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zombie,

I must have missed it, but how long have you had the Sony VW1000?

If you've already done some comparisons between it and JVC projectors (e.g. black level/contrast and everything else) could you point me toward any of those posts? Thanks.
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Can anyone help out with a suggestion for a long hdmi run. It will be around 75 feet because I want to run it to my pc which has a gtx 760 in it with a haswell i7.


Anyone have any experience with extenders?

I've used this HDMI over Cat5e/6 extender up to 50 feet without any problems in the past. It's rated for 150 feet, but I've never tried it past 50. It requires two Cat5e cables, but they're also pretty cheap at Monoprice.

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I spent some more time with the 5030 this evening. I found some interesting behavior with the memory settings. If you calibrate living room mode high lamp and also 3D cinema mode, you must load the memory setting for each respective setting even though the projector will switch modes automatically between 2D and 3D.

The issue is that you will still have the RGB corrections for the previous mode and grayscale will be way off.

For example - here's the modes I programmed:

2D low Natural
2D High Natural
2D High Living room
3D High Cinema

If you use the memory settings for each 2D mode, it will switch grayscale settings with no problem. if I go into 3D mode, the 5030 will select '3D Cinema' (which is correct) but it will have the wrong grayscale setting. You must still load the memory setting for 3D. now the grayscale will be correct.

Then if you flip back to a 2D mode, same thing, you must select the memory setting for correct grayscale. Not sure if this is 'as-designed' or a bug, but it's important to note if you program different memory modes.

I went back and watched some 3D after a calibration through the glasses. The 3D is very impressive on this projector, especially at this low price point. The image is rock solid, definitely better than the Sony HW50 and the JVC's. I don't expect this to change with the new models. For those sensitive to flicker, this is as close to DLP as it gets, even vs. the VW1000 which has about the same perceived flicker at the HW30 and HW50.


Journey to the Mysterious Island is an excellent 3D BD for checking color and sharpness in 3D. Left eye through the RF glasses.

The Rock is clearly impressed with the 5030's 3D performance. biggrin.gif

Epson5030-12.jpg


some quick center lumen measurements, 10 hours on the lamp.

The projector is 20 feet from the 142", farther than I usually keep them.


Low lamp Natural mode - (D65) - 519 lumens

High lamp natural mode - (D65) 698 lumens

High lamp Living room mode - (D65) - 1173 lumens

Gamma gets a little strange in Living room mode and needs adjusting a bit.





@ Elix - I just saw the 780 TI was released, that went to the short list quickly since I am not messing with aftermarket fans for the ATI.

Thanks for the warnings about needing to load calibrated memory settings on the Epson.

I saw Thor 2 in 3D at a commercial theater (DLP) last night. 3D looks much better (in almost every way) on the 5030 in my home. biggrin.gif

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zombie,

I must have missed it, but how long have you had the Sony VW1000?

If you've already done some comparisons between it and JVC projectors (e.g. black level/contrast and everything else) could you point me toward any of those posts? Thanks.

About 72 hours.... smile.gif

I need a few days to get it dialed in and should have a chance to compare it to the RS55 soon. First impressions on perceived contrast is that it's quite good, especially intra-scene contrast. There is a fade to black scene in Oblivion that looks excellent on the Sony, zero bright corners that I can usually see on the JVC's including an X35 I have here. The HP makes it stand out, but it's impressive to see how uniform the panel is.


JC - I watched some scenes from Pacific Rim on the 5030, it was definitely better than the 'mini-imax' presentation at my local theater. Contrast and colors were a bit blah and I wanted to scream after being forced to use circular polarizing glasses, they were awful and could invoke crosstalk with just a bit of head movement.

The 5030 could end up with the non-DLP 3D crown this year, we have to see how the HW55 and new JVC's compare. So far though it gets a high score imo.
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The 5030 could end up with the non-DLP 3D crown this year, we have to see how the HW55 and new JVC's compare. So far though it gets a high score imo.

 

Sorry, if I missed it but how's the 2D of the 5030?  Especially relative to the 5020 and the HW50?

