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I covered one end of them with velvet, which loosens the magnetic effect but makes it much easier to remove the masking.
I did the same, have taken my panels on and off dozens of times with no issue.

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I covered one end of them with velvet, which loosens the magnetic effect but makes it much easier to remove the masking.
I did the same, have taken my panels on and off dozens of times with no issue.

That is good. I used them to attach velvet covers to my pot lights and they kept sticking and breaking even when sewn in between velvet. I guess it all depends on the strength of the rare Earth magnets.
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How would you mask white objects in the room (an AC unit, an air purifier, and a 2nd projector). They would be situated in the back end of the room.

Since all devices need airflow, would it be acceptable to make a wooden cage covered in velvet with openings?
Would a pannel (with velvet) in front of the object facing the screen do?
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How would you mask white objects in the room (an AC unit, an air purifier, and a 2nd projector). They would be situated in the back end of the room.

Since all devices need airflow, would it be acceptable to make a wooden cage covered in velvet with openings?
Would a pannel (with velvet) in front of the object facing the screen do?
I managed to take the outer plastic casing off my AC unit completely, and that allowed me to spray it with matt black paint. I could have covered it with some self adhesive flock too, but it would have taken 10 times longer and been a lot more fiddly to complete neatly. You can probably do the same with your air purifier, or failing that, block the vents from the inside with masking tape and spray the whole unit.

As for a 2nd projector thats white - get rid of it and get a black one!
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I managed to take the outer plastic casing off my AC unit completely, and that allowed me to spray it with matt black paint. I could have covered it with some self adhesive flock too, but it would have taken 10 times longer and been a lot more fiddly to complete neatly. You can probably do the same with your air purifier, or failing that, block the vents from the inside with masking tape and spray the whole unit.

As for a 2nd projector thats white - get rid of it and get a black one!
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I managed to take the outer plastic casing off my AC unit completely, and that allowed me to spray it with matt black paint. I could have covered it with some self adhesive flock too, but it would have taken 10 times longer and been a lot more fiddly to complete neatly. You can probably do the same with your air purifier, or failing that, block the vents from the inside with masking tape and spray the whole unit.

As for a 2nd projector thats white - get rid of it and get a black one!

I thought about that, but I would loose the warranty.

Do a few white objects behind pannels make that much of a difference?

Will go with JVC as main PJ and was thinking of keeping this one for gaming and other things. Since I am getting 2000h/year with my current setup and don't want to get a new lamp one a year, I will need a 2nd unit.

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This thread and the people in it are evil! Do not read this thread, or you will never find balance. Thanks to this thread, I have hung velvet on projector wall and ceiling, about 6 feet out and side wall. Doesn't look amazing, will replace coloured thumb tacks with black once they arrive.

Picture on my JVC RS420 went from wow, to WOW.

Again, do not read this thread, or you will be chasing blacks! 😀😁😂🤣
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This thread and the people in it are evil! Do not read this thread, or you will never find balance. Thanks to this thread, I have hung velvet on projector wall and ceiling, about 6 feet out and side wall. Doesn't look amazing, will replace coloured thumb tacks with black once they arrive.

Picture on my JVC RS420 went from wow, to WOW.

Again, do not read this thread, or you will be chasing blacks! 😀😁😂🤣
i also took a sip of the kool-aid and have started my velvet room transformation. just got the 3/4" mdf installed on the floor tonight (8' of depth from the screen). velvet arrives tomorrow, should be a fun journey.

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Regarding this home theater/cinema build of mine:



As previously mentioned the entire room was upholstered and fabric walled using the least non-reflective black velvet material, including the skirtings, and also the doors etc... and with the least light reflective black carpet. Here's a close up photo that shows the detailing with respect to this... where I have had to take this photo using the flash in order for the details to show up in the photo... note the door on the right-hand side with matt black hinges that is almost invisible:





Also, with respect to the blue lighting along the back wall, this comprises patio LED lighting where I swapped out the LED lamps for Blue LEDS; and I contructed a cube shaped back box using MDF which I sprayed black, where this had the effect of making the blue lighting float off the wall such that all you could see is blue lighting within a black abyss:



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I thought about this as well, and it's a non-point for me as long as you can't see it with the lights out.

