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Which method did you use to attach the material?
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Could you supply a link to the fabric walking that you used?
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A lot of people use fabricmate.com
https://fabricmate.com/
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A lot of people use fabricmate.com
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ooo... i want to do this to my room instead of painting. Then I dont have to wait/pay for texturing my fresh drywall either.

How reasonably priced is this? How difficult or easy is the installation? Would love to hear from people who have worked with this stuff before.
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ooo... i want to do this to my room instead of painting. Then I dont have to wait/pay for texturing my fresh drywall either.

How reasonably priced is this? How difficult or easy is the installation? Would love to hear from people who have worked with this stuff before.
Easy to install, but fabric walls are not considered cheap to do.
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Could you supply a link to the fabric walking that you used?
I don't have time to personally do the fabric walling for the home theaters that I design and build, so I subcontract a third party to do it who specialize in fabric walling. I have used two companies, one uses their own fixing batons, the other uses a system similar to Fabricmate

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ooo... i want to do this to my room instead of painting. Then I dont have to wait/pay for texturing my fresh drywall either.

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Easy to install, but fabric walls are not considered cheap to do.
Easy to install, but time-consuming if you want to do all the walls and ceiling. There are companies that specialize in fabric-walling so if you are short on time perhaps obtain a few quotes.

Obviously how much is a kinda 'how long is a piece of string' type question in that it will depend upon how large is your room and whether you want to do all the walls and ceiling or only partial coverage.

In the UK to do an entire room, including all walls, ceiling, doors, skirtings, architraves etc. with dimensions 5.6m x 5.4m x 2.7m / 18' 4" x 17' 9" x 8' 10" costs around 15,000 bucks.

It's awesome, but not cheap. Of course, this is paying someone else to do it, so if you do it yourself you would save the labour costs

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I don't have time to personally do the fabric walling for the home theaters that I design and build, so I subcontract a third party to do it who specialize in fabric walling. I have used two companies, one uses their own fixing batons, the other uses a system similar to Fabricmate



Easy to install, but time-consuming if you want to do all the walls and ceiling. There are companies that specialize in fabric-walling so if you are short on time perhaps obtain a few quotes.

Obviously how much is a kinda 'how long is a piece of string' type question in that it will depend upon how large is your room and whether you want to do all the walls and ceiling or only partial coverage.

In the UK to do an entire room, including all walls, ceiling, doors, skirtings, architraves etc. with dimensions 5.6m x 5.4m x 2.7m / 18' 4" x 17' 9" x 8' 10" costs around 15,000 bucks.

It's awesome, but not cheap. Of course, this is paying someone else to do it, so if you do it yourself you would save the labour costs

Then there is the much cheaper highly labor intensive method that many on AVSF have used. Build a bunch of frames and wrap with fabric. Seems like it takes forever and a day, using this method.
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In the UK to do an entire room, including all walls, ceiling, doors, skirtings, architraves etc. with dimensions 5.6m x 5.4m x 2.7m / 18' 4" x 17' 9" x 8' 10" costs around 15,000 bucks.

It's awesome, but not cheap. Of course, this is paying someone else to do it, so if you do it yourself you would save the labour costs
I don't blame you for contracting it out, I got a repetitive stress injury from doing it myself.
I only finished half my room because I'm waiting to go back and finish until I'm fully recovered.
I used black sheets temporarily for the other half, so it's still a bat cave though.

I was not used to those steps up and down - up and down 1000 times on the step ladder.
I didn't feel like I was overdoing it or anything, just one day --- suddenly I couldn't walk anymore

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I used the fabricmate 1/2" channels on my ceiling with GOM FR701. I can tell you that the process is not as easy as it sounds or looks. If and when i ever have to do this again i'm just going to make poplar frames, wrap them in fabric, then nail to walls/ceiling.. cheaper and easier IMHO.
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I used the fabricmate 1/2" channels on my ceiling with GOM FR701. I can tell you that the process is not as easy as it sounds or looks. If and when i ever have to do this again i'm just going to make poplar frames, wrap them in fabric, then nail to walls/ceiling.. cheaper and easier IMHO.
Ceilings are much tougher than walls. With walls, gravity works with you. On ceilings, against you.
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Illuminated LCR and subs as promised:
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Illuminated LCR and subs as promised:
absolutely beautiful. Elegant and minimal but still extravagant looking.
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Illuminated LCR and subs as promised:
Mine's bigger than yours...



Incidentally, this entire home theater / cinema is going to be fabric walled in black velvet:




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The cheapest way is to build big panels and covered with speaker grill fabric, purchased by the bolt.

