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Thanks @GPBURNS, I have black velvet draped over my speakers. I think that will help my situation.
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I say aesthetically because the main reason I blacked out my room, was for immersion that comes from only seeing the screen, with no other visual distractions.
I try to (within my reason) keep down reflections and at the same time I haven't worried about "blacking out" the room visually. I never watch anything that doesn't grab my attention... if it didn't I wouldn't watch it. In reality unless I did a crazy "profession" job of hiding everything I would be more bothered by knowing how it looks than any distraction. I guess once I "know" the room it disappears and only the experience is left. Now I understand others may not have such tunnel vision however at times I think they may focus more on the room's experience than the presentation itself.
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Any suggestion of a really good triple black velvet that have a width of 200cm (78") or more?

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Any suggestion of a really good triple black velvet that have a width of 200cm (78") or more?
When I was looking for Velvet, I never saw anything that wide. It usually comes in a roll that's anywhere from 40-48" wide. The roll I bought from Amazon, was 40" wide, and I needed to make a curtain to cover a 100" long wall. I bought this tape, and used it to join 3 panels together. This stuff is stronger than sewing it together. I messed a piece up, and had to try and pull it apart. The Velvet actually ripped before the tape came separated.

Therm O Web PeelnStick Fabric Fuse Tape 5/8 Inch x 20 Feet (3346) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018BVNIS..._WluJDbJE31KBM


Here's the Velvet I bought. You won't find 30 yards any cheaper. That's a little less than $6/yard, and most places are $8-$10/yard.

45" Black Triple Velvet-30 Yards Wholesale by the Bolt https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EEJSG90..._KmuJDb9F8RDFD

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Regarding light getting reflected back to the screen, you might have covered enough to make a big difference.

Regarding what is observable in your field of view during movie viewing, you kinda have to go far enough to eliminate any sheen reflections from the ceiling, floor or side walls.
I was going to say the same thing, I bought the self-Adhesive Velour to covered all my walls and ceiling back about 6ft which I did and like you said this was far enough I felt for improving contrast levels on the screen itself, not says more or in fact the entire room doesn't make a difference as I'm sure it does but unlike the first 6ft these improvement after that amount to a few percent improvement at most. As I had enough to take back a further 3.5ft all over I did and what I found was it give no distractions from the reflections coming off the walls that weren't covered originally after the first 6ft and in my peripheral vision.

My vision is now locked solely on the screen.
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Here is my room, and where I have the velvet. I hung a velvet panel to cover the media closet door, but I didn't do the wall where I noted in the layout. Do you guys agree that it wasn't worth doing that wall, because the media closet wall blocks out any reflection?

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I just bought some of this Black 3.0 to see how black it is. The Black 2.0 was not any darker than other black paint so we will see. I doubt it’s as black as Rosco Video Paint TV Black (which is darker than Rosco Supersaturated and has 3% reflectance). I will report back with results.



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I just bought some of this Black 3.0 to see how black it is. The Black 2.0 was not any darker than other black paint so we will see. I doubt it’s as black as Rosco Video Paint TV Black (which is darker than Rosco Supersaturated and has 3% reflectance). I will report back with results.






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Nice , looking forward to the report


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Here is my room, and where I have the velvet. I hung a velvet panel to cover the media closet door, but I didn't do the wall where I noted in the layout. Do you guys agree that it wasn't worth doing that wall, because the media closet wall blocks out any reflection?
I personally would not be too concerned about that wall, given the distance and the media closet. How's the ceiling treated?
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I personally would not be too concerned about that wall, given the distance and the media closet. How's the ceiling treated?
The ceiling has 3' of black velvet, from the screen wall.

