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Hello i have a strange problem with my JVC rs400.


I looks the same as ghosting in 3d but it happens in 2d
When there is a people face or a black sword or something with a white background you see a silhouette round the people face or sword when the camera pans.


It has the same look as ghosting in 3d..


I dont know what is is.i cant find a solution
Are you using the motion enhance setting? If so, try turning that off.
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Are you using the motion enhance setting? If so, try turning that off.

Hello there.


Even with that setting off you see it.
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Hello there.


Even with that setting off you see it.
Not sure then. I will see something similar to what you describe when using the motion enhance setting (not clear motion drive, but the motion enhance). But when motion enhance is off, I don't see that.
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Not sure then. I will see something similar to what you describe when using the motion enhance setting (not clear motion drive, but the motion enhance). But when motion enhance is off, I don't see that.

Maybe theres a bug that my motion enhance stays on even when i turn it off....
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Maybe theres a bug that my motion enhance stays on even when i turn it off....
Hmm, not sure if it's exactly relevant but avforums (https://www.avforums.com/review/jvc-...r-review.12191) reported a bug in their X7000 review earlier in January:

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And to wrap up on the subject of new formats and the compatibility issues we noticed - when fed an Ultra HD signal from the Fire TV box via Amazon Prime or Netflix the screen would go blank for a few seconds as it switched to 3840 x 2160/24p and when the image returned it did so with CMD frame interpolation on full, even when in the menus CMD would be showing as off. This is clearly a bug as we were able to switch CMD on and the off again to clear the issue and turn off interpolation. We have fed this back to JVC. Also note that when switching to 3D mode the exact same thing happens.
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Maybe theres a bug that my motion enhance stays on even when i turn it off....
There is a bug in the original firmware that can cause "clear motion drive" to be on even when you have it off. But as far as I'm aware this bug did not affect the motion enhancement setting (which is a completely separate setting).

CMD doesn't cause the type of issue you are dscribing, but motion enhancement can (in my experience).
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Hello there.


Even with that setting off you see it.


Turn e-shift off and see if that helps.
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Turn e-shift off and see if that helps.
Hello there,


I dont use eshift.
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Hello there,


I dont use eshift.
I'm sorry. I meant to say turn e-shift ON.
Somehow this is tied to e-shift. Even using high with e-shift on causes no problem.
I ended up with this feature off and e-shift off as I didn't see any benefit from either on 1080p or 1080i sources.
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I was thinking about upgrading my trusted Mede8ter with the new Dune 4K Solo but it looks like the new owners are experiencing a number of different issues upon it's release.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-net...player-57.html

https://www.duneplayer.com/hd4ksolo.html

as much as I like torture and pain, I may wait until this one gets vetted out by the media player fanatics.

Dune had a big name in this area at one point. This is their chance to get back that spotlight but all the key features have to work and work well. Let's see how quickly they fix these current bugs and I'll reconsider. I've done enough beta-testing of gear to last a lifetime.
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I was thinking about upgrading my trusted Mede8ter with the new Dune 4K Solo but it looks like the new owners are experiencing a number of different issues upon it's release.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-net...player-57.html

https://www.duneplayer.com/hd4ksolo.html

as much as I like torture and pain, I may wait until this one gets vetted out by the media player fanatics.

Dune had a big name in this area at one point. This is their chance to get back that spotlight but all the key features have to work and work well. Let's see how quickly they fix these current bugs and I'll reconsider. I've done enough beta-testing of gear to last a lifetime.
AH! Tired of "living on the bleeding edge"?

You've taken enough arrows in the back for others.

Sit back and enjoy (your new room).

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Maybe theres a bug that my motion enhance stays on even when i turn it off....
john what firmware version is installed on your JVC?
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john what firmware version is installed on your JVC?

Hello there it must be the first firmware,i never updated my JVC.


Here is an example of what i mean,look around his face.


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Hello there it must be the first firmware,i never updated my JVC.


Here is an example of what i mean,look around his face.


That looks like edge enhancement. Go under the MPC settings and turn all the sliders to 0. Then find the Clear Black settings in the menu and turn it to Off. Also make sure that the Motion Enhance feature is turn to Off as well. What else is in your video chain? Is there anything else that might be doing video processing. A blu-ray player or A/V receiver perhaps?