What DOES concern me, is the possible vibration that might occur due to my subs going full steam ahead.
That would be my concern also. I have six subs and my LCR's have 18's in them.
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Also, with respect to the blue lighting along the back wall, this comprises patio LED lighting where I swapped out the LED lamps for Blue LEDS; and I contructed a cube shaped back box using MDF which I sprayed black, where this had the effect of making the blue lighting float off the wall such that all you could see is blue lighting within a black abyss:




What lights are those?
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That would be my concern also. I have six subs and my LCR's have 18's in them.
I think I'm going to use screws.
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What lights are those?
They are a UK In-Wall Recessed LED Step Light... For the United States just google that, there's lots of similar products, such as this one for instance:

https://www.aspectled.com/products/m...27624901#tab-1

As mentioned the back box is simply contructed by hand using MDF and then sprayed black.

I wanted to create the effect of the lighting floating off the wall such that none of it washed across the surface of the wall, and could not find any light fitting that would achieve this so I made one

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They are a UK In-Wall Recessed LED Step Light... For the United States just google that, there's lots of similar products, such as this one for instance:

https://www.aspectled.com/products/m...27624901#tab-1

As mentioned the back box is simply contructed by hand using MDF and then sprayed black.

I wanted to create the effect of the lighting floating off the wall such that none of it washed across the surface of the wall, and could not find any light fitting that would achieve this so I made one

VERY cool. Thank you!
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Just flanked my screen with velvet curtains, specifically to run them 20" on the near right wall to block distracting reflections. If I could do it over I would do can lights in the ceiling instead of sconces on the wall as they restrict my ability to treat the wall for sound and light reflections.
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The only light in my room is a lamp.lol
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Some before and after the felt put up. Not all of it is felt. Some of it is the old (Good) ikea blackout curtains. I have black thumb tacks coming from Amazon Canada, and will be hiding it better, and getting more felt for patch work. Doesn't look amazing, then again, i don't care. Its about PQ.

On one picture, you can see to the right the hallway and the light. I will be putting a nice curtain there going lengthwise to help hide that corridor.

There pictures don't show it very well, but there is a bulkhead that drops directly in front of my viewing screen. That is a huge PITA to felt, both the bulkhead and the ceiling on the other side.

It also shows spots that I need to cover. Its amazing how once you start getting black, the tiniest of exposed white/yellow wall stands out.
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Some before and after the felt put up. Not all of it is felt. Some of it is the old (Good) ikea blackout curtains. I have black thumb tacks coming from Amazon Canada, and will be hiding it better, and getting more felt for patch work. Doesn't look amazing, then again, i don't care. Its about PQ.

On one picture, you can see to the right the hallway and the light. I will be putting a nice curtain there going lengthwise to help hide that corridor.

There pictures don't show it very well, but there is a bulkhead that drops directly in front of my viewing screen. That is a huge PITA to felt, both the bulkhead and the ceiling on the other side.

It also shows spots that I need to cover. Its amazing how once you start getting black, the tiniest of exposed white/yellow wall stands out.
Nice job looks great and greetings fellow Ont person.

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Thanks!

I find it stunning how much a white wall/ceiling will stand out when so much is covered. Stands out so much, it draws my attention during viewing. Guess that's a good thing
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my phone died so i can't take a picture right now, but i have velvet up around the screen & on one adjacent wall. WOW! to think i've been missing this all along, smh. i can't wait to get the front half of the room done and fire up a movie. i know i have a budget projector but i've been pretty happy with the image quality so far. i can't wait to see the difference.

i've been tacking up the velvet temporarily with thumbtacks, and then fastening everything in place with 1/4" T50 staples that i painted black. i can't see them from my seating position so that's a bonus. while this method isn't for everyone it works for me. if i sell the house and need to take all of this down it's just a quick mud/sand/paint job--worth it imo.

also, i tacked up the syfabric triple velvet on the wall right next to this cheaper stuff i bought in bulk from amazon--the amazon fabric looks darker and less shiny.

when i get the room fully treated i'll get the masking created. figured i'd tackle the bigger job first! so glad i found this thread.
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@ARROW-AV don't the white chairs affect the contrast as well?


How does this kind of setup (with fabric) lend itself to dust? The fabric would need to be fixed frimly if a vacuum cleaner were to be used (?).

