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Okay there is now a paint that is darker than Rosco Video Paint. Black 3.0... but it is very expensive ($22.00 plus shipping for a tiny bottle of unknown volume ... 4.5 inches tall by 1.5 inches in diameter). It’s made for artists.

I painted a patch over the Rosco and it’s visibly darker and reflects even less light.

A 5 liter size will sell for 350 British pounds ($430) plus shipping !!!
OUCH !!!

I could see using something as a masking solution, but not to paint a room. Well, if cost is no consideration, maybe yeah.

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I could see using something as a masking solution, but not to paint a room. Well, if cost is no consideration, maybe yeah.

I did dilute the Black 3.0 paint with about 20% water and it was still darker than Rosco so maybe I can dilute it even more. .... to get more coverage per tube of paint.


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[QUOTE=farsider3000;58632404]I did dilute it with about 20% water and it was still darker than Rosco so maybe I can dilute it even more. .... to get more coverage per tube of paint.[/QUOTE

How much did you dilute your Rosco? 2:1 is the recommendation, right?

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I did dilute it with about 20% water and it was still darker than Rosco so maybe I can dilute it even more. .... to get more coverage per tube of paint.[/QUOTE



How much did you dilute your Rosco? 2:1 is the recommendation, right?



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I did not dilute the Rosco Video Paint as I believe the instructions did not mention diluting like the Rosco Supersaturated does.


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Okay there is now a paint that is darker than Rosco Video Paint. Black 3.0... but it is very expensive ($22.00 plus shipping for a tiny bottle of unknown volume ... 4.5 inches tall by 1.5 inches in diameter). It’s made for artists.

I painted a patch over the Rosco and it’s visibly darker and reflects even less light.

A 5 liter size will sell for 350 British pounds ($430) plus shipping !!!
Nice!

Where can you buy this from? The Stuart Semple website seems to only list Black 2.0? http://stuartsemple.com/project/blac...-art-material/


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Nice!



Where can you buy this from? The Stuart Semple website seems to only list Black 2.0? http://stuartsemple.com/project/blac...-art-material/



You used to be able to buy it here through culture house but it is now sold out. Black version 3.2 will be out on 10/18 according to the website.

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Where can you buy this from? The Stuart Semple website seems to only list Black 2.0? http://stuartsemple.com/project/blac...-art-material/



Damn I just bought tv video black.. this says it blocks 99% what percent does rosco video black block..

This can be like walking into a black whole..

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You used to be able to buy it here through culture house but it is now sold out. Black version 3.2 will be out on 10/18 according to the website.

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I emailed them and they indicated that what I received was in fact Black 3.2 as they made improvements from earlier in the year.




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Damn I just bought tv video black.. this says it blocks 99% what percent does rosco video black block..

This can be like walking into a black whole..

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This is really expensive. Not really meant for painting walls.

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Damn I just bought tv video black.. this says it blocks 99% what percent does rosco video black block..

This can be like walking into a black whole...
Jorge the ROSCO TV VIDEO PAINT is still the best choice for painting walls and ceilings. The BLACK 3.0/3.2 is crazy expensive so use it for small items and/or or areas... Personally, I am going to use it for painting my smoke alarms and security motion sensors etc.


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Damn I just bought tv video black.. this says it blocks 99% what percent does rosco video black block..

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The Rosco Video Paint light reflectance spec is 3% (see label on back of can).

I agree with the other posters that Black 3.0/3.2 is not meant for painting walls due to the price and container size.


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The Rosco Video Paint light reflectance spec is 3% (see label on back of can).

I agree with the other posters that Black 3.0/3.2 is not meant for painting walls due to the price and container size.
So basically the Rosco Video Paint blocks 97% of light

The Black 3.0/3.2 blocks 99% which puts it circa on par with Protostar Flocking.

I have some Protostar here so it will be interesting to see how the Black 3.0/3.2 directly compares

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So basically the Rosco Video Paint blocks 97% of light



The Black 3.0/3.2 blocks 99% which puts it circa on par with Protostar Flocking.



I have some Protostar here so it will be interesting to see how the Black 3.0/3.2 directly compares




It’s not going to be as dark as Protostar I don’t think. I saw it against Fidelio velvet in my theater and the Fidelio was darker.

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It’s not going to be as dark as Protostar I don’t think. I saw it against Fidelio velvet in my theater and the Fidelio was darker.

I will take some pics this week.
Fidelio is blacker than Protostar. Protostar is rated 99% light reflective, which is the same spec as Black 3.0, so it might be pretty close

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I did not dilute the Rosco Video Paint as I believe the instructions did not mention diluting like the Rosco Supersaturated does.
We had different versions. Mine was the saturated.
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We had different versions. Mine was the saturated.

Yes there are two recommended Rosco paints and these paints are the darkest, most matte on the market except for the super expensive Black 3.0/3.2:

1.) Rosco Supersaturated
2.) Rosco Video Paint - TV Black (this is slightly darker than the supersaturated)


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Yes it does but it makes the room so dark it’s hard to see them. I painted the front 9-10 ft of my room with the Rosco Video Paint and the back half of my room with Sherwin Williams flat tricorn black in the emerald line. That is Sherwin Williams best interior paint and the matte / flat shows zero smudges.

No one really touches the walls from the screen out to about 9 ft so I believe it will work for me.


