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Got the felt tape on the track. Tried to get pics in various brightness levels. Can't wait to finish the rest the area in front of the screen. There's a soffit after the 4th row of tiles so I will be stopping there.
Wow! What a difference that made. It looks very nice! Nice work.
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Here is how mine ended up. Very happy with it.




I posted a full build thread here to make it easy for anyone to repeat:
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Got the felt tape on the track. Tried to get pics in various brightness levels. Can't wait to finish the rest the area in front of the screen. There's a soffit after the 4th row of tiles so I will be stopping there.
Looks great.
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I have seen that with the triple black from Joannes. Try rotating it, you should see a difference.
Yep, that was it. I had no idea the velvet was directional in appearance. Thanks!
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Here is the black 'flock velvet tape' I used from Ebay, this stuff can come in handy to cover things like projector screen cases, A/C vents, smoke detectors, or even ceiling fan blades (do at your own risk). I covered my WHITE electric projector screen, my ceiling fan blades, and a smoke detector. The ceiling fan still works, though I rarely use it. It helped a ton turning my ugly white case into a black velvet case, it's invisible now when watching content unless the lights are on in the room.



It's not quite as dark as the Triple Black Velvet from Fabric Outlet, but it's darker than the felt tape I originally tried.
Not sure though, some sellers might be selling the flock tape and calling it felt, some might be selling felt and calling it flock...
I've seen some of the tape be too grayish looking from one seller, but 2 out of 3 of sellers the tape was fine.

Here are a couple different sellers, you can also find it in 1" or 1/2" width sometimes.

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I made one masking panel by just tacking magnets directly to the triple velvet material, but definitely go with cardboard or foamboard for masking panels.
It works using direct fabric, but it gets too wrinkly. It looks the same in the dark though if someone wants a quick and dirty solution.

As noted earlier, I have a 106" electric 16:9 that drops down in front of my 125" CIH blackout cloth screen. Again, the blackout cloth screen looks virtually identical to the electric screen from my seating position in both color and texture, the electric might be 10% brighter (not sure hard to tell by eye). I originally thought blackout cloth didn't focus as tightly, but it appears to focus the same compared to the Draper.

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Does anyone have a link to the correct Joann Fabrics velvet?

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Does anyone have a link to the correct Joann Fabrics velvet?

Thx
I didn't try the Joann, but here is the Bravo:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Once there, make sure you press the button to see all the vendors and get Fabric Bravo.







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Does anyone have a link to the correct Joann Fabrics velvet?

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The Royalty 3 Black Velvet is what I used:

https://www.joann.com/royalty-3-velv...elvet%20Fabric
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The Royalty 3 Black Velvet is what I used:

https://www.joann.com/royalty-3-velv...elvet%20Fabric
I used the Premier because it was the first one I found in the store and I didn't realize there was another kind. It's expensive so I only bought it when there were 40-60% off coupons. I am going to stop at Hobby Lobby (ugh) today (edit: not today since they're closed 🙄 ) with a piece of the Joann Premier to see how it compares since it's way cheaper. I will probably end up sticking with the Premier so my ceiling is uniform though. Wish I would have just bought a bolt of the Bravo stuff from Amazon.

https://www.joann.com/premier-velvet/9055674.html

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I want to put some velvet on my the side walls of my theater room, and am probably thinking about having them extend out 4 to 5 feet from the screen and extending back into the room. From reading some of this thread and considering the various options, the one that seems easiest and most practical and economical for me is to get some 1/2" foam insulation from Home Depot, and then to cover the panels with adhesive velvet from ProtoStar or McMaster-Carr, and then to fasten the panels to my drywall somehow.

With respect to fastening, I am thinking of glueing magnets to the rear of the foam insulation boards and then attaching magnets to the wall with screws. (Somebody posted a link earlier to a product on amazon that was a magnet with countersunk holes). I guess the other option would be to nail or screw the insulation board to the walls with screws or end cap nails, but then I'd have to paint the screws or nails black. It seems to me that the magnets would at least make the velvet look neater, and the panels would be easier to remove if I wanted to temporarily change the look of the room (sometimes it can double as a bedroom).

Anybody have any suggestions, tips, potential problem areas, or better alternatives? I want to do something that looks good and is somewhat economical, but something that is also not too permanent.