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The ceiling has 3' of black velvet, from the screen wall.
Sounds like a good place to be. I, too, stopped at about that point. Obviously many in this thread take it to extremes. The ceiling area between that edge 3 feet from your screen and the projector is probably the biggest reflection point left now, depending on your projector position of course. Also, does your projector leak light out of the vents? My first projector did that -- lit up the back wall. Velvet around the projector area would help there as well, in such case.
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Sounds like a good place to be. I, too, stopped at about that point. Obviously many in this thread take it to extremes. The ceiling area between that edge 3 feet from your screen and the projector is probably the biggest reflection point left now, depending on your projector position of course. Also, does your projector leak light out of the vents? My first projector did that -- lit up the back wall. Velvet around the projector area would help there as well, in such case.
I have the Epson 5050ub, and I built a nice sized box in the back wall, that the projector sits in. No light leakage from the vents. The inside of the box is painted black.

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I finally got my multi-use (compromised to keep the wife happy room) done.

I went with triple black velvet off Amazon and made some simple curtains using hot glue. Tacked fabric to the ceiling in-line with my wall changes. Attaching the fabric to my drop-down attic access door was a pain and made it all take way longer than it should, but the end results are great!

Here is a quick before and after.
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I finally got my multi-use (compromised to keep the wife happy room) done.

I went with triple black velvet off Amazon and made some simple curtains using hot glue. Tacked fabric to the ceiling in-line with my wall changes. Attaching the fabric to my drop-down attic access door was a pain and made it all take way longer than it should, but the end results are great!

Here is a quick before and after.
Looks great! How is your viewing experience, before and after? Do you have a scrap of fabric left to try covering the area below the screen to see if it makes a significant difference? Or to wrap the cabinet of the center speaker?
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Looks great! How is your viewing experience, before and after? Do you have a scrap of fabric left to try covering the area below the screen to see if it makes a significant difference? Or to wrap the cabinet of the center speaker?
It definitely improved my contrast and makes the image float. I had to recalibrate my contrast & brightness settings after I got it all put up

I'm debating on covering that little bottom strip yet. I don't really notice it much with a movie on as my screen is so low to the ground, but I may still cover it.

I do have plenty of fabric left! I might drape the front set of speakers too!


Now I'm wishing I had a way to do a full-out bat cave with this room, but I enjoy being married, so it's doubtful...

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I finally got my multi-use (compromised to keep the wife happy room) done.



I went with triple black velvet off Amazon and made some simple curtains using hot glue. Tacked fabric to the ceiling in-line with my wall changes. Attaching the fabric to my drop-down attic access door was a pain and made it all take way longer than it should, but the end results are great!



Here is a quick before and after.
That looks really great. I know covering the ceiling is a royal pain in the butt. It does make quite a bit of difference. It will be worth the work.

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Also, my acoustic panels now appear to be covered in dark grey fabric instead of black next to the triple black velvet; ugh...lol

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That looks really great. I know covering the ceiling is a royal pain in the butt. It does make quite a bit of difference. It will be worth the work.

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Ya I had to cover this access door - not so fun, but it's done with now!
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Ya I had to cover this access door - not so fun, but it's done with now!
That looks great. Nice work!!! I bet your wife noticed the picture quality difference.

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It definitely improved my contrast and makes the image float. I had to recalibrate my contrast & brightness settings after I got it all put up

I'm debating on covering that little bottom strip yet. I don't really notice it much with a movie on as my screen is so low to the ground, but I may still cover it.

I do have plenty of fabric left! I might drape the front set of speakers too!


Now I'm wishing I had a way to do a full-out bat cave with this room, but I enjoy being married, so it's doubtful...
It might be worth experimenting with attaching a strip of fabric to the weight bar of the screen to ride down when the screen comes down, then it won't look odd when the screen is up.
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We recently had a minor flooding issue in our basement that has our home theater room out of commission. Fortunately nothing damaged other than the carpet!

But with all the flooring tore out and the room emptied I think I want to take advantage of the opportunity to repaint the room. Currently it is beige and white (remnants of being a multi-person room for the previous owners). I think I will do a grey carpet, grey walls, and a black ceiling.

