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Anyone got any ideas on the LEAST MESSY way to cover a metal case of an Electric Screen with material?
A very, very, very, very long sock?

That might make it difficult to roll the screen out of though.


More seriously, how about just wrapping a long piece of velvet fabric around it, and securing it to a few spots with velcro?

[ if you did paint it, you could just use a brush, and not have to haul it out to the back yard. how perfect does it have to be? ]
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[ if you did paint it, you could just use a brush, and not have to haul it out to the back yard. how perfect does it have to be? ]
I'm banned from ever using paint in my house again.
Going to try the Protostar method.

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In fact I'm going to put some Protostar on the case of my Stewart screen, where there is a slight reflection off the black case
My masking panels are Protostar covered and work great. Being self-adhesive really comes in handy.
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Today I ordered 15 yards of that morex velvet.
So we'll see whose ship is making black woll

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My masking panels are Protostar covered and work great. Being self-adhesive really comes in handy.
Has anyone in the thread compared it to the contact adhesive velvet paper you can buy on Ebay?
Might be the same thing, no idea. I just noticed that it looks similar, comes in the same general sizes on Alibaba, and is also self-adhesive.

Protostar is good, but seems overpriced. I can get the Velvet tape in amounts for overall about 1/2 price per Sq. Ft...
The contact paper is even cheaper than the tape, per sq ft that is.

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Has anyone in the thread compared it to the contact adhesive velvet paper you can buy on Ebay?
Might be the same thing, no idea. I just noticed that it looks similar, comes in the same general sizes on Alibaba, and is also self-adhesive.

Protostar is good, but seems overpriced. I can get the Velvet tape in amounts for overall about 1/2 price per Sq. Ft...
The contact paper is even cheaper than the tape, per sq ft that is.
I would be shocked if a velvet wallpaper had the same absorption properties as protostar. Protostar was developed for use inside of telescopes...the HT application is a side market segment for the product.

Sorry, but it seems like wishful/hopeful thinking.
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This may work ok for covering the metal screen casing, the question is how good is the adhesive at this price point. It's cheap enough to order and find out if it works ok.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Self-adhesi...k/331966572485
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Carp- how did you attach the black velvet to your ceiling? I've been thinking for too long now about how to do my own ceiling; I want to go 5-6 ft out from the screen wall.
I used staples. However, I did realize that I couldn't pull the velvet as tight as I wanted without the staples pulling out so I used tacks to initially hold sections of the velvet in place and then I would staple and remove the tacks.
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Pretty sure quality velvet has already been tested against protostar and the velvet was significantly darker.
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Pretty sure quality velvet has already been tested against protostar and the velvet was significantly darker.
The velvet is darker, but the protostar works better in certain places that velvet doesn't. Wrapping the casing of a electric screen was the specific use case being discussed above.

velvet left / protostar right.

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for 'blackness' the protostar is much closer to the velvet vs. rosco paint.

Rosco ends up looking dark grey compared to the velvet. I ended up drapping velvet over the 18" subs and they disappear in the room now.



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Hello,

I have the project to covert my celling with panel covered with velvet, do you think 37 inch large will be enough to decrease light on the ceiling?

All my room is black, carpet, walls with carpet and the ceiling is painted in black too.

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Hello,

I have the project to covert my celling with panel covered with velvet, do you think 37 inch large will be enough to decrease light on the ceiling?

All my room is black, carpet, walls with carpet and the ceiling is painted in black too.

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3 feet is better than nothing!
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Pretty sure quality velvet has already been tested against protostar and the velvet was significantly darker.
True, velvet is darker. Years ago I used masking panels with protostar on some plastic sheets. Worked great and they were way darker than black paint but still weren't as dark as velvet.













Only pic I could find that had both protostar and velvet. In the pic the velvet looks lighter but it's not.










I stopped using the masking panels when I got a projector with lens memory, too much of a hassle to the panels on and off.
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3 feet is better than nothing!
There is a chance that reflection from the large, untreated area will be more distracting when contrasted with Royalty 3 (or other preferred) velvet.

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There is a chance that reflection from the large, untreated area will be more distracting when contrasted with Royalty 3 (or other preferred) velvet.
Ok I see...

So do you recommend to install velvet on all the surface, it will cost $$$...

maybe I can add a 1 feet so I would have 4 foot....

of I install Nothing and save $$$!!

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Pretty sure quality velvet has already been tested against protostar and the velvet was significantly darker.
The velvet is darker, but the protostar works better in certain places that velvet doesn't. Wrapping the casing of a electric screen was the specific use case being discussed above.

velvet left / protostar right.

thickness example in 2nd photo







for 'blackness' the protostar is much closer to the velvet vs. rosco paint.

