features and flexibility with is, but from a pure pictur quality: Di you believe it will be much different to the Planar (which git excellent reviews here in Germany, see cine4home.de )
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To clarify the 130% is with 0% of horizontal lens shift used. You can use up to 15% of horizontal lens shift if you limit vertical LS to 105%. If its like my Benq then 130% would equal anywhere in the screen plane plus 30% of screen height above or below. Dave

the center of my lens is aproximately aligned with the top of my screen. Are you saying this will work?

Im not going to use much horizontal shift at all. Throw distance is aproximately 4 meters. screen size is 220 cm.
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See Benq thread.

Which BenQ thread, I can't find any reference to the 8200 in the W5000 thread.

-edit Nevermind I found it, for some reason "8200" doesn't find any posts in that thread.
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See Benq thread.

Thanks, Brah! Interesting. I do like the flexibility of the new Optoma, but the price of the BenQ might tip the scale. Hmmm.
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From the info sheet that 'coolrda' posted, the dimensions of the HD8200 are stated as :

HD8200: W x H x D = 19.2" x 7.6" x 14.6"

From the picture of it, though, it looks to me like it's deeper than it is wide (no jokes). I wonder if those dimensions are incorrect or maybe if just the Width and Depth are switched.
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The 20,000:1 contrast is with the auto iris correct? A DC3 chip can't give that native can it?
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I saw it as well and thought it looked pretty nice. The epson's blacks were very nice on Harry Potter(much smaller screen than the optoma). The panasonic looked good as well. I thought the 8200 was one of the best and wonder if the street price might be less than THE $ 5000 mark.
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The specs sheet on the previous page says that the HD8200 has 0,65" 1080p DarkChip3. Is that really correct? So far 1080p chips have been 0.95" so is this some cheap version? If it is I would expect we see this unit selling very cheap after a while. Now its pricing seem similar to the Benq W20000 which has original 0.95" chip.

I remember there was similar thing with the 720p chips (0.95" vs 0.65"), and when smaller chip was introduced that allowed really low cost units hit the market.
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The specs sheet on the previous page says that the HD8200 has 0,65" 1080p DarkChip3. Is that really correct? So far 1080p chips have been 0.95" so is this some cheap version? If it is I would expect we see this unit selling very cheap after a while. Now its pricing seem similar to the Benq W20000 which has original 0.95" chip.

I remember there was similar thing with the 720p chips (0.95" vs 0.65"), and when smaller chip was introduced that allowed really low cost units hit the market.

TI is now producing a .65" 1080P chip, which should allow for reduced prices. It will also allow higher zoom ranges with smaller lenses, which again should reduce cost.
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TI is now producing a .65" 1080P chip, which should allow for reduced prices. It will also allow higher zoom ranges with smaller lenses, which again should reduce cost.

What are the disadvantages of the smaller chip? I recall there was some in the 720p chips but I cannot remember what they were exactly.
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What are the disadvantages of the smaller chip? I recall there was some in the 720p chips but I cannot remember what they were exactly.

I am sure there must be some disadvantage but I don't know off hand what they are. I recall reading about a disadvantage of higher enlargement ratios, which you would get with a smaller chip, but I can't remember what the issue was.
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Biggest difference is no lens shift with the large chip. Picture wise you couldn't tell a difference between DC3 .65 and DC3 .95. What you could notice is the larger mirror would make a brighter picture. The Optoma uses a new bulb with a tighter arc that produces more light, like an adiitional 30%.

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"To clarify the 130% is with 0% of horizontal lens shift used."

Doesn't matter, with 0% the lens still has to be above the screen.

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For my setup, I have a shelf mount in the back of my theater room with the projector right-side up and the lens about 6" below the top of the screen. The screen is 120" diagonal in size (so about 60" in height).

That makes the he lens at about 10% below the top of the screen. My current projector (Optoma H77) allows me to dial down the vertical lens shift so that the picture fits the screen. I'm having a hard time figuring out from the numbers being thrown around here whether or not the HD8200 would allow me to do the same thing using the same setup.

Can anybody help me figure this out?
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Nope the H77 was unusual it has a 100% movement. Right you could have the PJ image start out straight up on the ceiling and move it all the way down to catch up with a screen. It was wild when I first checked one out. The HD8200 lets think of it as a projector with a fixed offset say like the HD80 or HD81 etc, but this one will allow you to shorten the offset from 30% of the screen height to 5% of the screen height, that's either 5% over the top or under the bottom screen or 30% over /under but not within the screen area.

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Tom what the the advantages of this projector over the HD80? Is it using a better lens?

What sort of real world differnces in PQ should we see?

