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post #19351 of 19423 Old 03-19-2019, 01:37 PM - Thread Starter
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I looked at it, I believe it is closer to 10grand up here eh. Very nice Projector indeed, but I am going to be a few years from upgrading my PJ. The new screen is a mini upgrade and I am concentrating on sound while I wait for the laser PJ market to mature. Took the PJ money and bought some headphones and built a sub, new AVR is next lol. I could use some pointers for calibrating a high gain screen, mainly meter placement, I use Calman and a C6 meter I also have a color box 3d lut.
The 2.4 gain screen will definitely add some new life to the X500. send me a PM when you get the screen installed, I'll send some photos of how I placed the meter during calibration.

We watched Aquaman and Spider Man Into the Spider Verse in UHD this weekend, both looked amazing. The bright HP screen in a velvet pit is an excellent combo especially for HDR and 3D content.
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The 2.4 gain screen will definitely add some new life to the X500. send me a PM when you get the screen installed, I'll send some photos of how I placed the meter during calibration.

We watched Aquaman and Spider Man Into the Spider Verse in UHD this weekend, both looked amazing. The bright HP screen in a velvet pit is an excellent combo especially for HDR and 3D content.
Aquaman looked amazing. I watched about 30minutes of the Spiderman and it did look good too
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The 2.4 gain screen will definitely add some new life to the X500. send me a PM when you get the screen installed, I'll send some photos of how I placed the meter during calibration.

We watched Aquaman and Spider Man Into the Spider Verse in UHD this weekend, both looked amazing. The bright HP screen in a velvet pit is an excellent combo especially for HDR and 3D content.
Great to hear! I got Spiderman on tap for tom along with Mortal Engines and Wreck it Ralph 2 sometime over the weekend all in UHD. Got Aquaman coming Tues.

Been a killer 2019 for bass and/or reference PQ films already!
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Great to hear! I got Spiderman on tap for tom along with Mortal Engines and Wreck it Ralph 2 sometime over the weekend all in UHD. Got Aquaman coming Tues.

Been a killer 2019 for bass and/or reference PQ films already!
Mortal Engines was great PQ with great bass. It was filmed in 8K, so it looked great.
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The 2.4 gain screen will definitely add some new life to the X500. send me a PM when you get the screen installed, I'll send some photos of how I placed the meter during calibration.

We watched Aquaman and Spider Man Into the Spider Verse in UHD this weekend, both looked amazing. The bright HP screen in a velvet pit is an excellent combo especially for HDR and 3D content.
I've seen Spider verse in 2D and 3D. I've watched the whole movie in 3D on my OLED TV (I sit about 5 feet back) and parts of it on my LS10000. It is soooo much better in 3D!

Netflix is promoting Ultraman in April in 3D -- is this just BS or do we get the option of watching it in 3D? Anyone know?
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I've seen Spider verse in 2D and 3D. I've watched the whole movie in 3D on my OLED TV (I sit about 5 feet back) and parts of it on my LS10000. It is soooo much better in 3D!

Netflix is promoting Ultraman in April in 3D -- is this just BS or do we get the option of watching it in 3D? Anyone know?
Does the 3d version have the Atmos? If so, any particular version I should be buying off Ebay to ensure the Atmos is on there?
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I don't think i'll ever buy another bulb based PJ so I'll be waiting for a time until a 4k laser JVC is in the 5-7grand range. That is why I tracked down a 2.4 gain screen to give my JVCX500 a much-needed brightness boost. I nearly bought the Optoma UHZ65 but I backed out in the end for worry of RBE. I never saw it on my Benq W7000 but I was reading it was particularly bad on the UHZ so I got spooked.
Me either. Now that I've got the 3D working properly on my LS10000 I'm a happy camper. I really like my JVC projectors but rarely use them due to the lamps. The Epson is my default projector for watching pretty much everything (I do use my OLED TV a fair bit as well).

Every time I read the hype about one of the new JVC projectors I have to remind myself what its like to own a lamp based one and that brings me back to reality.
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Me either. Now that I've got the 3D working properly on my LS10000 I'm a happy camper. I really like my JVC projectors but rarely use them due to the lamps. The Epson is my default projector for watching pretty much everything (I do use my OLED TV a fair bit as well).

