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Thanks @ScottieBoysName, I will look to get the Royalty 3 for on top of the speakers.

I am using the Premier Velvet. It is super luxurious - only velvet I've seen out of which I would want a stylish sportcoat

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Those speakers look familiar I built a pair of the 18" Ultimax and originally painted them with the Rosco paint but they stood out vs. the velvet in the room and had to cover them. now they disappear





once you start with the velvet it's hard to stop until it's all done

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Thanks @dgkula. as that is what I want. As you can see, I have a glare on the top of my speakers. Wouldn't you know it, my local store in Davenport is out. Will have to order on-line then!
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I got today a yard of Joann's Royalty Black Velvet. This thing is BLACK. As black as the velour on the frame of my Stewart ST100 screen. The only issue is that it frays a lot and also it's a little bit shiny/reflective. After exchanging several emails with Jon Kaisand from Seymour AV, he is sending me today samples of Fidelio Velvet and their Baritone Velvet to decide which one is the best. Here are some pictures comparing the Joann Royalty velvet and the Bravo Fabric Velvet. Only when you do a side by side comparison is when you see why the Bravo Fabric velvet is so cheap. That velvet is not even black and more like dark grey. It's good for side walls and back walls but definitely not for front walls or the walls and ceiling around the screen. Next week I'll be receiving swatches of Fidelio Velvet (Vogue Fabrics and Seymour AV), Baritone Velvet (Seymour AV), Soprano (Vogue Fabrics), Triple Black Velvet (Vogue Fabrics) and Plush Triple Velvet (Sy Fabrics). I'll be doing a comparison to see which one absorbs more light and is the blackest one
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the joann stuff is good .i used it because i can get it locally easy .and they seem to always have some coupon
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....and to answer the question from a few pages back about diminishing returns....there are none.


I did my room in stages and every stage had a measurable improvement.



Side walls, then ceiling , then rear wall, then the rest of the sides.






If you go 90 degrees from each side of your head at the MLP and stopped with the velvet on the side walls and ceiling, then did the back wall, maybe what was left might be as drastic as the other locations, but there will not be much left to do at that point, might as well do it too....in my room that left 50 inches on each side wall and it made a difference, maybe not as much as directly around the screen and the back wall, but it made a difference.
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I got today a yard of Joann's Royalty Black Velvet. This thing is BLACK. As black as the velour on the frame of my Stewart ST100 screen. The only issue is that it frays a lot and also it's a little bit shiny/reflective. After exchanging several emails with Jon Kaisand from Seymour AV, he is sending me today samples of Fidelio Velvet and their Baritone Velvet to decide which one is the best. Here are some pictures comparing the Joann Royalty velvet and the Bravo Fabric Velvet. Only when you do a side by side comparison is when you see why the Bravo Fabric velvet is so cheap. That velvet is not even black and more like dark grey. It's good for side walls and back walls but definitely not for front walls or the walls and ceiling around the screen. Next week I'll be receiving swatches of Fidelio Velvet (Vogue Fabrics and Seymour AV), Baritone Velvet (Seymour AV), Soprano (Vogue Fabrics), Triple Black Velvet (Vogue Fabrics) and Plush Triple Velvet (Sy Fabrics). I'll be doing a comparison to see which one absorbs more light and is the blackest one
The 45" wide bolts from Fabric Bravo do not look like that. I guess I can be glad I got the original product even if the width is inconvenient. There are pictures further back in this thread showing it is near identical to Sy's triple plush, at 5-10% of the cost of Fidelio.
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the joann stuff is good .i used it because i can get it locally easy .and they seem to always have some coupon
Joann is also what I went with to have custom covers for all the components in front of my screen made by a seamstress.
The Black Velvet worked perfect and now No-Reflections to screen at all.

