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So what is the general consensus on using GOM fabric on the side walls for light absorption (aka screen floating in black)... I bought some thinking I would install it as part of my screen wall... but now I'm thinking black velvet around the screen... and GOM on the walls in the front half of the room that contains the screen.

Edit: Also thinking about installing GOM on the ceiling space immediately in front of the screen.

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So what is the general consensus on using GOM fabric on the side walls for light absorption (aka screen floating in black)... I bought some thinking I would install it as part of my screen wall... but now I'm thinking black velvet around the screen... and GOM on the walls in the front half of the room that contains the screen.

Edit: Also thinking about installing GOM on the ceiling space immediately in front of the screen.

GOM fabric?

Velvet is the best, so use that as much as possible/practical.
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i have these in my theater. they have a little sheen to them but they are 100x better than a white ceiling. Plus they're only $7 a piece and light weight.

http://www.ceilume.com/ceilingtile_detail.cfm/productID.900
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Gillford (spelling could be wrong) of Maine is a fabric company whose fabric is used to cover acoustical panels of even whole rooms with the panels or treatment behind. They are designer type fabrics, they cover all the treatments in my room and I chose a very dark black one. Sort of like a speaker grill cloth. Available in hundreds of colors and styles.My room has treatments covering almost every inch of wall except for wood where on wall speakers are mounted and the wood is covered by the fabric..
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Cool! Thanks for the info.
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Alright, I've decided on attaching the triple black velvet (syfabrics) to the ceiling area of my room (see zone 1). I also intend to make panels out of the same material for the area immediately surrounding the screen-- mimicking the BIG's minimalist screenwall approach.

Question for the blackout specialists here: Does it make sense to cover the soffits (see single ?) with black velvet or the walls around the screenwall (see ?? area). Otherwise, those areas will be painted flat black.


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Alright, I've decided on attaching the triple black velvet (syfabrics) to the ceiling area of my room (see zone 1). I also intend to make panels out of the same material for the area immediately surrounding the screen-- mimicking the BIG's minimalist screenwall approach.

Question for the blackout specialists here: Does it make sense to cover the soffits (see single ?) with black velvet or the walls around the screenwall (see ?? area). Otherwise, those areas will be painted flat black.


Definitely cover those areas as well. I even covered my couch and rear wall since both were very reflective, especially now with my HP screen.
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Question for the blackout specialists here: Does it make sense to cover the soffits (see single ?) with black velvet or the walls around the screenwall (see ?? area). Otherwise, those areas will be painted flat black.

Having the entire area around the screen black - one way or another - really makes a difference.
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Having the entire area around the screen black - one way or another - really makes a difference.

Agreed, but there is a significant difference between flat black paint and black velvet which my ceiling (flat black paint) reminds me of every night vs my floor and sidewalls (black velvet) biggrin.gif I need to finish off my ceiling at some point with velvet.
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Agreed, but there is a significant difference between flat black paint and black velvet which my ceiling (flat black paint) reminds me of every night vs my floor and sidewalls (black velvet) biggrin.gif I need to finish off my ceiling at some point with velvet.

I would go the black velvet route myself, except for one problem. I keep changing things in the room every few months. smile.gif I guess I could do the ceiling, but my low gain (0.85) screen is not lighting up my walls and ceiling very much at all on bright scenes.
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Agreed, but there is a significant difference between flat black paint and black velvet which my ceiling (flat black paint) reminds me of every night vs my floor and sidewalls (black velvet) biggrin.gif I need to finish off my ceiling at some point with velvet.
The best temporary (4 years ago) upgrade I did was to add black velvet to the walls, floor and ceiling of the first 5 feet of my theatre. The velvet installed easily with staples and was a very inexpensive solution from Jo-Ann's

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Agreed, but there is a significant difference between flat black paint and black velvet which my ceiling (flat black paint) reminds me of every night vs my floor and sidewalls (black velvet)

True, but some people have limitations on what they can do.