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Sorry, if I missed it but how's the 2D of the 5030? Especially relative to the 5020 and the HW50?

I've only seen 2 5030's so far but they both look better than the 5020's I saw last year. Cine4home mentioned some improvements in the optics and the pixels looks less blurred than before.

I think it can hold it own against the HW50 and exceeds it in some ways (appears more naturally sharp on my relatively large 142"). There is a wider price difference between the 5030 and HW55 and the Epson's keep getting better each year.

If I didn't already have the Sharp 30k, this would likely be my '3D projector' this year.
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If I didn't already have the Sharp 30k, this would likely be my '3D projector' this year.

 

Wow, that says a lot this early into the new shootout! Thanks for the info.

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This one is mine... smile.gif

I'd like to find a service manual to see how buried the motherboard is, i'm hoping it can be removed from the bottom of the chassis during the upgrade so none of the internals are disturbed. Expect lots of close up photos of the 'operation'.

Why don't you jointly do this with Joerod? I think you should just let him bask in the glory of photographing and publishing innards pictures that he promised to do during his upgrade.. I just can't wait to see what goes on inside re motherboard replacement. Man the excitement of it all. I have had my 1000ES for about 2 years and have never even wanted to see its insides. There is a magic to being in love in the dark and I don't want to see the insides of my new baby after plastic surgery displayed like a play boy centerfold.
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How can the sight of this not get you excited?

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I hope they don't have to take all that off to get to the motherboard, I was thinking maybe it would drop down from the bottom, but it doesn't look like it.
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Yeah, this is more like a Hustler shot...tongue.gif

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About 72 hours.... smile.gif

I need a few days to get it dialed in and should have a chance to compare it to the RS55 soon. First impressions on perceived contrast is that it's quite good, especially intra-scene contrast. There is a fade to black scene in Oblivion that looks excellent on the Sony, zero bright corners that I can usually see on the JVC's including an X35 I have here. The HP makes it stand out, but it's impressive to see how uniform the panel is.


JC - I watched some scenes from Pacific Rim on the 5030, it was definitely better than the 'mini-imax' presentation at my local theater. Contrast and colors were a bit blah and I wanted to scream after being forced to use circular polarizing glasses, they were awful and could invoke crosstalk with just a bit of head movement.

The 5030 could end up with the non-DLP 3D crown this year, we have to see how the HW55 and new JVC's compare. So far though it gets a high score imo.

Zombie, I have the Sony 500es and I think I know what fade to black scene your referring to for Oblivion and your right it looks just as amazing on the 500es, zero bright corners. Oh thanks for the tips with taking pics and how to manually set the aperture and shutter, still need a lot of practise but thanks again for your help.
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I hope they don't have to take all that off to get to the motherboard, I was thinking maybe it would drop down from the bottom, but it doesn't look like it.
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Makes me wonder where all those dollars are ....... One can buy a nice car instead biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Makes me wonder where all those dollars are ....... One can buy a nice car instead biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I know right! The company I work for just bought a high speed scanner for $19K and a multi-purpose floor printer for $60K. All I could think about was where in the heck did they put that much money's worth of components. And then they just break all the time...too many moving parts. At least that Sony PJ looks sexy on the outside and probably wont break as often. Guess the manufacturers are trying to recoup as much R&D money as possible...I'm not gonna be the beta tester in prod though. tongue.gif

Personally, I think everyone that buys into 4K at the moment is crazy. Especially the people buying the 4K HDTV's that are super tiny. By the time enough content is available to justify purchasing a 4K PJ, they will be much cheaper and have better PQ. But all the rich people help drive down those costs for us mortals, so buy them all. biggrin.gif

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Zombie, I have the Sony 500es and I think I know what fade to black scene your referring to for Oblivion and your right it looks just as amazing on the 500es, zero bright corners. Oh thanks for the tips with taking pics and how to manually set the aperture and shutter, still need a lot of practise but thanks again for your help.

glad the tips worked, enjoy the new projector !!
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I had great difficulty choosing between a JVC RS46 and Panasonic AE8000. They are close in price but this was a secondary concern. I was reasonably satisfied with my previous AE7000 but was extremely disappointed in Panasonic's warranty service. I was able to have both the AE8000 and RS46 together to compare.

