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post #31 of 782 Old 09-08-2012, 01:52 PM
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I've been reading page after page on the 6010 mostly from this forum and was going to buy one I found today. That is until I found out also today they announced the new model 6020 is expected in the next month or so. Can anyone nail down a definite price for this model yet? I've seen anything from 3499 which is the same as the 6010 is all the way to 3999... The possibility of improved lag is another big bonus to me and the reason why I would prefer the new model anyway just really wish a store already had there hands on one already. I've been talking with a really good place locally and was going to buy when my house is done in the next few weeks so I'll probably swing in there on Monday and talk to the owner again to see if he has any info on when he might receive one or possibly what it would cost. I just hate not knowing the price yet. I'm glad I didn't get the 6010 early now though cool.gif
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Also does anyone know what will be different besides the mount, extra bulb, and black case between the new 5020 and the 6020 now that the 5020 appears to have thx and come with 2 3d glasses? I know it looks to have the extra year warranty for the 6020 but that doesn't even seem to be set in stone since looking at epsons website it's showing 2 years.
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Any word from Cedia about how much these new models have improved as far as lag?
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I wonder if Epson is showing the 20s with a PS3 or 360 plugged in. Probably the most significant complaint about the 10s last year was their pathetic input lag so one would think Epson would be anxious to show lag improvements (if any) right off the bat.

The fact that Epson has been crowing about the improved lumens, CR, and THX but are dead silent about image lag is not a good sign...

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From what the rep was saying at CEDIA (and this may be in a news release as well) the improvements for the 6020 are 2 RF glasses, improved contrast (300-and-something-thousand to 1), a 3 year warranty. Any single dead pixel anywhere on the screen means a replacement projector on the warranty, apparently. He said he wasn't allowed to announce price but was allowed to say under $4k, the price may not be fixed yet. He hinted heavily that it would be between $3500-3999 - which sounds the same as mentioned previously. The demo used a media PC IIRC, no gaming shown. Lumens and colour lumens same as the 6010 at 2400
I watched the demo twice and it was the first time I have seen 3D on an Epson and was pleasantly suprised. After a pricey Runco, the most comfortable 3D demo I saw (3D generally seems to give me a headache). Apart from mega expensive 3-chip DLP models, one of the brightest at CEDIA

There was a lot of talk but nothing on input lag I'm afraid

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From what the rep was saying at CEDIA (and this may be in a news release as well) the improvements for the 6020 are 2 RF glasses, improved contrast (300-and-something-thousand to 1), a 3 year warranty. Any single dead pixel anywhere on the screen means a replacement projector on the warranty, apparently. He said he wasn't allowed to announce price but was allowed to say under $4k, the price may not be fixed yet. He hinted heavily that it would be between $3500-3999 - which sounds the same as mentioned previously. The demo used a media PC IIRC, no gaming shown. Lumens and colour lumens same as the 6010 at 2400
I watched the demo twice and it was the first time I have seen 3D on an Epson and was pleasantly suprised. After a pricey Runco, the most comfortable 3D demo I saw (3D generally seems to give me a headache). Apart from mega expensive 3-chip DLP models, one of the brightest at CEDIA
There was a lot of talk but nothing on input lag I'm afraid

Was the black levels improved, or did they increase contrast by measuring it in a different way?
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The repsaid the contrast levels had been improved and measured in the same way as the last model. They were claiming 2400 lumens and 2400 color lumens, he was saying color lumens is a new industry standard that Epson, Sony and a few others have started to use and guarentees certain levels of saturation apparently.

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If they did you would think Epson would be shouting this feature from the rafters for all to hear. Having said that if you look closely at the picture of the 3020 it does look like it has horizontal and vertical manual control adjustments -- one on each side of the lens like the 5010/6010. I wouldn't put any money on it, but there may be a 1% chance based on the image of the unit. biggrin.gif

Nope. Keystone only. Epson is not dumb. There is very little reason to pay nearly twice as much for the 5020 than the 3020 other than some people's location must use lens shift. Epson knows this and charges a premium for it. Such a shame too.

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I have a low ceiling in my basement. Are the epson or jvc projectors ok to mount at the screen top or do they have to be mounted above the top of the screen? Thanks a lot! Sam Zeoli
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Nope. Keystone only. Epson is not dumb. There is very little reason to pay nearly twice as much for the 5020 than the 3020 other than some people's location must use lens shift. Epson knows this and charges a premium for it...