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That looks like edge enhancement. Go under the MPC settings and turn all the sliders to 0. Then find the Clear Black settings in the menu and turn it to Off. Also make sure that the Motion Enhance feature is turn to Off as well. What else is in your video chain? Is there anything else that might be doing video processing. A blu-ray player or A/V receiver perhaps?

Hello there thx for the reply,


I shall try that tonight,but it only happens when the camera pans..
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Hello there thx for the reply,


I shall try that tonight,but it only happens when the camera pans..
Then it's the motion enhancement causing the issue. Open up the main menu and then go under Picture Adjust --> Blur Reduction --> Motion Enhance and set it to "Off". It should fix this issue.
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Then it's the motion enhancement causing the issue. Open up the main menu and then go under Picture Adjust --> Blur Reduction --> Motion Enhance and set it to "Off". It should fix this issue.

Hello there i have this setting on off.
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Hello there i have this setting on off.
You have both CMD and the Blur Reduction to off? I really can't think of anything else it might be. The projector does save settings on an input and picture mode basis so if you've gone to a new mode or HDMI input you should double check to make sure it's not re-enabled.
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Hello there i have this setting on off.
Do you see this problem with all sources ?
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Hello there i have this setting on off.
I know what you meant - just looks funny

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I don't watch much TV but every once in a while I like to see what's going on with current TV hardware.

It looks like there are some noticeable issues with some sets out there. I just happened to see this thread regarding a 2016 Sony XBR-65X930D. A quick lookup shows this streets for around $3300 US.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...d-sony-tv.html


quick executive summary of the issues

* Frame is bent to varying degrees (not just 1 copy)
* Major 3D issues (crosstalk)
*Color uniformity issues
* Flashlighting (Or 'Bright Corners')

In the posted youtube video on the link, 8:34 shows very obvious cloudy corners - that would drive me mad during low APL scenes.

the interaction between the forum member and Sony + Crutchfields interaction with Sony on these issues is worth reading.


It makes me feel a bit better about some of the issues we discuss regarding the different projectors. They seem mild in comparison to a set like this with high level advertised features and then obvious issues when the rubber meets the road.

I have several Panasonic Plasma's from 2008 that still work fine and a few LCD's that wont die. When they come down in price, definitely an OLED. Galaxy S7 screen spoils like no other.

I'd like to buy a nice 27"-30" OLED PC Monitor. How come we haven't see these yet?

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In the posted youtube video on the link, 8:34 shows very obvious cloudy corners - that would drive me mad during low APL scenes.
It's not like projectors are immune from bright corners either. Just look back at the complaints posted here earlier in the year.

I wonder if JVC has managed to improve uniformity on the latest batches being produced now or if it's still luck of the draw.
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it's the sum of the issues that is alarming for a $3300 product. Structural issues, below average 3D, color uniformity issues (that looked significant in the examples) and the noticeable clouding which looks like it would have been visible on more than low APL scenes. I've seen crap LCD monitors with the same behavior.

regarding the BC on the JVC, I can only go by 5 different units that were in my HT. The first 4 were early production (Nov/Dec) and had the BC to varying degrees. The best of those 4 happened to be mine and it met an unfortunate fate with powering down in the middle of viewing. The replacement was a blessing (March 2016 build) and the BC is considerably better than the first 4.

This is an excellent sample with even focus uniformity and convergence I wouldn't touch, it's that good on this specific unit. I haven't seen any recent complaints from new owners and have seen patterns from a few different RS500's that looked quite good - certainly better than what we saw on those early production runs. Has it been resolved? I don't have the answer but am quite happy with this specific RS600 right now.


