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post #5101 of 19418 Old 11-15-2013, 07:46 AM
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One of the easiest ways to check this is to hold a string on the bottom edge of the screen and stretch it back to where the projector lens will be and see if it hits your head or not when seated.

You could do this with math, trig and all sorts of other ways... but with a piece of string, a couple helpers, (or some tape), you can be done in about 3 minutes.

That's a great idea, thanks!

I ended up doing it in Photoshop, using 1 pixel = 1 inch. Looks like we might just make it (I tacked on several inches in height to us, so with our real heights I think we will clear it):



I like your method better, though. Will try that later.
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No more projectors for me. I'm going this route with 110"! biggrin.gif

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One correction

The VW500/600ES takes air in around the lens, bottom of projector and also takes air in at the back two grills. All exhaust comes out the front. The back two grills are angled, so you can put it up against a wall. Did not want someone thinking they could put the back of the projector recessed into a wall, cutting off air intake for the back.

thankyou that is some great information for prospective buyers smile.gif

ps one interesting note was to hear that these 4K projectors are actually hand made by sony in japan. probably some indicator to the reason they cost what they do !

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I'm so torn between the Epson 6030UB and the Sony HS55ES.

Both are the same price. Both seem to be bright enough for my 134" 2.35 screen. Neither have power lens/zoom so that is a moot point.

I've really heard nothing bad about the Sony.

Only thing I've heard bad about the Epson is the zoom/focus dials are finicky.

Anyone else torn between these two?
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I'm so torn between the Epson 6030UB and the Sony HS55ES.

Both are the same price. Both seem to be bright enough for my 134" 2.35 screen. Neither have power lens/zoom so that is a moot point.

I've really heard nothing bad about the Sony.

Only thing I've heard bad about the Epson is the zoom/focus dials are finicky.

Anyone else torn between these two?

Thats a tough decision. I would probably chose the Sony but I bet both are very good. I would however, chose the 5020 or 5030 over the Sony because I would save over $1000 for the same performance as the 6030
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Thats a tough decision. I would probably chose the Sony but I bet both are very good. I would however, chose the 5020 or 5030 over the Sony because I would save over $1000 for the same performance as the 6030

My thoughts exactly. The savings on the 5030 would have swayed me.

I just can't do a white projector in my brand new bat cave.
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was a pretty good evening with our local showing of the 500es and the 1000es by sony at a local retailer.

Was the 1000es running on a different aspect ratio screen? The letterbox bars are much darker on it compared to the 500es. Just wondering if that's due to improved contrast performance or just screen masking.
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Was the 1000es running on a different aspect ratio screen? The letterbox bars are much darker on it compared to the 500es. Just wondering if that's due to improved contrast performance or just screen masking.

oh please dont look too carefully at those pics, not meant to be demonstrative of their abilities or anything. the 1000es was running in their dedicated theatre, the shot I got of the picture on the 500es was just as we were leaving the room and there was some lights on in the room. so nothing in contrast terms in the shot there as would see when the lights are out smile.gif

all that said the 1000es even though wasnt even doing native 4K and just upscaling was simply stunning ! in all fronts. colour balance, contrast, punch to the picture, detail clarity etc etc. the 1000es is a great projector theres just nothing taking that away from it smile.gif

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I just can't do a white projector in my brand new bat cave.

+1. Epson would sell a lot more of the 5030 if they offered it in black.

For that reason, I was basically forced to get the 6030 instead of the 5030 for my bat cave, and the black projector get's the wife's approval too.

BTW, realistically you should be able to get the 6030 for about $600 more than the 5030.

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Now the 4030 is an option if you want black, although you give up some performance of course.

I thought I might hate white, but with a rear shelf mount it's not an issue, The front is mainly black and that's all you see.
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Hello Zombie...

Does the 3d movie monsters vs aliens in that bridge scene stays without ghosting on the epson 5030?

Could you check that for me please?

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+1. Epson would sell a lot more of the 5030 if they offered it in black.

For that reason, I was basically forced to get the 6030 instead of the 5030 for my bat cave, and the black projector get's the wife's approval too.