If you are renting, don't glue Protostar on your walls........... eek.gif
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True, but some people have limitations on what they can do.

If you are renting, don't glue Protostar on your walls........... eek.gif

I'm not renting, but that's something i've been thinking about (protostar)... I hate the idea of sticking something to my brand-new drywall that will destroy it if I ever want to change something.. I had a similar experience with some plastic stick-on conduit that, when I removed it to sell my townhouse, took a strip of drywall off with it.

My understanding is that black velvet is slightly better than protostar anyway... now I just need to find a way to attach it to the ceiling, walls, soffit (while being mindful of existing 3" can lights). Right now it seems that Fabricmate is in the lead for providing a solution. I thought about just handing black velvet curtains on the side walls... that still doesn't take care of the soffits...

Trying my very hardest to get all of this right the first time. If there are reflections on the ceiling / walls... I'm going to see it and it will bug me.

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Nice looking rooms guys. I recently blacked out my entire space with black fabric. Cost me 120 bucks and some staples.The result is a black hole, I kid you not, impossible to see in the room and even when the lights are on it is still very dark. . Really has helped with the image and thankfully my remotes have lights or I would be unable to use them. Lucky for me I am single because I could not see any of my ex wife approving.biggrin.gif

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Agreed, but there is a significant difference between flat black paint and black velvet which my ceiling (flat black paint) reminds me of every night vs my floor and sidewalls (black velvet) biggrin.gif I need to finish off my ceiling at some point with velvet.

So for those of you that have installed the black velvet, have you had any issues with it showing every little bit of dirt or white fluff? This is what my wife is worried about? Can some kind of sound panel be covered to help the sound be better at the same time?
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I am OCD, so I vacumm after every use of the theater, it's not bad in that scenario, but I could see it being an issue if you let it go for a month or so.

Also depends on how many people walk close to the screen, and parts of the theater with the black velvet.

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Sowk, you are the man when it comes to black! Wait, did that sound right? biggrin.gif

You made me paint my area around my screen black which I then recently did my ceiling black to. Now I am going to hit either Joanne or Michaels or a walmart and pick up some black velvet today to do around my screen area. smile.gif

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So for those of you that have installed the black velvet, have you had any issues with it showing every little bit of dirt or white fluff? This is what my wife is worried about? Can some kind of sound panel be covered to help the sound be better at the same time?

Non issue. I have had my velvet lined floor, walls, etc....for about eight years and is not showing any dirt or white fluff. Just vacuum once in a while and your good (I only vacuum down there once every three weeks or so).

I covered both my first reflection and bass traps on the side walls with velvet and honestly dont know what it does for sound good or bad. I do know that the velvet is not anywhere near dense enough to affect the LFE range, but not sure about highs/mids.
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I have lots of vertically mounted black velvet (e.g. around the screen wall, and hanging black velvet panels for image masking). In over 3 years I haven't had to clean it as it doesn't show any visible dirt or dust.

I also have black velvet on my floor and speakers. The top surfaces will allow dust to settle over time. It's not dirt, just a slightly lighter haze that forms on top of the velvet.
It's never enough to make the velvet visible during movies, but to get the deepest black look for lights on conditions I lightly vacuum those surface areas about once every one or two months. (The velvet doesn't pick up dirt, really, because no one walks on it).
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So I started my black velvet journey yesterday. I went to two Joanne Fabrics (they were fairly close to each other) and was able to use two 50% off coupons which made a huge difference. A cute girl working at one gave them to me. Anyway, I also hit a kmart and picked up the same best step pads Sowk has. I also noticed my local Sears hardware also has the same exact ones (because they are together more than likely). Of course they are much cheaper at kmart! So last night I did one wall. I used an electric staple gun for most of it and for the edges I used the spray adhesive the girl at Joanne Fabrics suggested. It works perfectly! It makes the velvet lay down like a second skin! I can see a difference which is significant when looking at the velvet and comparing it to the flat black paint. This is really fun...