regarding issues for projectors in general - the JVC is certainly not the only one that had or could have had issues. We saw some 4K Sony's with terrible OOTB convergence on the German forums. VW1000/1100's losing contrast, Epson models also with below average OOTB convergence. Even the uber-expensive Sony VW5000ES had a few reports of new owners with noticeable convergence issues. Maybe from shipping... maybe from poor QC, who knows. For that price, it better be flawless and make me breakfast in the morning.
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regarding the BC on the JVC, I can only go by 5 different units that were in my HT. The first 4 were early production (Nov/Dec) and had the BC to varying degrees. The best of those 4 happened to be mine and it met an unfortunate fate with powering down in the middle of viewing. The replacement was a blessing (March 2016 build) and the BC is considerably better than the first 4.
Surprised JVC sent you a new replacement instead of going through the ordeal of having the original one shipped around for repair service. Based on the lack of recent BC complaints compared to the launch period, it does seem like things must have improved somewhat. I guess that's the price of being an early adopter.
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it's the sum of the issues that is alarming for a $3300 product. Structural issues, below average 3D, color uniformity issues (that looked significant in the examples) and the noticeable clouding which looks like it would have been visible on more than low APL scenes. I've seen crap LCD monitors with the same behavior.

regarding the BC on the JVC, I can only go by 5 different units that were in my HT. The first 4 were early production (Nov/Dec) and had the BC to varying degrees. The best of those 4 happened to be mine and it met an unfortunate fate with powering down in the middle of viewing. The replacement was a blessing (March 2016 build) and the BC is considerably better than the first 4.

This is an excellent sample with even focus uniformity and convergence I wouldn't touch, it's that good on this specific unit. I haven't seen any recent complaints from new owners and have seen patterns from a few different RS500's that looked quite good - certainly better than what we saw on those early production runs. Has it been resolved? I don't have the answer but am quite happy with this specific RS600 right now.


regarding issues for projectors in general - the JVC is certainly not the only one that had or could have had issues. We saw some 4K Sony's with terrible OOTB convergence on the German forums. VW1000/1100's losing contrast, Epson models also with below average OOTB convergence. Even the uber-expensive Sony VW5000ES had a few reports of new owners with noticeable convergence issues. Maybe from shipping... maybe from poor QC, who knows. For that price, it better be flawless and make me breakfast in the morning.
That would be great, if it would peel my oranges and separate the sections.
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Surprised JVC sent you a new replacement instead of going through the ordeal of having the original one shipped around for repair service. Based on the lack of recent BC complaints compared to the launch period, it does seem like things must have improved somewhat. I guess that's the price of being an early adopter.
Why would you say that? We only had one guy that sent his in for repair and that was because everything was excellent on the projector, except for a noise issue. All of the rest, were exchanged.
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This is an excellent sample with even focus uniformity and convergence I wouldn't touch, it's that good on this specific unit. I haven't seen any recent complaints from new owners and have seen patterns from a few different RS500's that looked quite good - certainly better than what we saw on those early production runs. Has it been resolved? I don't have the answer but am quite happy with this specific RS600 right now.
My replacement X9000 (RS600) that I took delivery of a few weeks ago also has significantly better convergence and overall sharpness than the unit it replaced that was delivered to me in December.

EDIT: Interestingly the new unit also required no adjustment to contrast or brightness out of the box either, they were both spot on left on zero (never had that before), and it fully resolves 17 on the brightness test pattern without any 'help' from my Lumagen or anywhere else!
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I've heard for sometime now with JVCs that early production models tend to have more issues where as later ones are more solid in this regard.
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Why would you say that? We only had one guy that sent his in for repair and that was because everything was excellent on the projector, except for a noise issue. All of the rest, were exchanged.
Zombie's original was from Dec and his replacement was from March. So I'm assuming around 4 months passed between receiving the first and second unit.
That's well past any store's return/exchange policy that I'm aware of. Are you saying JVC themselves directly exchanged it for him after all that time?
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I've heard for sometime now with JVCs that early production models tend to have more issues where as later ones are more solid in this regard.
Can't speak to previous years, but they had a really tough time meeting demand this year. As a result, the RS500/600 were severely delayed in Europe - only really becoming widely available recently. That's why the Cine4Home review was so delayed on the upper models. Maybe in their rush to meet demand they cut a few corners or relaxed their QC standards. Who knows. Now that the pressure if off, maybe they are spending more time on QC or have excess inventory of higher spec parts to put in projectors.

It's all speculation anyway. I'm basing this only on the amount of complaints I'm seeing now vs. earlier in the year. But maybe sales in general are just slower now and nothing has really changed as far as quality. We would need a larger sample size of people who replaced older builds with new ones to draw any conclusions.
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