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Anyone considering Protostar or velvet tape should consider McMaster Carr's adhesive velvet. In some testing, it was very close to the same blackness as Protostar, and it is cheaper.

McMaster Carr sells adhesive velvet in 48" wide rolls. https://www.mcmaster.com/#velvet-fabric/=14u3oqw
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Anyone considering Protostar or velvet tape should consider McMaster Carr's adhesive velvet. In some testing, it was very close to the same blackness as Protostar, and it is cheaper.

McMaster Carr sells adhesive velvet in 48" wide rolls. https://www.mcmaster.com/#velvet-fabric/=14u3oqw
I didn't see anywhere that the shipping costs were revealed. Did I miss it?
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I didn't see anywhere that the shipping costs were revealed. Did I miss it?
My experience with McMaster is that they ship the cheapest way and add the cost when they ship. So you may not get a shipping cost when you order. I've had nothing but good luck with them. They are only one day ground shipping away from me and they have never failed to get things out so I get them the next day even when I order late. Shipping costs have always been reasonable for the items ordered.
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My experience with McMaster is that they ship the cheapest way and add the cost when they ship. So you may not get a shipping cost when you order. I've had nothing but good luck with them. They are only one day ground shipping away from me and they have never failed to get things out so I get them the next day even when I order late. Shipping costs have always been reasonable for the items ordered.
Thanks for the followup. That's good to know, and they're fairly close to me as well.

However, it does seem odd to me that they don't quote any Shipping charges. The total number of times in thousands of orders, from many sites, over many years, that I've ordered something online w/o knowing until afterwards what it was going to cost me was... 0.
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I used jet black polypropylene material for the ceilings and back walls @ $1.60 per yard. It comes as 60" wide, so this was really really cheap stuff. It's not that dark of a material, not even as dark as the darkest curtains you'll find at Walmart (which are Mainstays Black Soot btw)... But, if you have high ceilings, it's probably all you need, it's still fairly dark looking.

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My screen is low to the floor, so it seemed silly to cover the ceilings with black velvet and spend all that money.
It may help a tiny bit, but with 9' ceilings and the screen low to the ground, almost any black material should work for the ceiling.

At $1.60 per yard, I covered the entire ceiling and back walls for about $40. I didn't even have to use foamboard, the material is extremely light and easy to tack and cut.
You can cut it with an Xacto knife.

Temporarily for Screen Area and Side Walls
Until I get my black velvet, as a temp solution, the Mainstays 200 count black sheets work fine...
You'll have to starch the hell out of them and iron them for a good bit. I just tacked them up after ironing them, unless you walk right up to the screen, you cannot tell they are black sheets - it looks like material. I would only use them around the screen or on the side walls (would sag on ceiling). This is what I used on my front wall temporarily until I get the velvet ordered.
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Here is where anyone can get the Black Poly Stuff:
http://www.joann.com/olyfun-10-yard-bolt/14065361.html

You can get it for $1.60 per yard even after shipping costs, just use their 25% off coupon.

Since it comes in 60" wide and a lot of fabric comes in 45" wide, you're basically paying $1.10 per yard, about 1/7th the price of the Triple Black Velvet.
Again, it's not nearly as dark, so I wouldn't use it if you have low ceilings. The material looks fairly decent (at least I think it does).

It can sometimes be found at Walmart in the fabric section if someone wants to see a sample first.
I would only buy the stuff in rolls, otherwise its hard to get wrinkles out.
It doesn't wrinkle naturally, but it can bunch up if someone in a fabric store is rough with it. It goes up with no wrinkles.

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Thanks for the followup. That's good to know, and they're fairly close to me as well.

However, it does seem odd to me that they don't quote any Shipping charges. The total number of times in thousands of orders, from many sites, over many years, that I've ordered something online w/o knowing until afterwards what it was going to cost me was... 0.
That's about $25 yd, most are just importing the stuff from the same Chinese distributors, likely including Protostar.
It just varies in quality depending on which stuff they buy from the distros.

That said, the stuff I got from Ebay was absolutely pitch black dark as velvet. It was 3-4x shades darker than DA-Lite's own border.

You can get the stuff on Ebay for about 30% to 50% less than that price. You can get it on Alibaba for about 80% less, but you have to buy a freaking ton depending on the vendor.
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I have a bunch of McMaster adhesive velvet and I like the Protostar stuff better. The edge of the McMaster material comes out white when you cut it which means using a sharpie to go over things. The edge of the Protostar is black.
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I have a bunch of McMaster adhesive velvet and I like the Protostar stuff better. The edge of the McMaster material comes out white when you cut it which means using a sharpie to go over things. The edge of the Protostar is black.
I was using the McMaster stuff to wrap around a pipe that runs next to the ceiling in my room and while it was very black and made the pipe almost disappear, the white edge was a problem. It seemed the problem I had was that the adhesive didn't stick well to the velvet side so if it overlapped, the white edge stuck up and was visible from certain angles. I was trying different add-on glues. I didn't try a black sharpie. I'll try that today. The black edge would be an advantage for the Protostar.
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I have a bunch of McMaster adhesive velvet and I like the Protostar stuff better. The edge of the McMaster material comes out white when you cut it which means using a sharpie to go over things. The edge of the Protostar is black.
Do you think the protostar would stick to the ceiling?
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Do you think the protostar would stick to the ceiling?
Yes. However if you can find a way I would go with a velvet instead. Velvet is darker and looks nicer IMHO.
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I used jet black polypropylene material for the ceilings and back walls @ $1.60 per yard. It comes as 60" wide, so this was really really cheap stuff. It's not that dark of a material, not even as dark as the darkest curtains you'll find at Walmart (which are Mainstays Black Soot btw)... But, if you have high ceilings, it's probably all you need, it's still fairly dark looking.