Every time I read the hype about one of the new JVC projectors I have to remind myself what its like to own a lamp based one and that brings me back to reality.
I dont get the anti-lamp, laser-hype thinking. ive never replaced a lamp on a projector of mine and tend to keep mine some 3 or so years. replacing then as tech seems to move on to point worth replacing at that point. like you i do run two displays with the projector being for movies and use a flat panel for every day tv.

even if i did replace a lamp its 100s of dollars vs x$1000s or x$10000s up for a laser unit. the dollars dont stack up and certainly neither do the arguments. Id argue laser for some other reasons but the reason isnt die to replacing lamps or anything.

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Does the 3d version have the Atmos? If so, any particular version I should be buying off Ebay to ensure the Atmos is on there?
check your email.. 3D version + ATMOS was amazing, it's one of the best 3D animations i've seen in years!


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Mortal Engines was great PQ with great bass. It was filmed in 8K, so it looked great.
holy carp.. where did this movie come from? I hadn't seen any trailers for it. wow! I loved this movie from beginning to end. The musical score and soundtrack were out of this world good. LFE hit the 18"'s hard, ground shaking

The visuals were also remarkable. I recently calibrated the RS600, this movie was made for JVC's. all of the low APL scenes looked very convincing.

high recommend to check this out!
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check your email.. 3D version + ATMOS was amazing, it's one of the best 3D animations i've seen in years!




holy carp.. where did this movie come from? I hadn't seen any trailers for it. wow! I loved this movie from beginning to end. The musical score and soundtrack were out of this world good. LFE hit the 18"'s hard, ground shaking

The visuals were also remarkable. I recently calibrated the RS600, this movie was made for JVC's. all of the low APL scenes looked very convincing.

high recommend to check this out!


I loved the movie as well but did not find the bass anywhere near A Quiet Place, Ready Player One, Spider Man Into the spiderverse , etc ... maybe I will have to give it another play... can’t remember if I was watching at a bit lower levels late at night or not.


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check your email.. 3D version + ATMOS was amazing, it's one of the best 3D animations i've seen in years!




holy carp.. where did this movie come from? I hadn't seen any trailers for it. wow! I loved this movie from beginning to end. The musical score and soundtrack were out of this world good. LFE hit the 18"'s hard, ground shaking

The visuals were also remarkable. I recently calibrated the RS600, this movie was made for JVC's. all of the low APL scenes looked very convincing.

high recommend to check this out!
Just emailed you back. Thanks so much my friend!

Ironically, I just now finished ME UHD and WOW, both the audio and video were fantastic!! I also really enjoyed the film. I watched part of a blu ray rental last weekend and then bought the 4k version the next day. Awesome disc!
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I loved the movie as well but did not find the bass anywhere near A Quiet Place, Ready Player One, Spider Man Into the spiderverse , etc ... maybe I will have to give it another play... can’t remember if I was watching at a bit lower levels late at night or not.
I watched it tonight from 11:30pm-1:30am a lot louder than I should have.. Give it a go again when you have a chance.

The visuals are about as good as it gets -wow - RED Weapon Helium 8K, Zeiss Master & Ultra Prime Lenses +4K DI. they did a very good job preserving highlights and shadow details in all of the low-very low APL scenes.
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I watched it tonight from 11:30pm-1:30am a lot louder than I should have.. Give it a go again when you have a chance.

The visuals are about as good as it gets -wow - RED Weapon Helium 8K, Zeiss Master & Ultra Prime Lenses +4K DI. they did a very good job preserving highlights and shadow details in all of the low-very low APL scenes.
I completely agree on the picture quality. Detail and lack of noise was incredible. Maybe the best I have seen to date. It really cements my thoughts that I may not see a benefit from going to 4K at my seating distance and screen size.

I am reading in other forums that this movie needs bas EQ to truly bring out the ULF. That is what I am missing since my system is very capable in this area.