BTW, realistically you should be able to get the 6030 for about $600 more than the 5030.

Here's PC's review of the Epson 6030 for those interested. Similar to the 5030's review, but still some important differences. Both win PC's top award.

In summary PC had this to say about Epson's newest models:

"Both the 5030UB and the 6030UB are outstanding values for what they deliver. We are pleased to give them our Editor's Choice Awards. We extend our congratulations to the team at Epson for the latest significant contributions they've made to our industry."

http://www.projectorcentral.com/projector_news.cfm?2013-11-15-Epson-6030UB-and-5030UB-win-Editors-Choice&entry_id=663

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Hello Zombie...

Does the 3d movie monsters vs aliens in that bridge scene stays without ghosting on the epson 5030?

Could you check that for me please?

Best regards

That's one of the first scenes I check, it's excellent on the 5030. it's hard to find x-talk throughout any part of that movie.

I read your posts in the Sony thread, it seems like you are pleased with the HW55 so far.
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That's one of the first scenes I check, it's excellent on the 5030. it's hard to find x-talk throughout any part of that movie.

I read your posts in the Sony thread, it seems like you are pleased with the HW55 so far.

Yes i am pleased with the sony so far but with that bridge scene there is alot off ghosting on the hw55es..And i mean alot:(
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Yes i am pleased with the sony so far but with that bridge scene there is alot off ghosting on the hw55es..And i mean alot:(

I would try the following:

1) make sure your glasses are properly charged;

2) give the projector 15 minutes to warm-up before watching 3D; and

3) if the above have no effect on the 3D then exchange the unit for another. (There could be individual differences between units).
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I would try the following:

1) make sure your glasses are properly charged;

2) give the projector 15 minutes to warm-up before watching 3D; and

3) if the above have no effect on the 3D then exchange the unit for another. (There could be individual differences between units).

Hello i dont think they will exchange the unit...frown.gif

The first 2 things i did..

Did you see the hw55es in 3d?

Or good maybe some optoma glasses (Optoma 'ZF2100' )with the rf emitter could help?
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Hello i dont think they will exchange the unit...frown.gif

The first 2 things i did..

Did you see the hw55es in 3d?

Or good maybe some optoma glasses (Optoma 'ZF2100' )with the rf emitter could help?

If you're unhappy with the 3D then you may have to do what many others here have done and buy a DLP for 3D only. The 2 projector option just seems to be the unfortunate reality for those who want top-notch 3D.
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If you're unhappy with the 3D then you may have to do what many others here have done and buy a DLP for 3D only. The 2 projector option just seems to be the unfortunate reality for those who want top-notch 3D.

+1, it depends on how obsessed we're being for x-talk / flicker, etc. I have a couple of projectors here that do 3D well enough for most viewers but I still go for the Sharp 30K personally. spoiled by the flawless 3D (no x-talk, no flicker) , good contrast in 3D (thankfully no DLP Link) and very comfortable glasses.

btw, we have to re-visit how we look at 3D brightness through the glasses. We can't just go by lumen output in 3D due to the different timings of the projector/glasses combo.

The example which was a bit surprising was comparing the Epson 5030 (~1050 lumens in 3D cinema mode) vs. The Sharp 30K ~ (~750 lumens in 3D) yet they basically appear the same (through the glasses) in an A/B stack, near eye level on my HP screen.

If I didn't have the Sharp, I would be using the 5030 as the dedicated 3D projector. The FI in 3D is great yet subtle (less noticeable than the lowest setting on the HW50). The Sharp doesn't really need the FI in 3D, it's naturally smooth and doesn't really have any issues with motion in 3D.