I'm with cnebrask, build frames, but then bolt them to Unistrut run horizontally. And not take the frames right to the floor, so I run LED lighting under the edge, and introduce some lighting flair. Nothing more elaborate then speaker grill fabric, rather inexpensive when bought by the bolt.
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Then there is the much cheaper highly labor intensive method that many on AVSF have used. Build a bunch of frames and wrap with fabric. Seems like it takes forever and a day, using this method.
Ain't that the truth. 42 down and 16 to go! Plus baseboards - still don't know if I'll wrap with velvet or paint. This aspect of my build has been ongoing since September, but since I needed 2" deep panels (for the most part) I'd have needed to cut wood anyway or use $3000 of 2" track. As it is I saved about $2300, but the opportunity cost has likely been high.
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Mine's bigger than yours...
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I will be disappointed if I'm not outside-guest #1 It's looking fantastic.. ;-)

Edit: I'm eager to find out whether your selected material beats the Fidelio as I'll use the same for the ceiling / screen wall / side panels of my room.
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Incidentally, this entire home theater / cinema is going to be fabric walled in black velvet:







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"They really built this? This isn't a mock-up or anything?"

Haha, well it's not completely finished just yet, but yes I am indeed really building this

If folks are interested when I find time I will start a new thread regarding the build. I'm also building an 'ultimate' TV & Gaming room as well. I plan on hosting some open day AV parties over the course of a number of weekends for forum members when it's all finished

BOTH rooms are going to be fully finished in black velvet, so that's all the walls, the ceiling, the ceiling bulkheads, the star ceilings, the skirtings, the architraves, the doors etc. and all door handles, door hinges, climate control grilles, sockets and switches etc. will of course be black, as will be the carpet, rugs, and seating, with the idea being to create the blackest possible environment once the lights go off and the entertainment starts

Room aesthetics will be provided via some seriously cool lighting schemes, plus the projection screen turns into an gigantic piece of artwork when the system is off that is illuminated via specialist rectangular framing projection lighting...

But I don't want to derail this thread so like I said I will start a new thread providing all the details as and when









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That is quite impressive looking, as far as all the shapes of the wood and everything.

Are you a home builder or an HT guy, make up your mind...

I wouldn't mind your job, but I have very little experience in construction.
So what I need in order to gain some experience, is for someone to volunteer their HT to me for some construction testing.
I'll bring a saw and see what I can do, I'll start with the projector first...

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That is quite impressive looking, as far as all the shapes of the wood and everything.

Are you a home builder or an HT guy, make up your mind...

I wouldn't mind your job, but I have very little experience in construction.
So what I need in order to gain some experience, is for someone to volunteer their HT to me for some construction testing.
I'll bring a saw and see what I can do, I'll start with the projector first...
If you want to see just how much construction has been involved with this particular project wait until you see the details when I post them in the respective build thread as and when...

...Because the entire complex is situated underground




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Hah, you are hilarious...
That might just be the best post ever in this forum...

*no sarcasm intended*
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Hi everyone. I have read through most of this thread and want to know if there is a next best alternative to room treatment. I don't want to change the aesthetic of my room but want a "floating picture" effect and reduce or eliminate screen reflections as much as possible. What about getting an ALR screen? I am sure it is not as good as room treatments but would at least be a 50% improvement compared to my matte white screen.
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Hi everyone. I have read through most of this thread and want to know if there is a next best alternative to room treatment. I don't want to change the aesthetic of my room but want a "floating picture" effect and reduce or eliminate screen reflections as much as possible. What about getting an ALR screen? I am sure it is not as good as room treatments but would at least be a 50% improvement compared to my matte white screen.
Hi,

About the ALR screen, I think you may get more optimistic replies if you ask the same question at the Screens section of the forum. If your room looks anything like those photos you've posted, then a system of black velvet curtains covering both walls and ceiling would not greatly change its aesthetics.
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Hi everyone. I have read through most of this thread and want to know if there is a next best alternative to room treatment. I don't want to change the aesthetic of my room but want a "floating picture" effect and reduce or eliminate screen reflections as much as possible. What about getting an ALR screen? I am sure it is not as good as room treatments but would at least be a 50% improvement compared to my matte white screen.
Does that screen change aspect ratios by expanding vertically? What am I seeing there?
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Does that screen change aspect ratios by expanding vertically? What am I seeing there?
I am also wondering. Is that 2 different screens? One thing you could do is replace the white speaker covers and vents in the ceiling to black.

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And one of the speakers disappears... SJ
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Which makes me wonder if that’s not mostly a digital mock-up of some sort.


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Maybe one of those "spot the differences" puzzles...
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Alr screen is junk, at least my experience with CARLs ALR

Dims the image way too much, hot spotting, sparkling, color shift, u name it

But it does work better with some ligjt in room.
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