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I dont get the anti-lamp, laser-hype thinking. ive never replaced a lamp on a projector of mine and tend to keep mine some 3 or so years. replacing then as tech seems to move on to point worth replacing at that point. like you i do run two displays with the projector being for movies and use a flat panel for every day tv.

even if i did replace a lamp its 100s of dollars vs x$1000s or x$10000s up for a laser unit. the dollars dont stack up and certainly neither do the arguments. Id argue laser for some other reasons but the reason isnt die to replacing lamps or anything.
I have averaged 3 bulbs a year since I got my JVCX500 in 2014, thats 300 a bulb....plus I have to calibrate every 500hrs. Laser is rock solid for up to 25000 hours, very appealing to a heavy user.
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I have averaged 3 bulbs a year since I got my JVCX500 in 2014, thats 300 a bulb....plus I have to calibrate every 500hrs. Laser is rock solid for up to 25000 hours, very appealing to a heavy user.
were you running high lamp? how many hours between lamp changes? With the increase in lumens starting with the 2015 series, I typically run low lamp (almost as bright as the X500 in high lamp) and was still on the original lamp at ~1900 hours. I swapped in a new lamp recently and was surprised to see how well the original lamp was still performing. The OEM bulbs for 2015+ are out there for less than half of what you mentioned paying for X500 lamp.

The new 4K models were obviously built to house a laser in the future, the chassis is massive compared to the e-shift models. so maybe ~2 years before we see them. I have 5 spare lamps and have plenty of patience until the laser tax is more reasonable

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were you running high lamp? how many hours between lamp changes? With the increase in lumens starting with the 2015 series, I typically run low lamp (almost as bright as the X500 in high lamp) and was still on the original lamp at ~1900 hours. I swapped in a new lamp recently and was surprised to see how well the original lamp was still performing. The OEM bulbs for 2015+ are out there for less than half of what you mentioned paying for X500 lamp.

The new 4K models were obviously built to house a laser in the future, the chassis is massive compared to the e-shift models. so maybe ~2 years before we see them. I have 5 spare lamps and have plenty of patience until the laser tax is more reasonable
1500 in low lamp, high lamp is too loud. This is why I am grabbing a high gain screen, fewer lamps until I can get laser. I have had bad luck with cheaper and bare bulbs.

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I have averaged 3 bulbs a year since I got my JVCX500 in 2014, thats 300 a bulb....plus I have to calibrate every 500hrs. Laser is rock solid for up to 25000 hours, very appealing to a heavy user.
Laser doesn't appear to be the rock solid panacea as previously believed. Reports of the RS4500, LS10000, and Sony have showed some drifting with the proper meters required for measuring them.
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The JVC lamps (from the 2016 models and Up) are very stable.

Here is my cal tune-up by Chad a few weeks ago.

I'm near the 1000 hour mark on my lamp; his last cal was at the 400 hour mark. Now, during this last 600 hours, some high lamp was used (for UHD - maybe 25% of the time) and I was doing more on/off power cycling as I was doing briefer periods of viewing. Both matters causes more lamp wear (versus using low lamp and fewer power cycles). So with all of that happening, there was very little delta difference/drift as the report shows.

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holy carp.. where did this movie come from? I hadn't seen any trailers for it. wow! I loved this movie from beginning to end. The musical score and soundtrack were out of this world good. LFE hit the 18"'s hard, ground shaking

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I dont get the anti-lamp, laser-hype thinking. ive never replaced a lamp on a projector of mine and tend to keep mine some 3 or so years. replacing then as tech seems to move on to point worth replacing at that point. like you i do run two displays with the projector being for movies and use a flat panel for every day tv.

even if i did replace a lamp its 100s of dollars vs x$1000s or x$10000s up for a laser unit. the dollars dont stack up and certainly neither do the arguments. Id argue laser for some other reasons but the reason isnt die to replacing lamps or anything.
I had two LED projectors and put maybe 1000 hours on it a year. Probably less, so I'm not too concern with paying the premium unless I get a great deal.
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I do my own calibrations and now that I have a 3D lut colorbox it is automated, so I do it out of habit.

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1500 in low lamp, high lamp is too loud. This is why I am grabbing a high gain screen, fewer lamps until I can get laser. I have had bad luck with cheaper and bare bulbs.
Which high gain screen are you going to buy? I got a Severtson 2.2 gain screen and it's good quality
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I completely agree on the picture quality. Detail and lack of noise was incredible. Maybe the best I have seen to date. It really cements my thoughts that I may not see a benefit from going to 4K at my seating distance and screen size.