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So I started my black velvet journey yesterday. I went to two Joanne Fabrics (they were fairly close to each other) and was able to use two 50% off coupons which made a huge difference. A cute girl working at one gave them to me. Anyway, I also hit a kmart and picked up the same best step pads Sowk has. I also noticed my local Sears hardware also has the same exact ones (because they are together more than likely). Of course they are much cheaper at kmart! So last night I did one wall. I used an electric staple gun for most of it and for the edges I used the spray adhesive the girl at Joanne Fabrics suggested. It works perfectly! It makes the velvet lay down like a second skin! I can see a difference which is significant when looking at the velvet and comparing it to the flat black paint. This is really fun...

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Did you just staple the velvet straight to the drywall then?

I'm thinking about building a second wall... or panels on top of the drywall using 1x2 boards... the the frame border would be 1 inch wide (all around) and 2" deep... That way I could attach a backing board and stick piece of 1" thick OC703 behind the velvet..

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So I started my black velvet journey yesterday. I went to two Joanne Fabrics (they were fairly close to each other) and was able to use two 50% off coupons which made a huge difference. A cute girl working at one gave them to me. Anyway, I also hit a kmart and picked up the same best step pads Sowk has. I also noticed my local Sears hardware also has the same exact ones (because they are together more than likely). Of course they are much cheaper at kmart! So last night I did one wall. I used an electric staple gun for most of it and for the edges I used the spray adhesive the girl at Joanne Fabrics suggested. It works perfectly! It makes the velvet lay down like a second skin! I can see a difference which is significant when looking at the velvet and comparing it to the flat black paint. This is really fun...

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There's no doubt you'll love the results.

There really is a difference in the viewing experience when you go from being able to perceive anything around the image to true pitch black. It moves the experience even more into the "Professional, Cinematic" territory. (Which is a bit ironic because even theaters don't have as pitch black surrounding as you end up with when using black velvet. But that's the vibe I get the more I make my room disappear).
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There's no doubt you'll love the results.

There really is a difference in the viewing experience when you go from being able to perceive anything around the image to true pitch black. It moves the experience even more into the "Professional, Cinematic" territory. (Which is a bit ironic because even theaters don't have as pitch black surrounding as you end up with when using black velvet. But that's the vibe I get the more I make my room disappear).

Rich, I have to give you credit - after just watching movies happily in our theater for the last 3 years, I ran across your theater build thread again here at AVS forum a couple of months ago. For some reason, it gave me the bug to start changing my theater to see if I could darken it enough ( without going to the " every square inch is black velvet " extreme and pissing off my wife ), to create an enviroment where a white screen worked as well or better than my Firehawk. When I reached the point where a StudioTek 130 G3 sample looked as good on really dark scenes as my Firehawk did, I decided to pull the trigger and replace my Firehawk. That required painting my ceiling very dark gray, painting my light gray walls darker gray, totally covering the beige carpet with a wall to wall black rug ( s ), and a few other tricks.

The new StudioTek 130 G3 screen looks absolutely outstanding ! Watched Flight on it Wed. night after installing it. It was almost like looking out a window at the real world. With the Lumis the picture is just top notch. Thank you for inspiring me to get back to work improving my theater. The payoff is more than worth the effort and expense !! Craig smile.gif

PS - the moral of the story is you don't necessarily have to go 100% black - depending on the room, very dark grey flat paint in various shades can work too ( with black velvet around your screen ). You can make a room work and have some WAF too!
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Did you just staple the velvet straight to the drywall then?

I'm thinking about building a second wall... or panels on top of the drywall using 1x2 boards... the the frame border would be 1 inch wide (all around) and 2" deep... That way I could attach a backing board and stick piece of 1" thick OC703 behind the velvet..

Yes, up on top and then I pulled the sides and used the adhesive for the edges. Here's the adhesive I am using...


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