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I got today a yard of Joann's Royalty Black Velvet. This thing is BLACK. As black as the velour on the frame of my Stewart ST100 screen. The only issue is that it frays a lot and also it's a little bit shiny/reflective. After exchanging several emails with Jon Kaisand from Seymour AV, he is sending me today samples of Fidelio Velvet and their Baritone Velvet to decide which one is the best. Here are some pictures comparing the Joann Royalty velvet and the Bravo Fabric Velvet. Only when you do a side by side comparison is when you see why the Bravo Fabric velvet is so cheap. That velvet is not even black and more like dark grey. It's good for side walls and back walls but definitely not for front walls or the walls and ceiling around the screen. Next week I'll be receiving swatches of Fidelio Velvet (Vogue Fabrics and Seymour AV), Baritone Velvet (Seymour AV), Soprano (Vogue Fabrics), Triple Black Velvet (Vogue Fabrics) and Plush Triple Velvet (Sy Fabrics). I'll be doing a comparison to see which one absorbs more light and is the blackest one
Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted to know. I'll stick with Joann's then.
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Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted to know. I'll stick with Joann's then.
Don't like Joann's Royalty 3 Velvet as it's a little bit shiny. Most likely I would get Fidelio or Baritone. Both the Baritone and Fidelio are made by the same company, JB Martin. They are quite similar products with the Fidelio only being slightly more dense pile of fibers. Fidelio has a 99.7% of light absorbance and Baritone has 99.5%. Also, Fidelio comes in 44" wide and Baritone in 60" wide.

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Don't like Joann's Royalty 3 Velvet as it's a little bit shiny. Most likely I would get Fidelio or Baritone. Both the Baritone and Fidelio are made by the same company, JB Martin. They are quite similar products with the Fidelio only being slightly more dense pile of fibers. Fidelio has a 99.7% of light absorbance and Baritone has 99.5%. Also, Fidelio comes in 44" wide and Baritone in 60" wide.
I've got the JR3 on my screen walls and side walls now, and while it might have a bit of sheen to it - using coupons when available makes it a better value than the Bariton or Fidelio - correct? What are are the costs associated with those?
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I've got the JR3 on my screen walls and side walls now, and while it might have a bit of sheen to it - using coupons when available makes it a better value than the Bariton or Fidelio - correct? What are are the costs associated with those?
My entire room is wrapped in JR3, you will not see an ounce of sheen in practical use - my room is pitch black during movie viewing.

We just watched the new Predator movie & Venom in the same night, both movies looked amazing. Full room blackout never gets old, guests are always impressed how dark it is with the lights on and blown away with lights out.
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I've got the JR3 on my screen walls and side walls now, and while it might have a bit of sheen to it - using coupons when available makes it a better value than the Bariton or Fidelio - correct? What are are the costs associated with those?
I know Fidelio and Baritone are expensive compared to Royalty 3 but the amount of Velvet I need to accomplish my project is only 12 yards. Fidelio is $11.95 linear ft and Baritone is $9.95 linear ft. Total Fidelio project would be around $450. That's 7% of what I already paid for the new Sony projector + Stewart screen.

Either way I'm not making any decision until I get the samples. I already messed it up going with the velvet from Amazon. This time I want to do it right without thinking on the cost.

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I know Fidelio and Baritone are expensive compared to Royalty 3 but the amount of Velvet I need to accomplish my project is only 12 yards. Fidelio is $11.95 linear ft and Baritone is $9.95 linear ft. Total Fidelio project would be around $450. That's 7% of what I already paid for the new Sony projector + Stewart screen.



Either way I'm not making any decision until I get the samples. I already messed it up going with the velvet from Amazon. This time I want to do it right without thinking on the cost.


Agreed. If the cost is minimal in the long run, do it right.
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My entire room is wrapped in JR3, you will not see an ounce of sheen in practical use - my room is pitch black during movie viewing.

We just watched the new Predator movie & Venom in the same night, both movies looked amazing. Full room blackout never gets old, guests are always impressed how dark it is with the lights on and blown away with lights out.


My JR3 looks like a black hole with the lights out.
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My JR3 looks like a black hole with the lights out.
Joann Royalty 3 Velvet top and Sy Fabrics Plush Triple Velvet bottom. Right now, Sy Fabrics is winning the light absorption competition. Monday will compare with Fidelio and Baritone.
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A number of these tests have been done in the past. Most will agree it's splitting hairs once you get to really dark products.

I would focus more on ensuring coverage for areas that are reflecting light back to the screen. That will have more impact than trying to find the next 1% extra of light absortion.


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@SOWK Can you add to your first post a couple of these comparison shots that Zombie has pulled together. Might save people from asking the same questions or reinventing the wheel.
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Joann Royalty 3 Velvet top and Sy Fabrics Plush Triple Velvet bottom. Right now, Sy Fabrics is winning the light absorption competition. Monday will compare with Fidelio and Baritone.


Those are the favs from past years. I saw some folks have bad luck with Sy in the construction department (maybe just one guy) and JR3 was 70% off that day. Went with JR3.
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@SOWK Can you add to your first post a couple of these comparison shots that Zombie has pulled together. Might save people from asking the same questions or reinventing the wheel.