Setup:
136" Carada Criterion 2.35:1 screen (roughly width of 144" 16:9/1.78:1 screen)
13' Viewing Distance
Panasonic AE8000
JVC RS46
Canon 50D, Identical exposures for comparison photos

Here are my findings:

JVC RS46
Pros:
Black Level
Sharpness
Pixel Convergence

Cons:
Visible Lens Light Leak on 2.35:1 screens with 1.78:1 image
"Screen Door Effect" can be faintly seen on light images 136" 2.35:1 @ 13'
Bit of Image/Lens smearing visible in high contrast specific scenarios

Panasonic AE8000
Pros:
Lens Memory Functionality
No Lens Light Leak
No Visible "Screen Door Effect"
Bright

Cons:
Convergence
Uniform Focus
Black Level


A word of warning to my fellow CIH screen owners: If you buy the JVC, you really should use masking panels for 1.78 images. The Lens Light Leak is easily visible on the unused screen space when displaying 1.78:1 content on a 2.35:1 screen on anything other than very bright images. It isn't visible when in 2.35 mode and the 'leak' is off screen. ***As of 6/18/2016 I have not made masking panels and it no longer bothers me and I never notice it anymore***.

Regarding Lens Memory: The Panasonic handles this much better than JVC RS46. With the AE8000, you manually set the Lens Shift. After that, everything is electronic. The Panasonic will electronically zoom out, focus and move the 2.35:1 image to the top of the image sensor, 'grouping' the black bars at the bottom. Its a simpler, superior and much faster implementation of Lens Memory. It also ensures that ZERO light from the projector is above the screen. The JVC mechanically moves the lens for each memory setting. It is noisy and slow, and quite honestly, with frequent moving parts, I'm a bit concerned with long term longevity. The JVC lacks pixel perfect precision in the lens shift: Every time I select a lens memory setting on the JVC it is ALWAYS off by several inches and ALWAYS required a manual height adjustment. I've tried several different ways of saving it but it never ever goes back to the exact same position it was in when I saved. The JVC lack of pixel perfect precision in the lens shift and is frustrating and completely unacceptable, quite frankly.

3D: 3D was horrendous on my (previous) original and replacement Panasonic AE7000, crosstalk was terrible and I got instant headaches. I'd say the AE8000 and RS46 are very similar in terms of 3D quality, both are much better than my previous AE7000, but they have a long way to go to be comparable to IMAX or RealD in a movie theater. The AE8000 is definitely brighter, but it isn't better. I noticed flicker on both. I am completely comfortable watching 3D on my JVC RS46 in ECO lamp mode with the Iris all the way open in 136" 2.35:1.

Summary:
The RS46 looks pretty great and the black levels are much better than the AE8000, this really showed when looking for shadow detail. I could see things on the JVC that were simply black on the Panasonic. I wasn't able to achieve even focus across the entire image on the Panasonic, the JVC was much better with this, although not perfect. There is not a convergence option with the Panasonic, there should be. Panasonic's "Smooth Screen" works, pixels are far less noticeable on the AE8000...if only they were in focus and converged a bit better. Lens Memory works just fine on both, I personally much prefer Panasonic's implementation as the JVC always requires manual height adjustment. 3D seemed similar on both, but the added brightness helped the Panasonic, although I was just (barely) fine with the 3D brightness of the JVC.

My final decision: I'm choosing the JVC RS46, although I see some pixelation during light scenes at 136" the image is sharp. I cannot see any pixelation whatsoever when wearing 3D glasses or in 1.78:1. I'm currently making masking panels for 1.78 mode.

Comparison Photos:
Identical exposures for comparison photos.

