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Apparently this is legit. I wonder if Seegs and his degradation thread is responsible for this give away? I think I noted a price of $4,999.99 yesterday -- so maybe they're increasing the price by a thousand a day until they're all sold so move quickly.

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You guys are killing me. My Star Wars Blu Ray doesn't arrive until Sat. !!
I picked it up at Best Buy on Tuesday, but haven't had a chance to watch it - but will tonight! This movie is said to be reference quality and just made for front projection.
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Apparently this is legit. I wonder if Seegs and his degradation thread is responsible for this give away? I think I noted a price of $4,999.99 yesterday -- so maybe they're increasing the price by a thousand a day until they're all sold so move quickly.

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
That's a discontinued model, and it says it is out of stock. I doubt Sony has any left.
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Craig, this should hold you over until the Star Wars BD gets there tomorrow.

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I picked it up at Best Buy on Tuesday, but haven't had a chance to watch it - but will tonight! This movie is said to be reference quality and just made for front projection.
I still haven't watched the last Hunger Games movie, so that will keep me entertained tonight while I wait !
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Thanks Kevin, I almost ordered these before the 4K Fusion cable arrived. The Samsung player has been well behaved since the firmware update so I'm leaving well enough alone for now until I get the 7200.

how was your Star Wars viewing? The contrast in the low APL scenes looked noticeably better than the 3 premiere theaters I saw it in.

Oh man Jas… it was an awesome experience (sorry Craig but tomorrow will be a great night for you… promise!). Hell we're watching again tomorrow with a few friends!

Just wait till you get your Denon 7200WA… you will be in A/V Nirvana (even tho SWTFA is not ATMOS or DTSx you will love NeuralX in 7.1!).


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Some reviews knocked the Force Awakens for being too dark in some scenes. I thought it looked excellent on my 4910. Definitely reference and it really allowed the excellent black level and contrast of the JVC to shine. Skin tones, colors, and detail were all fantastic. Very glad they shot this one on film, as it just looks "right" for the movie.
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Some reviews knocked the Force Awakens for being too dark in some scenes. I thought it looked excellent on my 4910. Definitely reference and it really allowed the excellent black level and contrast of the JVC to shine. Skin tones, colors, and detail were all fantastic. Very glad they shot this one on film, as it just looks "right" for the movie.
On my RS600 last night those dark scenes looked outstanding. My wife is enjoying the movie, and I'm over here going " Holy cow - look at that contrast " !
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Some reviews knocked the Force Awakens for being too dark in some scenes. I thought it looked excellent on my 4910. Definitely reference and it really allowed the excellent black level and contrast of the JVC to shine. Skin tones, colors, and detail were all fantastic. Very glad they shot this one on film, as it just looks "right" for the movie.
I definitely thought there was some crushed blacks. I had to force a lower gamma in MadVR to help it out a bit. Towards the beginning when Poe is in the tent talking both of their faces showed a lot of crushed blacks to the point where I thought I had set something up incorrectly.
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I definitely thought there was some crushed blacks. I had to force a lower gamma in MadVR to help it out a bit. Towards the beginning when Poe is in the tent talking both of their faces showed a lot of crushed blacks to the point where I thought I had set something up incorrectly.
Yeah maybe in those early shots. But it wasn't an issue throughout. I took it as directors intent but who knows.
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Some reviews knocked the Force Awakens for being too dark in some scenes. I thought it looked excellent on my 4910. Definitely reference and it really allowed the excellent black level and contrast of the JVC to shine. Skin tones, colors, and detail were all fantastic. Very glad they shot this one on film, as it just looks "right" for the movie.
Totally agree. I thought it looked very good my RS4810 and it could be a situation depending on one's gamma curve as far as some scenes being too dark.
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Totally agree. I thought it looked very good my RS4810 and it could be a situation depending on one's gamma curve as far as some scenes being too dark.
There are a few scenes where a projector with a poor black level would certainly struggle, and would be a difficult to see muddled mess. The one scene where I think an Imperial Battle Cruiser enters a dark star field was one scene that really tested the limits of my RS600's contrast. Still, I was able to see lots of detail. That's the kind of scene that is made for the JVC for sure.
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There are a few scenes where a projector with a poor black level would certainly struggle, and would be a difficult to see muddled mess. The one scene where I think an Imperial Battle Cruiser enters a dark star field was one scene that really tested the limits of my RS600's contrast. Still, I was able to see lots of detail. That's the kind of scene that is made for the JVC for sure.

I'd like to check that scene. Do you remember the time stamp?
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I'd like to check that scene. Do you remember the time stamp?
I do not - but I plan on watching again soon, so I'll try and make a note of it.
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this is old info but I just realized that I had another Samsung remote from an old 3D BD player I had a while back. By chance I tried it with the 8500 and it works perfect! Now hulk wants to smash that toy remote...