Everything that I've read states otherwise. The 5010 is is said to have dramatically better blacks (according to projectorreviews) and the 3010 also lacks CFI. Maybe you just aren't very picky. smile.gif
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I have a low ceiling in my basement. Are the epson or jvc projectors ok to mount at the screen top or do they have to be mounted above the top of the screen? Thanks a lot! Sam Zeoli
Can't comment about the Epson, but the JVC's can be mounted on a low ceiling. Mine is only about 7' and it could actually be even lower. The ones that have to be mounted above or below the screen has to do with fixed offset and not much vertical lens shift. That usually is a DLP thing. The Benq is able to be mounted within the screen and that is why those with HP screens really like them.
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I have a low ceiling in my basement. Are the epson or jvc projectors ok to mount at the screen top or do they have to be mounted above the top of the screen? Thanks a lot! Sam Zeoli

Both have a lot of lens shift. The JVC has 30% x image height. So you can mount 0.3 x image height above to 0.3 x image height below the screen and anywhere in between. The Epson has 46%. Same calculations, just substitute 0.46 for 0.30.
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Ok I'm trying to figure out the difference between the 5020 and the 6020. Before this new model was coming out I was planning on getting the 6010 because of thx and a few other things. Now it seems like the 5020 and the 6020 are identical except the case being black, extra bulb, mount, and extra year warranty. Is there anything else mainly with the projector itself that is different that I'm forgetting?? I'm starting to lean towards the 5020 if that's all that's different.
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2 pairs of RF 3D glasses and improved contrast as well. Any improvements to input lag haven't been confirmed yet

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Ok I'm trying to figure out the difference between the 5020 and the 6020. Before this new model was coming out I was planning on getting the 6010 because of thx and a few other things. Now it seems like the 5020 and the 6020 are identical except the case being black, extra bulb, mount, and extra year warranty. Is there anything else mainly with the projector itself that is different that I'm forgetting?? I'm starting to lean towards the 5020 if that's all that's different.

According to Epson's site and other sources, those are the only differences. Contrast is the same as well as 2 pairs of RF glasses for both.
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Will last year's Epson 3D glasses and PS3 3D glasses work with the 5020/6020?
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Everything that I've read states otherwise. The 5010 is is said to have dramatically better blacks (according to projectorreviews) and the 3010 also lacks CFI. Maybe you just aren't very picky. smile.gif

I am speaking of the specs between the 5020 and the 3020. In the previous generation, Epson made the two projectors pretty different in their performance. From reading the early reviews of the xx20 projectors, it sounds like the 3020 has been improved significantly more than the 5020. However, no lens shift is a non starter for me. I am just saying Epson has not had their two budget projector so similar in quite a while.

Also, I would agree; in years past, I would absolutely be so picky that the extra zero on the contrast ratio would compel me to drop another $1000 on a projector, or another watt on a receiver. However, I got sick of agonizing over every little detail of my theater and began just enjoying what I have knowing its no longer the best, but great for what I need. If someone wants to sweat the details and spend more hours getting a pixel shift perfect than actually watching movies on their rig, more power to them. Not for me. AVSForum is an amazing wealth of knowledge, but has made me OCD in years past with my electronics to a significant degree. That kinda takes the fun out of this hobby.

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Will last year's Epson 3D glasses and PS3 3D glasses work with the 5020/6020?
The new glasses are RF, wernt the glasses last year from epson IR? So i do not believe they will be compatible.

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I am speaking of the specs between the 5020 and the 3020. In the previous generation, Epson made the two projectors pretty different in their performance. From reading the early reviews of the xx20 projectors, it sounds like the 3020 has been improved significantly more than the 5020. However, no lens shift is a non starter for me. I am just saying Epson has not had their two budget projector so similar in quite a while.
Also, I would agree; in years past, I would absolutely be so picky that the extra zero on the contrast ratio would compel me to drop another $1000 on a projector, or another watt on a receiver. However, I got sick of agonizing over every little detail of my theater and began just enjoying what I have knowing its no longer the best, but great for what I need. If someone wants to sweat the details and spend more hours getting a pixel shift perfect than actually watching movies on their rig, more power to them. Not for me. AVSForum is an amazing wealth of knowledge, but has made me OCD in years past with my electronics to a significant degree. That kinda takes the fun out of this hobby.
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I've become OCD as well but I've mellowed out quite a bit. I am still stuck on black levels though which is why I am stuck on JVC. My problem is I want JVC type contrast with good 3D (which the JVC doesn't have).
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According to Epson's site and other sources, those are the only differences. Contrast is the same as well as 2 pairs of RF glasses for both.