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I see some people on the forums are liking the Benjamin Moore Obsidian Q5. At $125 a gallon, that's pretty pricey. If it's better than the Rosco TV Black, then I wouldn't mind paying. People definitely say it's more durable, as far as it doesn't smudge if people touch it. That might be worth the extra money right there.

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So I went to BM to check out the Obsidian, and had a great talk with a rep there. I told him I was interested in the Obsidian for a theater room, and he said he wouldn't recommend it because it does have some sheen to it. He did recommend a paint called Fine Paints of Europe in flat black, and that many contractors use it for theater rooms, and they've never used anything else since trying it. He showed me a demo card of it, and rubbed his knuckles all over it. It left some marks, but he grabbed a rag, and easily wiped all the marks away, like chalk on a chalkboard. I ended up grabbing a Euro gallon, which is about 8/10th of a gallon. It was $90, and when I have time, I'll be doing my ceiling where the velvet isn't, and also the back wall, that's opposite the screen. Anyone else hear of that paint?

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OMG this video black is so black that black looks white next to it.. Oh gosh its like walking into a blackhole..

Going to do screen wall and 4 feet of the side walls and i might drop this in it and finish the whole room with it.. The wife and kids love it.. https://us.rosco.com/en/product/clear-acrylic-glazes

One of the sales rep told me to add some of this to the paint to keep it from scuffing..
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Yes, have experience with spray painting acoustical ceilings. If spraying with tile in place, once it dries, you will not be able to remove the tile, without damaging it. In other words, you are cutting off your above ceiling access. Two solutions: shim each tile up, before painting or raise each tile up, shortly after painting. Usually the tile is more porous and the paint dries faster. So wait until paint is mostly dry on the ceiling tile. Method two is not a sure thing and tile will stick, but not as much. Method one is a better method.
Just to expand and add a little bit of detail here - Acoustical ceiling tiles should never be painted with latex paint for this very reason. Latex paint also reduces the acoustical properties of the tile. Tile manufacturers recommend using a non-bridging paint, which prevents the tiles from sticking to the grid and maintains acoustical properties. ProCoustic Acoustical Tile & Ceiling Coating is the product that's professionally used for coating acoustic ceiling tiles and works really well. It comes in white, light tints and also in ultra flat black. The black isn't the blackest black on earth, but has good acoustical properties. I sprayed my 5cm thick Rockfon Sonar tiles in HT room with it. It costs about $40 per US gal and can easily cover 200sq ft. I am sure there are other similar non-bridging ceiling tile coatings in the market.

To allow my cellphone to take this picture with the right amount of exposure, I had to use Manual mode and ISO 800 and had to turn on the wall lights. The reflection off the ceiling and walls isn't as high as it seems in the picture. Nevertheless, I am investigating options of installing velvet on the side walls of the entire theater to reduce as much reflection as possible.

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OMG this video black is so black that black looks white next to it.. Oh gosh its like walking into a blackhole..



Going to do screen wall and 4 feet of the side walls and i might drop this in it and finish the whole room with it.. The wife and kids love it.. https://us.rosco.com/en/product/clear-acrylic-glazes



One of the sales rep told me to add some of this to the paint to keep it from scuffing..
I would be afraid a glaze would add some sheen which is what you are trying to eliminate. Might want to paint something first with that combo and put it next to your screen and see how much more light is reflected back than just the Rosco tv black paint by itself.

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Heres my black theatre.


I have to block off the windows completely yet and the velvet curtains covering the windows will be moved to the front (and sides obviously) of the screen.


Its actually a little too dark and I have to use a torch even with the lights on to see what I am doing if I want to change anything with the wiring etc. I am going to add some downlights to alleviate that problem.

Walls and ceiling are just normal black paint, normal black carpet and normal black velvet curtains - black enough for me





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I would be afraid a glaze would add some sheen which is what you are trying to eliminate. Might want to paint something first with that combo and put it next to your screen and see how much more light is reflected back than just the Rosco tv black paint by itself.

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I'm going to leave ceiling and the first 4 feet of the side walls just plain rosco.. But the rest of the room I'm going to add some of that stuff to the paint. The paint is just to delicate and I'm to picky to be cleaning the room daily..
The paint looks beautiful on when I got home the handy man had painted the ceiling and a wall and it blew my mind. The previous paint I had before looks light grey now. CRAZY

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I'm going to leave ceiling and the first 4 feet of the side walls just plain rosco.. But the rest of the room I'm going to add some of that stuff to the paint. The paint is just to delicate and I'm to picky to be cleaning the room daily..
The paint looks beautiful on when I got home the handy man had painted the ceiling and a wall and it blew my mind. The previous paint I had before looks light grey now. CRAZY

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I totally understand a balance with which you can live. Sounds like the most crucial areas will be the least reflective. Can't wait to see pictures of the finished project.

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I totally understand a balance with which you can live. Sounds like the most crucial areas will be the least reflective. Can't wait to see pictures of the finished project.

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I've never seen paint like this before so it really blew my mind.. I had bought a different tone paint to paint the rest of the room but it was the wife and kids who convinced me to go full rosco.. the last person that I thought would like it would be the wife but she loved it..


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I've never seen paint like this before so it really blew my mind.. I had bought a different tone paint to paint the rest of the room but it was the wife and kids who convinced me to go full rosco.. the last person that I thought would like it would be the wife but she loved it..


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A family so on the same page about the image quality...brings a tear to my eye. FULL ROSCO. That needs to become a term for anyone who paints the whole room in TV Black.

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