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My screen is low to the floor, so it seemed silly to cover the ceilings with black velvet and spend all that money.
It may help a tiny bit, but with 9' ceilings and the screen low to the ground, almost any black material should work for the ceiling.
You shouldn't make assumptions about whether JoAnn Royalty 3 black velvet is worth it or not for others. I have ST100 screen material, so light reflects up to the ceiling at the same intensity as it does to the main seating area.

If you take a 2' X 2' of proper black velvet and compare with the rest of your ceiling, then my wager is that the difference will be significant.

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NCS code? Are you asking about the gray/blue paint?
Yes, I would like to which paint you used :-)
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Do you think the protostar would stick to the ceiling?
Yes. However if you can find a way I would go with a velvet instead. Velvet is darker and looks nicer IMHO.
Thank you for help. What is the best way to attach velvet to the ceiling and make it look clean? My wife wants it to look good lol.
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My "Black" carpet is actually several 2" thick shaggy rugs 3mtrs x 2.4mtrs laid over my original "beige" carpet.. They work extremely well

Hmm- interesting solution. I think a beige carpet would look best in my room, but covering the screen area part with something dark could be good (?). Maybe a nice dark persian rug?
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Keep in mind protostars strong point is not how black it is, it is how much light it absorbs.........it soaks up light like a black hole, it just happens to be a pretty black material.
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Hi guys «black velvet» newbie here. I have my HT in my living room, so i can’t have a permanent bat cave, andi have been looking into some kind of curtains. This thread is very long, i went through the first and last pages, and there is little to no links about where you guys are buying these fabrics. Don’t shoot me if this is a well used link, but I found this page comparion some of the option discussed in this thread:

http://projectiondream.com/en/protos...velvet-devore/

So where do you guys buy these, and who has the best prices?


I have «sort of» some velvet curtain today, but they have some sheen to them, so not optimal. Some pics:

Curtains i use today shown in the corner.



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Screen down, some lighting on, curtains drawn.



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Here you go. The paint looks gray in the can and on the sample but on the wall you see a lot of blue too but I like how it turned out.

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Here you go. The paint looks gray in the can and on the sample but on the wall you see a lot of blue too but I like how it turned out.

Thanks! - I see that it has cyan-blue in it. A bit. Many "greys" seem to have either a bit of blue or green in it.

http://encycolorpedia.com/80868d

I think I might go with this for my back and side walls: http://encycolorpedia.com/938b87
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You shouldn't make assumptions about whether JoAnn Royalty 3 black velvet is worth it or not for others. I have ST100 screen material, so light reflects up to the ceiling at the same intensity as it does to the main seating area.

If you take a 2' X 2' of proper black velvet and compare with the rest of your ceiling, then my wager is that the difference will be significant.
I am likely ONLY adding the black velvet around the first 40" of the ceiling, the rest of the ceiling will be black polypropylene.

It would help a tiny tiny bit to do the entire ceiling, but it's not worth it to me to cover the entire ceiling in black velvet.
Could be for you, that's fine. I was just making a suggestion if someone with high ceilings wanted to save money.

This isn't like a white ceiling, the material I used is still black.

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it's time for some black carpet to cover that concrete.

I searched around for a long time before I found the right color black carpet. The manufacturer info is in the 2nd photo.






I love this carpet, it completed my black out project for the HT area. It's nice and thick and overall great quality.


was this brown carpet an annoyance? I kind a like how it looks with black chairs.
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Here is a pic before the carpet was put in, it shows the contrast.

ceiling and frontwall same colour?
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Yes, Rosco; Off Broadway Black.
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was this brown carpet an annoyance? I kind a like how it looks with black chairs.
Hi, yes the floor was lit up compared to the rest of the room. That is one of the caveats with this overall goal of darkening the room. The darker everything gets, the untreated areas stand out.
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Thanks! - I see that it has cyan-blue in it. A bit. Many "greys" seem to have either a bit of blue or green in it.

http://encycolorpedia.com/80868d

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Not necessarily. Black is ideal, but pastel shades of grey ( no 50 shades of grey jokes ! ), or brown - really, anything but white or beige, will help. Also, just stand with your back to the screen with the lights out, and shine a big police style flashlight where light would reflect off the screen in your room. See what objects in the room reflect light back onto the screen, and try and eliminate those. That helps. Don't forget the floor in front of the screen. Black carpet helps - even a few large carpet squares from Walmart.com will help.

no beige??
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was this brown carpet an annoyance? I kind a like how it looks with black chairs.
It's amazing how much light can bounce back off a brown carpet onto your screen vs a black carpet.

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I have a black shag carpet and it perfectly matches my 1970's yellow wallpaper (only joking).
Shag might work best since it has irregular shapes on the strands and 'scatter absorbs' in multiple directions.
Plus you gotta love the 1970's, it was like a revolution (man...), or wait wasn't that the 60's, well I wasn't born yet so who cares :P

Or make a carpet out of velvet.

IMO, wrapping my entire screen wall in velvet did not improve the black levels, it made them perceptually worse in moderately low APL, and they look the same in the absolute lowest APL (in which case both materials I tried were invisible in low-enough APL scenes anyhow). The issue now is in brighter scenes the velvet zero-edge screen I created looks so much darker that it makes the black levels look raised.

It's still better to use velvet for stopping reflections, but not sure it's better for the BORDER area as a reference to our eyes.

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