I did some minor tweaks to the picture, and I did NOT calibrate the images. ECO Lamp Mode on both, Brightness set -8 on Panasonic, 0 on JVC with Iris at 0, Cinema 2 on Panasonic, Cinema on JVC.

The colors looked a bit 'punchier' on the Panasonic, I cycled through picture modes to find something to subdue the Panasonic or 'pop' the JVC, no dramatic change. This could be calibration or just the nature of LCD vs LCOS.

Comparing Pixelation and clarity:



Comparing Pixelation and clarity:



Viewing at 13':



Black Levels:



Shadow Detail:



Image Clarity:



Shadow Detail:



Shadow Detail:



White Uniformity



Black with Pause Button (Notice vertical 'smearing' on JVC)



Focus Test (Near outside edge, as clear as possible in center of screen):



Focus Test (Near outside edge, as clear as possible in center of screen):



Visible Lens Light Leak with 1.78 Black Image on 2.35 screen. (Lower right corner of image. More noticeable to the eye)

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great stuff dreamliner, excellent comparison and good on you for posting am sure be most interesting to anyone considering either projector,

interesting you went with the jvc. but atleast you have with full knowledge of knowing what the other projectors like. defiteinly a case of nothings perfect. and pick your own poison. or best compromise... same the case with me upgrading from the epson to the jvc. certainly on quite a few things the epson is actually better but on balance went for the jvc smile.gif

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Awesome job Dreamliner.

Alebonau What model of Epson are you coming from and why did you chose the JVC(which model?)

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Awesome job Dreamliner.

Alebonau What model of Epson are you coming from and why did you chose the JVC(which model?)

hi mijotter, I had the epson 9000w and moved across to the jvc x35

I posted some comparisons and my impressions on both back here smile.gif
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dj, I think my HP screen makes it stand out more, I have the VW1000 at near level for max gain. Contrast in 3D definitely looks good on the Sony. I have to charge up my MV3D's, I find the factory Sony glasses a bit uncomfortable

Have you seen a 3D DLP recently? It's remarkable how solid the image is in 3D mode although the Epson 5030 also does an excellent job in this regard. Even with the VW1000 I can still sense the slight flicker in 3D.

I'll check the software version and post it later tonight.


biggrin.gif me to ( the Sony glasses )

Sadly not, some day I will:) - ( but I seen the full HD 3D passive on the 84" X9005 Sony Tv , and it was the most beautiful 3D I ever have seen for now )


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I know it's buried in here somewhere over multiple posts, but it's tough to find with search because "lumens" is used so often in this thread...how do the 5030 and the RS46 compare in terms of calibrated lumens in low lamp mode?

I had my heart set on a JVC but I just found out it has longer throw than my HC4000...and in the new house I have less space than I used to. I was already being forced to go from a 10ft wide 2.35 screen to a 9ft wide one here, and with the greater depth of the JVC combined with longer throw, I think I'd have to go down to something like 8.5. Not sure I want to go that small. I could live with it for 2.35, but for 16:9 that would be really small, and going with a hybrid screen and two sets of masking panels just sounds like a pain in the ass.
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I know it's buried in here somewhere over multiple posts, but it's tough to find with search because "lumens" is used so often in this thread...how do the 5030 and the RS46 compare in terms of calibrated lumens in low lamp mode?

I had my heart set on a JVC but I just found out it has longer throw than my HC4000...and in the new house I have less space than I used to. I was already being forced to go from a 10ft wide 2.35 screen to a 9ft wide one here, and with the greater depth of the JVC combined with longer throw, I think I'd have to go down to something like 8.5. Not sure I want to go that small. I could live with it for 2.35, but for 16:9 that would be really small, and going with a hybrid screen and two sets of masking panels just sounds like a pain in the ass.

We are in a similar situation. I've been thinking about just adding another screen (electric or drop). Two screens = two aspect ratios. Considering what we spend on the projector it seems a lot easier than fooling around with masking. You need something with powered lens memory though...
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I can live without powered zoom/shift or lens memory, although obviously I'd greatly prefer to have it. For years now I've had to, whenever I switch aspect ratios, move my HC4000 from one shelf to another and then manually zoom and focus and align with the screen.