Not according to the Epson rep, the contrast has been increased from 200,000:1 on the 6010 to 320,000:1 on the 6020.

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Guess time will tell. Everywhere shows the 5020 got the same bump.
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Guess time will tell. Everywhere shows the 5020 got the same bump.


That's what it's starting to look like I'm kind of surprised there seems to be no difference in the projectors. Just the extra stuff (mount, black case, extra year warranty) that makes me hope it will be on low end of 3499-3999$ that has been estimated at.

I went and talked with a dealer that I'm dealing with locally earlier today and he hasn't got any word from epson yet but soon as he does he is giving me a call now at least. I hope they get them in before November I don't really want to wait that long...
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Oh, anamorphic lens support will probably be a 6020 exclusive if offered this year.
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I'm with all the gamers here and wanting a great projector with low input lag. I game over 60 percent of the time on my home theater setup and watch movies the other 40 percent.

I'm replacing a 10 year old, 60" Sony rear-projection TV with a new projector and am new to the projector arena. I've hit avsforum.com, projectorcentral.com (which is the only reviewers I've found that even mention input lag at all with regards to gaming) and I'm focusing in on the Epson 8350.

My only hesitation is that it is an older projector ("older" in technology terms as it was released in September of 2010...2 years is ancient in a mobile phone or PC market for sure). I really do not care about 3D to be honest (haven't experienced it at home...only in a theater and at BlizzCon a couple years in demo booths).

Should I be targeting another projector instead of the Epson 8350 that would be classified "newer" in terms of tech or features? Again, I'm focused on gaming and input lag rather than 3D...and will be mounting this in a basement that is underground (no windows...so no natural light).

Although I'm sure the Epson 8350 will be a HUGE upgrade from my current, lowly Sony rear-projection LCD, I'd love to get some feedback. Thanks for your time. smile.gif
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Just found Coderguy's suggestions helpful (yes, I'll try to search this forum better before I post smile.gif ):

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1391476/coderguys-top-projector-picks

And of course, more on the input lag mess with gaming and projectors:

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1382091/jvc-rs-45-sony-hw30-benq-w7000-epson-5010-mini-shootout

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According to the link in the first post ( http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/08/31/epson-home-cinema-5020-projector-whats-even-better ), there is a rumor that the lag times have been improved on the 5020 (and I presume the 6020 too). I really hope this is true, because if it is, the 5020 is definitely the projector I'm going to buy.
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In all fairness, when i read that article about the lag times, I read it as "lag times have been decreased from unplayable to just an incredible annoyance." Cant people remember the days of playing the Dreamcast on 28.6k internet? Now that was gaming lag. biggrin.gif

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I'm with all the gamers here and wanting a great projector with low input lag. I game over 60 percent of the time on my home theater setup and watch movies the other 40 percent.
I'm replacing a 10 year old, 60" Sony rear-projection TV with a new projector and am new to the projector arena. I've hit avsforum.com, projectorcentral.com (which is the only reviewers I've found that even mention input lag at all with regards to gaming) and I'm focusing in on the Epson 8350.
My only hesitation is that it is an older projector ("older" in technology terms as it was released in September of 2010...2 years is ancient in a mobile phone or PC market for sure). I really do not care about 3D to be honest (haven't experienced it at home...only in a theater and at BlizzCon a couple years in demo booths).
Should I be targeting another projector instead of the Epson 8350 that would be classified "newer" in terms of tech or features? Again, I'm focused on gaming and input lag rather than 3D...and will be mounting this in a basement that is underground (no windows...so no natural light).
Although I'm sure the Epson 8350 will be a HUGE upgrade from my current, lowly Sony rear-projection LCD, I'd love to get some feedback. Thanks for your time. smile.gif

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-the 8350 and 8100 are extremely similar
-the 8100 is an outstanding gaming projector with excellent input response and no noticeable input lag
-if you are thinking of the 5010, don't bother; the 5010 is a PATHETIC gaming projector, I played several fast twitch, accurate response games on it (shooters and fighters) and each and every time, there was considerable delay between button press and screen response
-one caveat: both the 8100 and 8350 are noted for early lamp failure but Epson will cover lamp replacement for the duration of the 2 year warranty (I'm on my fourth lamp for the 8100 but Epson's customer service has been stellar)

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it seems like the 5020 and the 6020 are identical except the case being black, extra bulb, mount, and extra year warranty.
In recent years, the Epson "pro" projectors have had built-in scaling support for 2.35:1 external lenses, in addition to the list you provided.

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