Unless Sony and JVC changed something major this year, I think the 5030 is still lined up for best in class 3D (for non DLP projectors). It has the least flicker of the competing models and color in 3D is excellent once calibrated through the glasses.
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Zombie, you have a mini shootout round 3 coming which includes the Epson 5030, Sony VW1000 and Sony VW600. Why not add the Sharp for a David vs. Goliath 3D head-to-head battle. I'll bet the Sharp gives the heavy-duty projectors (600 and 1000) in 3D mode only a real run for their money.
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will do. I haven't seen the 600 yet, but there's a good chance I am still going to use the Sharp 30K vs. the 1000 for 3D. I am just too sensitive to the flicker even though the 3D is quite good with very minimal x-talk. Color and contrast in 3D also look great. it's always comes down to that flicker that most folks don't see.

I can go 3+ hours watching 3D on the Sharp and my eyes are just as comfortable as if I was watching 2D. this is one of my benchmarks, how do my eyes / brain feel after extended viewing. There is zero RBE in 3D on the Sharp, thankfully it has a fast color wheel and never see it.

I could also watch the 5030 in 3D for hours, they did an excellent job controlling flicker, very close to the DLP experience.
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will do. I haven't seen the 600 yet, but there's a good chance I am still going to use the Sharp 30K vs. the 1000 for 3D. I am just too sensitive to the flicker even though the 3D is quite good with very minimal x-talk. Color and contrast in 3D also look great. it's always comes down to that flicker that most folks don't see.

I can go 3+ hours watching 3D on the Sharp and my eyes are just as comfortable as if I was watching 2D. this is one of my benchmarks, how do my eyes / brain feel after extended viewing. There is zero RBE in 3D on the Sharp, thankfully it has a fast color wheel and never see it.

I could also watch the 5030 in 3D for hours, they did an excellent job controlling flicker, very close to the DLP experience.

Just 3D PQ, how do the Sharp compare to the 1000ES. The upscaled to 4K 3D doesn't kill the Sharp, like the 1000ES does in 2D to other projectors?
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Hello Zombie,

Is there a big difference in the epson 5010 and the 5030 in 2d?

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Just 3D PQ, how do the Sharp compare to the 1000ES. The upscaled to 4K 3D doesn't kill the Sharp, like the 1000ES does in 2D to other projectors?

For general comparison, the 3D on the 1000 is definitely better than the HW50, it's more naturally sharp. I wonder if part of this has to do with the vertical resolution limitation that David @ HDTV discussed in his review. He stated that it also happens to the VW500/600 but not the 1000. It will be interesting to see if the VW600 is as sharp in 3D as the VW1000.

So overall 3D looks great on the VW1000 but the limitation for me is the flicker. This is where the Sharp 30K excels big time. It has a rock solid image in 3D. It's also very sharp appearing in 3D, natural with no processing needed to make it look great.

Before it was the RS55 / 30K for my 2D / 3D combo, and now the VW1000 and Sharp 30K. I still like to fire up the Planar 8130 once in a while, this is a great 2D projector that I picked up for dirt cheap ($950) with only 80 hours on it. The OEM lamps are so cheap they are practically free.

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Hello Zombie,

Is there a big difference in the epson 5010 and the 5030 in 2d?

Best regards

it's been a while since I've seen the 5010 but I did get a chance to compare 2 5030's to the 6020 from last year. Cine4home mentions some tweaks in the optical path to increase the PQ. I agree with him, they definitely changed something this year. It's not a major difference but noticeably on my 142" screen.

I wouldn't upgrade a 5010 or 5020 for a 5030 if 2D was the only interest. The real change is the FI in 3D looks great and overall 3D performance is top of the game for non-DLP. Not perfect, but good enough for my critical eyes. The main factor is how well behaved it is with flicker, excellent for a non-DLP. I also like the factory RF glasses, my 2nd favorite vs. Sharp G20's.
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I guess ill be on the lookout for a Sharp for under $1800. I was going to get a cheap DLP with RF glasses but I want to have lens shift. I want to use RF glasses for multiple projectors so I won't have to have dlp link and rf glasses everywhere. I still can't jump on the 1000ES until next year. I just have to see what comes out next year before I go with my 4K unit. Looks like you are getting good 4K content to see how the 1000ES actually looks
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I guess ill be on the lookout for a Sharp for under $1800. I was going to get a cheap DLP with RF glasses but I want to have lens shift. I want to use RF glasses for multiple projectors so I won't have to have dlp link and rf glasses everywhere. I still can't jump on the 1000ES until next year. I just have to see what comes out next year before I go with my 4K unit. Looks like you are getting good 4K content to see how the 1000ES actually looks