Just a bummer because I feel like my old screen size was just perfect for both ARs. I was already bummed at having to reduce the size due to the smaller room, but misunderstood and thought the greater zoom of the JVC compared to the Mits would let me squeeze a couple extra inches out of it. Turns out it has a LONGER throw, plus the greater physical depth. I had also been hoping to have a hole in the wall of the room to put the projector behind it -- there's actually a closet space type thing there -- to get extra distance, but the stairs unfortunately come down too low right there. Lame!

Mits in old house did 124" wide.
In new house,
With JVC, I *might* be able to get to 105" wide.
With Mits, I can get 109".
With Epson, I could get 107".

Not that big a difference, but it already looks pretty small to me. Especially 16:9 stuff.
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I can live without powered zoom/shift or lens memory, although obviously I'd greatly prefer to have it. For years now I've had to, whenever I switch aspect ratios, move my HC4000 from one shelf to another and then manually zoom and focus and align with the screen.

Just a bummer because I feel like my old screen size was just perfect for both ARs. I was already bummed at having to reduce the size due to the smaller room, but misunderstood and thought the greater zoom of the JVC compared to the Mits would let me squeeze a couple extra inches out of it. Turns out it has a LONGER throw, plus the greater physical depth. I had also been hoping to have a hole in the wall of the room to put the projector behind it -- there's actually a closet space type thing there -- to get extra distance, but the stairs unfortunately come down too low right there. Lame!

Mits in old house did 124" wide.
In new house,
With JVC, I *might* be able to get to 105" wide.
With Mits, I can get 109".
With Epson, I could get 107".

Not that big a difference, but it already looks pretty small to me. Especially 16:9 stuff.

Before I decided to put my Epson in the next room, I was toying with the idea of using a mirror to provide some extra depth. People have done it, I'm told.

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I've only seen 2 5030's so far but they both look better than the 5020's I saw last year. Cine4home mentioned some improvements in the optics and the pixels looks less blurred than before.

I think it can hold it own against the HW50 and exceeds it in some ways (appears more naturally sharp on my relatively large 142"). There is a wider price difference between the 5030 and HW55 and the Epson's keep getting better each year.

If I didn't already have the Sharp 30k, this would likely be my '3D projector' this year.

Zombie10K, I've had the Epson 5010 for a couple of years now and I have found it to perform very well, do you think an upgrade to the 5030 would bring a noticeable difference in 2-D and does the 5030 iris has the same annoying sound as the 5010? The iris is not my main concern, picture quality is, but just wanted to know. I am assuming that the 5030 glasses are not compatible with the ones that the 5010 uses, but i'm not sure.

I have a 147" screen with a projector throw distance of 15 feet. Would it be worth upgrading in your opinion?

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Ok, it's late and my brain is scrambled from moving and trying to figure out how to make this work, so forgive me if I sound like an idiot: How do I figure out if a given projector placement (height) will be too low to project the screen size I want without our heads getting in the way and casting shadows? And taking lens shift into account, too. If I put the projector in the "closet" and under the stairs, I can get the lens about 67-69" from the ground and only 5-6" off from the horizontal center of the screen. I think the problem is that we would probably sit quite close and thus be in the way.
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was a pretty good evening with our local showing of the 500es and the 1000es by sony at a local retailer.

after some run down on the projectors we then got a demo from sony on both the 500es and then the 1000es on various material.

the 500es was demoed on both blu-ray, 4k mastered blu-ray and also native 4K sony material. Was quite impressed ! the projector itself is a nice looking unit. not as long as the 1000es flagship, more space friendly and uniquely it draws air in the front around the lens and blows back out of front vents so no rear vents meaning can be mounted up against walls. great design and very quiet in running. good throw/zoom as per the top level model. can be fully professionally calibrated and then has an auto sensor that takes care of any drift. the room screen setup they demoed in was pretty good too. the projector while being $13k! was run with a lens that was also in the $13k mark so all up a $26k combination.