I understand it's brighter, so it should be able to handle a larger screen and it has the ability to throw a larger picture from closer. The local dealer should have one in a month and I am looking forward to shoot out with the RS20 that he also has at the shop

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Tom,

When is this due to hit the streets?

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Tom what the the advantages of this projector over the HD80? Is it using a bes? lens?

What sort of real world differnces in PQ should we see?

I understand it's brighter, so it should be able to handle a larger screen and it has the ability to throw a larger picture from closer. The local dealer should have one in a month and I am looking forward to shoot out with the RS20 that he also has at the shop

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It will be like a CRT projector that's very sharp, deep blacks with high detail in blacks and with over 700ansi it will have a 3d image effect. Dark scene movies should look excellent. This was the only problem DLP's had, blacks were on the hazy side.

Dealers should have some soon. Not allot but more would be on the way. From the way it's been is a couple of hundred come in right away, then the mother load shows up.

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It will be like a CRT projector that's very sharp, deep blacks with high detail in blacks and with over 700ansi it will have a 3d image effect. Dark scene movies should look excellent. This was the only problem DLP's had, blacks were on the hazy side.

So better than the RS20....... Rs20 owners don't get mad, this is of course the Optoma HD8200 thread If it's better than the RS20 I'll buy it, if not I'll be buying the RS20.

You got to wonder how these Hot Rod companies like Sim2 are going to able to compete. Sure they have a $37,000 and $50,000 3 chip units, but that is a very niche market. The bread and butter has got to be this price range and they won't be able to compete. Optoma is making these things from the ground up. I.m sure Sim2 will soon debut their new $15,000 single chip

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Biggest difference is no lens shift with the large chip.

I have an 1080p projector with the larger 0.95" chip and lens shift (+120% - -80%).
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You got to wonder how these Hot Rod companies like Sim2 are going to able to compete. Sure they have a $37,000 and $50,000 3 chip units, but that is a very niche market. The bread and butter has got to be this price range and they won't be able to compete...
I.m sure Sim2 will soon debut their new $15,000 single chip

Sim2 Domino D60? But it is a lot cheap than 15k. Guess from what factory it is originally from.

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Optoma is making these things from the ground up.

Actually Optoma is very late on bringing their Dynamic Black products out. Benq already introduced the W5000 and W20000 one year ago. The W20000 is quite equalent to the HD8200. I undestood that the HD808 is same chassis as the HD8200 but with DC2 chip so it would be quite equalent to the W5000.
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I have an 1080p projector with the larger 0.95" chip and lens shift (+120% - -80%).

Unless you have the planar 8150 im guessing you only have Vertical shift. This one also has horizontal.
The minimum 5% offset on this one renders it useless for me, but im guessing/hoping we will see alot of new similar products from other makers later on this year.
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It will be like a CRT projector that's very sharp, deep blacks with high detail in blacks and with over 700ansi it will have a 3d image effect. Dark scene movies should look excellent. This was the only problem DLP's had, blacks were on the hazy side.

Dealers should have some soon. Not allot but more would be on the way. From the way it's been is a couple of hundred come in right away, then the mother load shows up.

I saw this at CES & reported in another thread, I thought it had as good a picture as the $35K Sim2 Lumis and on a much larger screen to boot. The Optoma was on a 140" width wheras the Lumis was on a 109" and I know screenshots are for fun but I took a few for people to compare. Even in the screenshots you can see what I'm talking about

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I saw this at CES & reported in another thread, I thought it had as good a picture as the $35K Sim2 Lumis and on a much larger screen to boot. The Optoma was on a 140" width wheras the Lumis was on a 109" and I know screenshots are for fun but I took a few for people to compare. Even in the screenshots you can see what I'm talking about

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Thanks for posting the images...

Wow, those are some very impressive screenshots(of which I am not normally a fan...) from the HD82

The fact that the Optoma could hang with the Lumis is very encouraging

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Wow! Thanks for your report & the pics Chris.
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Unless you have the planar 8150 im guessing you only have Vertical shift. This one also has horizontal.

No I don't have the Planar but my point here was that the 0.95" chip size does not prevent lens shift.

Nor I don't understand arguments some made about lens sizes. For instance both my projectors (the HD80 and W5000) have 0.95" 1080p DLP chip. The other has fixed offset and the other one has lens shift but guess what, the one with lens shift has smaller lens. Obviously lens shift and lens size does not go hand in hand. I think it has more to do with lens quality.

Doesn't smaller chip actually require better quality small lens to be able to resolve as good resolution as the one using larger diameter lower quality lens?
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No I don't have the Planar but my point here was that the 0.95" chip size does not prevent lens shift.

The 0.95" chip pretty much prevents horizontal shift as it requires a pretty large lens to achieve it. Vertical shift works well with it though.
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