Since the firmware update + 4K fusion cable, I haven't had any problems with the player. I'm surprised how good Netflix UHD looks. I haven't seen any skipping or macro-blocking during extended viewing.

some are not pleased with the player (VW665 owners?) but i'm enjoying it right now with my current setup.
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Since last week on my Sony 665ES, I did a complete calibration and revisit every settings and was able to achieved a measure contrast ratio of : 21129:1 (reference mode, low lamp, no dynamic iris, manual iris 80% open, measure 2 feet from the lens with a AEMC 813 meter, full black room from floor to ceiling)

At that level the "perceived" contrast is very good but it's even better if I activated the dynamic iris in "limited". The new dynamic iris algorithm is very impressive and it's the first time I used a dynamic iris on a projector (own close to 20 models in the past 7 years)

With the dynamic iris activated, I can reach a "perceived" contrast in line with the lower end JVC model...

For a Sony this is more than good !
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Rick thanks for the info. Did you take a measurement at wide open?
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Rick thanks for the info. Did you take a measurement at wide open?
Yes wide open is a bit lower. Since closing the iris help with the black floor.

If I remember it was close to 18000:1
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Yes wide open is a bit lower. Since closing the iris help with the black floor.

If I remember it was close to 18000:1
18,000:1 with iris wide open and no dynamic iris? That sounds high to me.
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Cine4home's info is below. Do we have any other data points from VW665 owners?

After calibration remain of 11000: 1 to 17.000: 1, the series average of around 13,500:. 1
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I am getting a 400 on tuesday. I am not that picky when it comes to video calibration. Can someone either pm me their settings or point me to where some are? My screen is 55 x 132 2.40 1.3 gain. I know each setup is different but I just want it close enough. Thanks in advance.
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Cine4home's info is below. Do we have any other data points from VW665 owners?

After calibration remain of 11000: 1 to 17.000: 1, the series average of around 13,500:. 1
This guy measure 19164.4 : 1 http://performances-home-cinema.fr/2...resultats-hdr/

I just redid my measurement to be sure and I get 17312:1 (iris fully open)

21345:1 (Iris open at 80%)
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I am getting a 400 on tuesday. I am not that picky when it comes to video calibration. Can someone either pm me their settings or point me to where some are? My screen is 55 x 132 2.40 1.3 gain. I know each setup is different but I just want it close enough. Thanks in advance.
Click on the link in my signature. It has base settings and will also apply to the RS400.

I had an RS400 here for a few weeks next to my RS600, it's a remarkable bang for the buck and JVC's best base model projector to date.

Besides gaming performance, there would be little if any reason to consider the HW65 in comparison. Same average lens as the HW30 from 2011, 6500:1 native (not impressive in my blacked out room), 3D is unchanged in years as well.
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I am getting a 400 on tuesday. I am not that picky when it comes to video calibration. Can someone either pm me their settings or point me to where some are? My screen is 55 x 132 2.40 1.3 gain. I know each setup is different but I just want it close enough. Thanks in advance.
I'm glad you asked your question on this thread and that zombie10k had the answer for you. I had PM'd him a question about settings a while back, but never received a reply.

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Sorry Dave, I get a ton of pms and it's very difficult to keep up. If you still need info I'll go back and find the message.
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Thanks for the additional info Rick. I wonder where the variances are between Cine4home's original info and your recent measurements + this info.




This seems like a bit of an odd year for Sony. HW65 is basically the same as a the HW55. The VW1100 is still for sale as a current product but expect that will change at the end of the year. The 665 didn't get the full HDMI chipset. No Sony UHD player as they focus on new streaming services, seemingly abandoning development on the UHD media player that was pushed with their 4K projectors.
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Andreas posted his VW520 measurements in the 665 thread, thank you.

This number seem a little hig when comparing to other peoples measurements, I measured the 520 I had in for a test to 14641:1 with the iris wide open and 19808:1 with the iris fully closed and 226401:1 with the iris sat to Auto Full. This is about the same as other peoples measurements and was measured with a Klein K10A facing the lens with the diffusor on.

so matching or exceeding the flagship model's contrast, what did they change for the increase? The VW600 was ~8000K:1 and we could easily see the difference between it and last year's JVC's in low APL scenes with a split source.
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I definitely thought there was some crushed blacks. I had to force a lower gamma in MadVR to help it out a bit. Towards the beginning when Poe is in the tent talking both of their faces showed a lot of crushed blacks to the point where I thought I had set something up incorrectly.

Dylan when you state this how do you setup gamma when you can change it on the proj and madvr?


I set the proj to 2.2 and madvr also to 2.2, is that correct or not?

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Thanks for the additional info Rick. I wonder where the variances are between Cine4home's original info and your recent measurements + this info.




This seems like a bit of an odd year for Sony. HW65 is basically the same as a the HW55. The VW1100 is still for sale as a current product but expect that will change at the end of the year. The 665 didn't get the full HDMI chipset. No Sony UHD player as they focus on new streaming services, seemingly abandoning development on the UHD media player that was pushed with their 4K projectors
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You can say that again. The first company to bring 4K projectors to consumers has no 4K UHD BR player even announced. I'm still scratching my head.
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Dylan when you state this how do you setup gamma when you can change it on the proj and madvr?


I set the proj to 2.2 and madvr also to 2.2, is that correct or not?
MadVR places a flat 2.2 gamma on the source if you enable the gamma function and will alter the content. I normally only use it if I find the source content needs some extra help.
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