Thanks for any suggestions. This thread is a wealth of information, but sometimes just reading all the suggestions and alternative installation techniques gets a bit overwhelming.
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You are going to spend way more getting the self adhesive stuff, buy the Fabric Bolt from Amazon instead and glue it or staple it to the boards, and attach magnets if you like.
If you make panels, they will look pretty much perfect. Even just using staples (no glue) I was able to make perfect looking panels out of foam board for masking, not sure tiles or wall panels would be any different unless you are working with real large pieces. So if you are using much larger pieces, you may need to use glue as well (not sure as I have never tried very large pieces with only stapling to a board).

Just buy the bolt, get 1 panel, and test it, see if you like it. Not that hard, otherwise trying to decide without testing you will just keep going in circles.
You're overthinking this, it's not as hard as it sounds.

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You are going to spend way more getting the self adhesive stuff, buy the Fabric Bolt from Amazon instead and glue it or staple it to the boards.
If you make panels, they will look pretty much perfect. Even just using staples (no glue) I was able to make perfect looking panels out of foam board for masking, not sure tiles or wall panels would be any different unless you are working with real large pieces. So if you are using much larger pieces, you may need to use glue as well (not sure as I have never tried very large pieces with only stapling to a board).
Thanks for the input coderguy. My wife had the same suggestion after I told her about the adhesive stuff, and since she made the suggestion, I can probably get her to help with the construction. She's good at that kind of stuff.
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Video of electric 16:9 Draper going up over the 2.35 blackout cloth (homemade screen).
Top screen is Draper, bottom is blackout cloth.
Taken with my phone, so not perfect looking.

So all you have to do is lower the screen, then put up the side panels.


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Video of electric 16:9 Draper coming down in front of 2.35 blackout cloth (homemade screen).
It says the video is being blocked on copyright grounds.
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It says the video is being blocked on copyright grounds.
Fixed now, wow the copyright police sure are active these days to block a 1 minute video

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Guys I took down my theater and now I have a lot of Joanne Royalty 3 black velvet I have no use for. I have at least 20, maybe 30 yards. Mostly in about 11 ft sections but other various sized pieces too. I'll hook someone up for a good price on the lot. PM me if interested. I'm in Crown Point, IN.
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The light bulbs were really bothering me, sticking out against all the velvet. So I came up with an idea and it actually worked really well: Plasti Dip.

The 3rd pic is the light on at 100%, 4th one is 10%
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The light bulbs were really bothering me, sticking out against all the velvet. So I came up with an idea and it actually worked really well: Plasti Dip.

The 3rd pic is the light on at 100%, 4th one is 10%
So the light is actually able to cut through the plasti dip without a noticeable drop in brightness?

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So the light is actually able to cut through the plasti dip without a noticeable drop in brightness?
Not noticeable to me. Maybe if you measured with a light meter it would show a drop but I don't use these very often anyway. I got the idea when I saw people were using it on their tail lights. And since it's Plasti Dip, you can just peel it off if you don't like it.

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The light bulbs were really bothering me, sticking out against all the velvet. So I came up with an idea and it actually worked really well: Plasti Dip.



The 3rd pic is the light on at 100%, 4th one is 10%
That's crazy.. the plastic doesnt melt?

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Or catch on fire. Maybe a light dimmer instead ?
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Or catch on fire. Maybe a light dimmer instead ?
This is the blackout thread. The Plasti Dip is for hiding the bulbs when they are off. But I can dim them as I mentioned in my post. One picture is at 10% brightness and one is at 100%.

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And they are LED bulbs



This is the blackout thread. The Plasti Dip is for hiding the bulbs when they are off. But I can dim them as I mentioned in my post. One picture is at 10% brightness and one is at 100%.
My ceilings are taller I guess - I don't notice my recessed can light bulbs at all during a movie.

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Only 21 panels to go! I added the top row at the back this morning before work, but the second off top row on the back wall was what really made the room darker with content - my front wall is already JR3 and GoM black.

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Thanks for all of the great responses. I think I am going to need to do more ceiling treatment than I previously thought. The screen reflection comes pretty far back from normal viewing distance.



I started with my LED light trims last night and painted a flat black. They turned out alright.



I painted my lights using the exact same method just before getting the HT3550. That and my Atmos ceiling speakers and the vents. It all turned out better than I expected.

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And they are LED bulbs







This is the blackout thread. The Plasti Dip is for hiding the bulbs when they are off. But I can dim them as I mentioned in my post. One picture is at 10% brightness and one is at 100%.
How hot can the bulbs get?

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And they are LED bulbs







This is the blackout thread. The Plasti Dip is for hiding the bulbs when they are off. But I can dim them as I mentioned in my post. One picture is at 10% brightness and one is at 100%.
How hot do u think the led lights can get? I have no clue..

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