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@ARROW-AV don't the white chairs affect the contrast as well?
Yup

See what I said in my previous post regarding this:

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And for interest, here's a previous home theater/cinema build of mine, where you need to ignore the choice of seating color (the person I was building this for insisted on cream colored seating ) however, the whole room was upholstered in the WHALEY'S SILK/VISCOSE VELVET BLACK (DEVORE), including absolutely everything from the walls, the ceiling, the star ceiling tiles, the skirtings, and the doors. All wall sockets and door handles etc. are flat matt black. The carpet is the least light reflective carpet of over 30 samples light reflectivity tested (Ryalux Ultimate Velvet 18 Jet Black); and the rug is a custom-made non-reflective black 'non-sparkling' sparkle rug.

All lighting within the room turned off via a control system and the room has absolutely zero ambient environmental light. Quite literally the room with the lights off is pitch black and you can't see your hand right in front of your face. And when the projector is on all you can see is the projected image floating within a black abyss.

The projector was situated within the ceiling void of the room behind the back wall within an enclosed environment projecting through an optical pane of glass from Edmund Optics, angled so as to avoid reflections.

The room was also completely sound proofed with a background noise level of less than 10 dB with the climate control system operating.

My current build, which is circa 6 months away from completion will be similar to this, except the seating will of course be black, and the size of the home theater/cinema is larger:

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How does this kind of setup (with fabric) lend itself to dust? The fabric would need to be fixed frimly if a vacuum cleaner were to be used (?).
Firstly, the fabric IS fixed firmly. It's fabric walled, so it is affixed firmly to battens. That said, dust seriously is not a problem. In 5 years I did not have to clean the walls once. If I did I would have simply used a clothes brush or vacuum cleaner brush on low power, but I never needed to do so. The only cleaning necessary was to vacuum clean the carpet.

If you want the ultimate blackout this is it. You can't do better than upholstering all walls and ceiling surfaces using this type of velvet material. It also looks super-cool in person. Photos don't do it justice. I'm currently in process of building a larger home theater/cinema as well as a large media room and I'm doing precisely the same thing with both of these.

With respect to the Starfield Ceiling I used NUMINUS star ceiling tiles; however, I was not happy with the reflectivity of the black fabric material that they use, so I FedExed rolls of this velvet fabric and had them manufacture the ceiling panels using it as well. Best starfield ceiling I have ever seen

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I've always found a vacuum fitting like this works very well at dusting fabric walls:

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I attribute having the black velvet to allowing me to push almost 9K hours on my bulb before it went out. At approx. 5K hours 3d suffered too much to use, so I knew the brightness had went way down, but standard HD looked fine up until the last 500 hours, so well over 8K hours until it was noticeable.



I do not think that would have been possible without the velvet.....
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How do I get the fabric to stick to the wall? Glue and painted staples?
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I'm going to be attaching the velvet to 1/4 pieces of plywood, and then mounting those to the wall.
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How do I get the fabric to stick to the wall? Glue and painted staples?
The thread is full of ways to do that, even just the last 20 pages.
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How do I get the fabric to stick to the wall? Glue and painted staples?
Buy black thumb tacks from Amazon
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First time I did it I built frames out of 1x2 and stretched it over them then press fit into the walls. I expanded to outer walls and ceiling a couple weeks ago, and I just did black staples and pneumatic stapler. Stapling was much easier and looks nice , just not removable, so if you will be there a while and don't mind painting the room when you leave, I would staple.
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First time I did it I built frames out of 1x2 and stretched it over them then press fit into the walls. I expanded to outer walls and ceiling a couple weeks ago, and I just did black staples and pneumatic stapler. Stapling was much easier and looks nice , just not removable, so if you will be there a while and don't mind painting the room when you leave, I would staple.
i don't understand the mass aversion to fixing drywall. sure if you're renting, but if you own the house do what you want with your room. drywall is extremely cheap & fixing it is very straight forward. sure it's messy but anyone can do it. i'm using black 1/4" T50 staples putting up my velvet and i'm sure the day will come that i regret putting 100 staples in this room but the benefit i'll get out of the velvet will more than justify the work to undo it. removing the staples and filling with a tiny bit of drywall mud, a light sanding & repainting is a joke compared to the effort i see some of you here going through fabricating friction fitting panels to avoid the above.
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