I am reading in other forums that this movie needs bas EQ to truly bring out the ULF. That is what I am missing since my system is very capable in this area.
I moved my seating distance back because I was too close for me. I still benefit from the further distance with 4k. I did get new glasses though and that may be the benefit I'm seeing. Didn't know how much my eye sight caused me to lose so much detail
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I moved my seating distance back because I was too close for me. I still benefit from the further distance with 4k. I did get new glasses though and that may be the benefit I'm seeing. Didn't know how much my eye sight caused me to lose so much detail
You can never be too close and the screen can never be too big.
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Which high gain screen are you going to buy? I got a Severtson 2.2 gain screen and it's good quality
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I have averaged 3 bulbs a year since I got my JVCX500 in 2014, thats 300 a bulb....plus I have to calibrate every 500hrs. Laser is rock solid for up to 25000 hours, very appealing to a heavy user.
sorry I dont buy it, half life of lamps on jvc projectors have been 3000-4000 hours and people been having pretty steady performance on them for that. at that sort of rate taking low end looking at 9000 hours a year ! or 27,000 hours every three thats likely to put through $4500 in lamps over that time vs a laser projector needing to be likely put on the scrap heap with that sort of hours ! the economics still dont stack up at that sort of extreme.

in any case thats not extreme thats VERY extreme at 9000 hours a year and a conservative 3000 hours a lamp thats watching over 24 hours a day 365 days a year ! even if took half the 3000 hours estimate if blowing through lamps running them on high that watching 12 hours a day ? every day 365 days a week ? who would do that unless you are in the very very very extreme category ?

also I am not sure about calibration and how rock solid laser is for 25000 hours ? I remember chadb disproving that claim saying laser isnt quite as solid as some claim and also does droop

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I had two LED projectors and put maybe 1000 hours on it a year. Probably less, so I'm not too concern with paying the premium unless I get a great deal.
1000 hours over years is not extreme, thats 3000 in 3 years or a lamp every 3 years whats that $500 cost ? is that much of a premium ? i wouldnt think so ? to put in perspective like the person I was originally responding to I have dual displays and run telly for most things like every day tv and such which would be too horrid in PQ to be enlarging to a larger screen in anycase. though would watch some sport concerts and bigger screen events, still only manage 1-2 at best 3 movies a week on the projector and in 3 years have just only got to 1000 hours ... and my lamp is in great nick right now there is no ways id consider replacement in any ways.

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The JVC lamps (from the 2016 models and Up) are very stable.

Here is my cal tune-up by Chad a few weeks ago.

I'm near the 1000 hour mark on my lamp; his last cal was at the 400 hour mark. Now, during this last 600 hours, some high lamp was used (for UHD - maybe 25% of the time) and I was doing more on/off power cycling as I was doing briefer periods of viewing. Both matters causes more lamp wear (versus using low lamp and fewer power cycles). So with all of that happening, there was very little delta difference/drift as the report shows.

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exactly ive seen plenty with this experience and mine follows this as well. I dont eve run high lamp in my case, but I do think this series of jvc lamps have been great

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ok...you don't have to buy it. But there is no way in heck that I could get 3000 hours out of a lamp. 1500 is pushing it for me. Not sure why you think I am lying. You don't want a laser that is fine with me man, you do you but I am waiting for a 4k laser with at least 30 000 on off for under 10 grand.

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I'm on my second lamp. My first got about 3,000 hours before I replaced it (mainly due to the warning from JVC not because the brightness had dropped). I'm almost 2,000 hours on bulb #2 .
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ok...you don't have to buy it. But there is no way in heck that I could get 3000 hours out of a lamp. 1500 is pushing it for me. Not sure why you think I am lying. You don't want a laser that is fine with me man, you do you but I am waiting for a 4k laser with at least 30 000 on off for under 10 grand.
as I showed even at 1500 it doesnt stack up..

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I'm on my second lamp. My first got about 3,000 hours before I replaced it (mainly due to the warning from JVC not because the brightness had dropped). I'm almost 2,000 hours on bulb #2 .
this is quite typical
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Oh brother, I replace my bulb at 1500 hours. Accept it or not my life goes on.

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