Rosco ends up looking dark grey compared to the velvet. I ended up drapping velvet over the 18" subs and they disappear in the room now.



I am wanting to cover the front part of my theater in some sort of velvet. About 4 feet out on the ceiling, screen wall and side walls. I?m close to pulling the trigger on Protostar. Will it be easy to put on the ceiling and on the walls? My wife is on me about making sure it looks good. Here is a pic of my room. Thank you for your help
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The velvet is darker, but the protostar works better in certain places that velvet doesn't. Wrapping the casing of a electric screen was the specific use case being discussed above.
velvet left / protostar right.

thickness example in 2nd photo
I will compare the Protostar stuff to the Ebay stuff, I'm interested if it really is better, because if not, then why pay more.

I got impatient waiting on the screen, so I ran to Walmart and grabbed enough blackout cloth to make a 120" 2.35 screen.
The homemade screen came out surprisingly well (though not perfect), I very well may leave it as a second screen behind my new Electric Screen.
It would have been perfect, but I over-tensioned part of it and created 2 small waves (cannot see them with lights off). I think I can get the waves out.

I wasn't trying to actually create a 'good' screen, I was simply trying to visualize how the screen would work so decided to use TACKS and some blackout cloth as a quick solution.
I had the screen up in 30 minutes and it cost me $25 to buy the blackout cloth, and it looked pretty decent after I was done, was surprised.

I may go online and order some different DIY screen material and experiment with it. Need to try out some different DIY materials.

Blackout Cloth is a great way to setup a TEMP screen for anyone that is building an HT and isn't sure about the screen size or 2.35 vs. 16:9 or whatever. The blackout cloth only comes in 54" high, but it is enough for about 135" (or even slightly bigger) 2.35 screen.

I just don't see myself spending real money on another screen until I'm sure how to handle 2.35 switching.

I was also curious to how cheap blackout cloth would look against the HP 2.4 screen, well besides the brightness the HP screen is just slightly sharper, but not a huge difference.
I think the blackout cloth MIGHT have less texture in arctic white scenes, but didn't test much white content yet. The difference in sharpness was say 20% maybe, not huge but it was there.
I didn't do a same-room test though, as my HP screen and blackout cloth screen are in 2 separate rooms.

I have the HP in a gameroom but I think I may retire it soon, at least temporarily.

I'm going to Home Depot tomorrow to get some Foam Board, I'm just going to buy whatever is thinnest and cheapest and try that first.
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I stopped using the masking panels when I got a projector with lens memory, too much of a hassle to the panels on and off.
Did you apply it directly to the wall or use foam panels first?

Is that black paint around the power outlet, or something else?

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Did you apply it directly to the wall or use foam panels first?

Is that black paint around the power outlet, or something else?

Ha, I have to think about it because that was years ago and I've made so many changes since then. It was a very dark gray, almost black.

Your first question - are you asking about the velvet? I attached it directly to the wall and ceiling.
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True, velvet is darker. Years ago I used masking panels with protostar on some plastic sheets. Worked great and they were way darker than black paint but still weren't as dark as velvet.













If you are asking about the panels, this pic shows it. I attached the protostar to the panels and they were just the right size to fit in to mask 16:9 content.
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Might be a lot of tape though.

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Now that I think of it...

They also sell Velvet Tape on Ebay which is very dark, but I wish it came in wider strips and it can get expensive fast if you need a lot of it. I'm going to check ALi-Baba and see if I can order some wider strips of it or order it in a larger quantity to do some custom masking.

I have used it before, the tape is so easy to use, and it sticks on perfectly and looks completely normal and seamless. Not sure how well it would stick to metal, but should be fine if you clean it with alcohol first.
4.5" wide is available on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/4-5-Velvet-Pr.../dp/B004MO3JTO
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[QUOTE=coderguy;55640744]I will compare the Protostar stuff to the Ebay stuff, I'm interested if it really is better, because if not, then why pay more.

I got impatient waiting on the screen, so I ran to Walmart and grabbed enough blackout cloth to make a 120" 2.35 screen.
The homemade screen came out surprisingly well

Blackout Cloth is a great way to setup a TEMP screen for anyone that is building an HT and isn't sure about the screen size or 2.35 vs. 16:9 or whatever. The blackout cloth only comes in 54" high, but it is enough for about 135" (or even slightly bigger) 2.35 screen.

I QUOTE]



Carls sells huge pieces of black out cloth cheap......I purchased a bunch of different materials from carls when choosing what material to go with and the black out cloth looked really good, especially for the price and would probably work for a lot of people with 1080 PJ`s.


I am trying the spandex next for AT........