I saw this reference in another thread:

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1381679/official-benq-w7000-owners-thread/3690#post_23955422

It's not < $1800, but someone just purchased the Z30K for about $2K with a 4 year warranty....
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Here's the best price I could find for the Sharp! biggrin.gif

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Sharp-XV-Z30000-DLP-Home-Theater-3D-Projector-2-FREE-3D-Glasses-HDMI-/360473140247

Apparently 23 units have been sold.

Actually, here's the best price I could find for the Sharp. Is it legit?

http://www.bestdiscountwholesalesell.com/sharp-3d-ready-dlp-projector-1080p-hdtv-169-p-664.html
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guaranteed scam...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/specific_search/www.bestdiscountwholesalesell.com

The guy on ebay selling for an outrageous price sold quite a few of them @ $2699. Then when there was only a few left, he cranked the price. No one is going to buy them @ 7K !!

There is 1 legit ebay seller left with great feedback that has a few left @ $2699.


The woot price was a steal @ 1799, I should have bought a few and flipped them on ebay.. biggrin.gif
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I wish the Benq projectors used RF 3D. We might see some from them by next fall, but I want one now. I just don't want to pay over $2000 for a 3D projector that will get used about 8-12hrs a month. I might just pick up a Optoma for about $750.
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Yes, we should have bought all the Sharps, but if you bought them all yourself, then we'd think you were bias'd even though you appear to not be :0
You are the last unbiased source we have for reviews, so be careful :P

I am not sure about the 3D brightness thing, but I'm assuming glasses and different MFR techniques can make 10-25% difference, and remember our eyes cannot really see 10% to 20% difference in brightness much at certain points (at some points they can). Since the light reception of how we perceive light is not linear just like contrast, sometimes our eyes can suddenly see a noticeable difference at 25% whereas at 15%-20% there was no noticeable difference. That's why it's hard to tell just by the eye.

So by measurements there was only a 25% to 30% difference between the 3010 and Sharp's 3D brightness, so I'm guessing the glasses are the rest of the difference, what do you think?

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HDD's typically don't use a lot of power, but they run hot if crowded into a case with poor cooling. That's a sure-fire way to fry them. A case that allows you to route cables behind the motherboard instead of in front can help keep the interior cool and tidy. And as Dreamliner says, pick a power supply that's well reviewed. 5 drives is nothing for a decent power supply and well cooled case. My SuperMicro server has 24 drives, with dual (but redundant) power supplies. It screams like a Banshee but drive temps never top 30 degrees C, and many are in the low 20's or teens. I'm building a small room for the server that will double up as a mini recording booth when I need it. Even in the basement, the cooling fans spin so fast that they create a huge amount of noise. However, I've yet to experience a hard drive failure, unlike when I was using a regular full tower case as my UnRaid server. Even though it ran 4 120mm fans, I had 4 or 5 HDD failures in a couple of years.

HD failures are rarer these days as long as you buy a well-reviewed drive, some Seagate models are still lemons, but it goes on a case-by-case basis. 4-5 HD failures is a lot for only 24 drives, wow. I've only had about 10-15 drive failures out my last batch of 200 over a 5-year period. I only bought drives with few 1-2 star ratings, so I stayed away from most Seagates except for the Enterprise Seagate SAS Cheetahs which almost never fail. About 30 of the drives were Samsungs which were bought out by Seagate (too bad), and not one Samsung has ever failed. I had some WD RE3 drive fail, and I've had some weird hiccups on a RAID controller of a Toshiba SAS drive (but 0 failures on Toshiba too out of 25 drives). About 5-10 failures on 100+ WD drives, and I did have a few non-Enterprise Seagates in the mix (not by choice), in which they had a hell-fire ridiculous failure rate of about 20% to 30%. These drives were mostly ran out of a data center though, so the constant temp keeps failures lower.

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