PQ wise very clean looking, detailed and very good punch and contrast to the picture.

We then moved to another room where the big boy 1000es was located. this was even just showing the blu-ray of oblivion upscaled looked nothing short of stunning ! superb stunning picture. the projector while $26k was running a lens on it worth another $26k ! but certainly about best pictures have ever seen on a projector.

the night also included a demo of the kaleidoscope system. which very much impressed. while the system itself is priced at cost which is best not asked ! the movies I noticed are quite affordable at $24 or so, interestingly if have the blu-ray already its only $1.99 to download the hd version, if have the dvd they give you the option to download the hd version for $5. movies are also available the day they are released on blu-ray in the us. plus there is definite intent to utilise the platform to bring 4k masters and seems a very good means to bring 4K into the home.

overall very enjoyable evening, met a few familiar faces and few other new faces as well. was certainly pretty thankful of audio trends to put on the night and get the opportunity to experience this kind of stuff smile.gif

some pics from the evening,

4k demo material on the 500es


500es with lens


oblivion on 1000es


kaliedoscape demo,
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Ok, it's late and my brain is scrambled from moving and trying to figure out how to make this work, so forgive me if I sound like an idiot: How do I figure out if a given projector placement (height) will be too low to project the screen size I want without our heads getting in the way and casting shadows? And taking lens shift into account, too. If I put the projector in the "closet" and under the stairs, I can get the lens about 67-69" from the ground and only 5-6" off from the horizontal center of the screen. I think the problem is that we would probably sit quite close and thus be in the way.


One of the easiest ways to check this is to hold a string on the bottom edge of the screen and stretch it back to where the projector lens will be and see if it hits your head or not when seated.

You could do this with math, trig and all sorts of other ways... but with a piece of string, a couple helpers, (or some tape), you can be done in about 3 minutes.

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was a pretty good evening with our local showing of the 500es and the 1000es by sony at a local retailer.

after some run down on the projectors we then got a demo from sony on both the 500es and then the 1000es on various material.

the 500es was demoed on both blu-ray, 4k mastered blu-ray and also native 4K sony material. Was quite impressed ! the projector itself is a nice looking unit. not as long as the 1000es flagship, more space friendly and uniquely it draws air in the front around the lens and blows back out of front vents so no rear vents meaning can be mounted up against walls. great design and very quiet in running. good throw/zoom as per the top level model. can be fully professionally calibrated and then has an auto sensor that takes care of any drift. the room screen setup they demoed in was pretty good too. the projector while being $13k! was run with a lens that was also in the $13k mark so all up a $26k combination.

PQ wise very clean looking, detailed and very good punch and contrast to the picture.

We then moved to another room where the big boy 1000es was located. this was even just showing the blu-ray of oblivion upscaled looked nothing short of stunning ! superb stunning picture. the projector while $26k was running a lens on it worth another $26k ! but certainly about best pictures have ever seen on a projector.

the night also included a demo of the kaleidoscope system. which very much impressed. while the system itself is priced at cost which is best not asked ! the movies I noticed are quite affordable at $24 or so, interestingly if have the blu-ray already its only $1.99 to download the hd version, if have the dvd they give you the option to download the hd version for $5. movies are also available the day they are released on blu-ray in the us. plus there is definite intent to utilise the platform to bring 4k masters and seems a very good means to bring 4K into the home.

overall very enjoyable evening, met a few familiar faces and few other new faces as well. was certainly pretty thankful of audio trends to put on the night and get the opportunity to experience this kind of stuff smile.gif

some pics from the evening,

4k demo material on the 500es


500es with lens


oblivion on 1000es


kaliedoscape demo,


One correction

The VW500/600ES takes air in around the lens, bottom of projector and also takes air in at the back two grills. All exhaust comes out the front. The back two grills are angled, so you can put it up against a wall. Did not want someone thinking they could put the back of the projector recessed into a wall, cutting off air intake for the back.
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