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I just purchased Carl's Sample Pack, not sure what is in it, was $10 for the samples. I'm also going to grab a piece of smooth white vinyl from a fabric store to see how it compares. The white vinyl does have some texture, but it's a very different kind of texture compared to BO cloth. Posterboard could be interesting since it's so smooth, but it might be too glossy, and hard to get in a big enough piece.

As far as the Draper Electric Screen I purchased, well that's a big Question if I will ever even get it. Still no update from the freight shipping company. Going to have to contact Provantage again.

I'm curious to see if Carl's Blackout Cloth is superior to the stuff I got at Walmart (which is amazingly cheap, but is a bit rough compared to a higher-end screen like a Da-lite HP).
I might get some samples from Elite and Elunevision next.

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For the walls, I'm going with black vinyl trim over black velvet (or similar).
The bigger panels will be black velvet, and then the vinyl will be used as a trim to form spacer barriers every few 2-3 feet.
Trying custom-cut cardboard sheets from an online vendor instead of foam board to cover with the vinyl, don't think you would be able to tell the difference, but not sure.
Obviously the cardboard could warp easier over time, especially if someone leans against the wall, but then if that happens replacing one board should be simple.

Testing it on one cardboard sheet first to see how seamless I can make it look.

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Hi, I've done a fair bit of browsing in the thread, but can't quite get my head wrapped around things.

I would love to start applying velvet/fabric to my home theater in order to improve contrast, and definitely before doing any acoustic treatments. I think what I see here in terms of application is taut fabric on walls, stapled or pinned. There are occasional instances of curtain treatments with curtain rods.

My room is a family room. While the area of the room with my theater system is primarily used for just that, it is a shared space, visible to the rest of the house, and worth making look nice while being as functional as possible.

What I always had been thinking is not black paint or taut fabric applied to a wall, but rather the "folded over" velvet look, similar to the movie theaters I grew up on in the 80s and 90s. (Literally. My parents owned a two-screen, small town theater. Here is a very bad picture of what I mean by "folded over.")

In any case, I suspect "folded over" has at least two bad features:
  • Tedious to install. Would have to carefully create each fold to make them reasonably parallel vertically.
  • Would probably use double the fabric. Cost.

Good features:
  • The additional fabric would provide an acoustic benefit.
  • If done well, might look nicer than other options.

I'm leaning toward giving it a try, so my practical questions (that probably are answered in this thread, but I'm having trouble discovering anything with search):
  • How would I mount this fabric with aesthetics in mind at the top and bottom seams? I can imagine attaching a thin board to the wall at the top and bottom fabric mounting positions, stapling the fabric directly to the top and bottom boards, and then covering the staples/seams with trim painted matte black.
  • How would I account for aesthetics on side seams? The screen wall of my theater runs 20', but only about 10' of it is in the theater section of the room. I won't run fabric the full 20', but maybe just 12'. My thought is to staple the side seam to the wall directly and again cover it with trim painted matte black.

Crazy ideas? Adjustments you would make? (I'm betting I'm over-complicating this whole thing.) If this wall-mounted-board, staples, matte black trim idea seems reasonable, are there any examples in the thread of others doing a similar install? Would love to see detailed pictures (or videos!) of the actual installation process.

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Not sure if this is the right topic to ask, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Please re-direct me to the appropiate threads/topics if necessary.

Does anyone know of any DIY solutions for scope masking on a tab tensioned dropdown 16:9 screen? All I see are suggestions for fixed screens.

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You can use a modified version of Zombie's technique, just glue a magnet on a small piece of board and attach the board to the wall just past the point of where your screen ends. Hence, create an extrusion next to your screen's edges with the magnets on them. Then your magnetized piece of boards can hold the piece of velvet covered foam or cardboard to go over the screen. As long as your screen area is covered in black, I'm sure you can make it look natural, either make the board sloping or just make a natural vertical trim. Hence, 2 vertical pieces of wood covered in black velvet next to the screen coming from the ceiling to the floor that looks like a decorative divider. Once the lights are out, you'll no longer see it anyhow.

Otherwise, you can try motorized methods, which would be a bit more complicated to get the tracks lined up and working with the motors.

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Thanks for the suggestion but in my case, I don't think that would work. I have a TV mounted to the wall, and the screen actually drops in front of the TV when I watch something on my projector. Also my front speakers are located exactlty next to the borders of the screen when it has been dropped.

Thinking about it now, if I could choose a screen again, I probably would have went for a 2:35.1 one...
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Well yah, no-one can tell you unless they saw it in that case.
Make a magnetic holder connected to the side or top of the speaker I guess. There should be a way.

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Lol, yeah you're right. I should have been more specific regarding my setup.
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