Any reason NOT to do a matte finish on the ceiling? Doesn't seem like it would get much contact so there shouldn't be too much in the way of hard-to-remove dirt or scratches that typically plague matte finishes.
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We recently had a minor flooding issue in our basement that has our home theater room out of commission. Fortunately nothing damaged other than the carpet!



But with all the flooring tore out and the room emptied I think I want to take advantage of the opportunity to repaint the room. Currently it is beige and white (remnants of being a multi-person room for the previous owners). I think I will do a grey carpet, grey walls, and a black ceiling.



Any reason NOT to do a matte finish on the ceiling? Doesn't seem like it would get much contact so there shouldn't be too much in the way of hard-to-remove dirt or scratches that typically plague matte finishes.

You definitely want a matte finish on the ceiling. Rosco Video Paint is currently the “most black” paint for this application. Just painted 9ft of my 23.5’ room walls with it and wow what a difference:



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Has anyone who has stapled velvet to a ceiling had any issues with dimples from the staple being visible on the velvet's surface (when light reflected from the screen shines on the velvet). I plan to use black staples, I just don't know if the "depression" caused by the staple will be visible.


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Has anyone who has stapled velvet to a ceiling had any issues with dimples from the staple being visible on the velvet's surface (when light reflected from the screen shines on the velvet). I plan to use black staples, I just don't know if the "depression" caused by the staple will be visible.
Search this thread for discussion of a stapling method where you staple through the back and then fold it over. The staples do not have to be visible at all. Start at one edge stapling the back to the ceiling while the good side of velvet hangs down the wall, then stretch it over and staple in place, then add the next layer wrong side up (down, actually, since it is on the ceiling) along that edge, covering those staples, then fold over again, across. make sense?

If you do find yourself stapling through the front, a light touch with a fabric brush would probably hide the staple in the velvet pile.
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Search this thread for discussion of a stapling method where you staple through the back and then fold it over. The staples do not have to be visible at all. Start at one edge stapling the back to the ceiling while the good side of velvet hangs down the wall, then stretch it over and staple in place, then add the next layer wrong side up (down, actually, since it is on the ceiling) along that edge, covering those staples, then fold over again, across. make sense?

If you do find yourself stapling through the front, a light touch with a fabric brush would probably hide the staple in the velvet pile.
sorry for being dense, but i cant envision your method based on the description.

That being said, I'm only attaching one single piece (44" wide and 120" long) in one single strip across the ceiling above my screen. So i think stapling through the front is the only option, no?

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@DavidinGA , that is what I did with some of my fabric, placed some over the top of the speakers and subs, so they disappear.
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sorry for being dense, but i cant envision your method based on the description.

That being said, I'm only attaching one single piece (44" wide and 120" long) in one single strip across the ceiling above my screen. So i think stapling through the front is the only option, no?

thanks

You could put a piece of trim across the edge to cover the staples, in that case.


search the thread, I am sure more than one person has explained folding velvet over the staples.
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Like I mentioned in my earlier post I just blacked out my theater with Rosco Video Paint. Looking forward to your upcoming calibration tweak at my house on October 22!


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Okay there is now a paint that is darker than Rosco Video Paint. Black 3.0... but it is very expensive ($22.00 plus shipping for a tiny bottle of unknown volume ... 4.5 inches tall by 1.5 inches in diameter). It’s made for artists.

I painted a patch over the Rosco and it’s visibly darker and reflects even less light.

A 5 liter size will sell for 350 British pounds ($430) plus shipping !!!




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Okay there is now a paint that is darker than Rosco Video Paint. Black 3.0... but it is very expensive ($22.00 plus shipping for a tiny bottle of unknown volume ... 4.5 inches tall by 1.5 inches in diameter). It’s made for artists.

I painted a patch over the Rosco and it’s visibly darker and reflects even less light.

A 5 liter size will sell for 350 British pounds ($430) plus shipping !!!




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