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Has anyone done comparisons recently on the blackest/most light absorptive carpet with current availability in the US? I saw some older posts on here that compared a few brands, but the top ones were not available in the states.


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Watched test film for first time in my room last night. Definitely a bit of reflection off the black painted soft fit near screen and more from top of the speakers. Photos don’t really show it.
Going to put up my Devore velvet.
I will make a simple cover for the top and sides of the speakers.
Simplest way to cover the walls will be to hang and staple the fabric in the approx 1m (3’) wide lengths it comes in, from the inside edge of the soft fit, around the soft fit to wall and then down the wall to the floor, rather than cutting separate long horizontal rows.
I was planning to fold over and staple the edge on the overlapping columns of fabric to give a cleaner edge.
Do you think there is any difference having the overlap edge facing the screen direction or viewing position?
Reflection will be from screen, I assume the overlap will be more visible if facing the seating.
My inclination is to have it face the screen.
Appreciate any thoughts.
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I re-did the front half of my theater so that at least the first 7 feet is black. I had previously covered the side walls but changed to these beveled panels. Cosmetically, the theater is "finally" complete. The first image is prior to undertaking the initial project. All of the passive room treatment is still there but hidden under the panels. When watching movies (vs listening to music) the grills are on the speakers. It is not obvious from these photos but the side of the speaker closest to the screen of both speakers are covered in black velvet. I also redid the lighting from regular light to 5000K LEDs.










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I re-did the front half of my theater so that at least the first 7 feet is black. I had previously covered the side walls but changed to these beveled panels. Cosmetically, the theater is "finally" complete. The first image is prior to undertaking the initial project. All of the passive room treatment is still there but hidden under the panels. When watching movies (vs listening to music) the grills are on the speakers. It is not obvious from these photos but the side of the speaker closest to the screen of both speakers are covered in black velvet. I also redid the lighting from regular light to 5000K LEDs.
Beautiful Speakers and Beautiful room !! Now you need these to cover the speaker cables

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Thanks for the kind words. I looked at something like what you recommended but I need something to hold the wire down. There is a "hidden" door on the left side of the screen to get to my equipment room. More than once, I have almost tripped over the wire. The most certainly stand out like a sore thumb but I have yet to find exactly what I am looking for. I initially wrapped them in black velvet but I still had the potential tripping problem.
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Thanks for the kind words. I looked at something like what you recommended but I need something to hold the wire down. There is a "hidden" door on the left side of the screen to get to my equipment room. More than once, I have almost tripped over the wire. The most certainly stand out like a sore thumb but I have yet to find exactly what I am looking for. I initially wrapped them in black velvet but I still had the potential tripping problem.
Gaffer tape to the rescue I use it a lot on stage. Can't work without it!!

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Gaffer tape to the rescue I use it a lot on stage. Can't work without it!!

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Perfect. I am using some gaffers tape to hold some cables that go to the rear of the room against the door threshold of the door that goes into the equipment room.; I have some gaffers tape that I can use.

Thanks for reminding me.
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Thanks for the kind words. I looked at something like what you recommended but I need something to hold the wire down. There is a "hidden" door on the left side of the screen to get to my equipment room. More than once, I have almost tripped over the wire. The most certainly stand out like a sore thumb but I have yet to find exactly what I am looking for. I initially wrapped them in black velvet but I still had the potential tripping problem.
You don't have a center channel?

Awesome transformation. Would be nice to see how did you build those wall panels
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You don't have a center channel?
The center channel is behind the screen. I put the L&R in the room to get better imaging when I listen to music.

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Thank you. This was the look I have been trying to achieve for a long time

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Actually, I bought each of those individual panels from Acoustimac. I could have built them myself (I built the previous panels) but didn't want to invest in the tools necessary to do the beveled edges since this was a "once and done" project.

But because they are not PERFECTLY rectangular, I used clamps to hold them together (two at a time) and then used a brad nails to nail them together. So every panel is attached/nailed to the panels on each side of it. Then I built some bracing behind all 9 panels to give it stability and mounted all nine panels at the same time (my wife assisted). Took a while but the outcome was what I was looking for. None of those panels uses any acoustic products. They just have acoustically transparent cloth on them to allow the sound to go through them and be dealt with by the acoustic treatment behind the panels.

Below is a photo the previous panels I built. Functional but lacked "character":

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