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Floor is gray carpet. Would have preferred a bit darker but already installed. So only option is area rug.

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@genaccmiller, quite a few others have gotten rugs to put down in front of their screen. To be honest, if you don;t notice any issues with carpet currently, then roll with ya got!
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I never got to post pics got a little busy with other stuff..

I found a way to get rid of scuffs and it works.. with a dry brush and no paint u can lightly brush any scuff away so no need to paint them over as it leaves a bigger mark.
The room looks small here but its 12 feet wide and 22 deep with high ceilings.. Screen is 125 inch diagonal with dolbi atmos and an rs 640.


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I never got to post pics got a little busy with other stuff..

I found a way to get rid of scuffs and it works.. with a dry brush and no paint u can lightly brush any scuff away so no need to paint them over as it leaves a bigger mark.
The room looks small here but its 12 feet wide and 22 deep with high ceilings.. Screen is 125 inch diagonal with dolbi atmos and an rs 640.


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Great tip - I'll have to try that.
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Great tip - I'll have to try that.
Forget touching up with paint it just leaves more marks.. I tried a damp towel and unless is almost dry then it also leaves a mark.. Best thing I found by far is the dry brush... Just brush them off lightly and they completely disappear..
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Forget touching up with paint it just leaves more marks.. I tried a damp towel and unless is almost dry then it also leaves a mark.. Best thing I found by far is the dry brush... Just brush them off lightly and they completely disappear..
I thought the acrylic you added was supposed to keep the scuff marks down to a minimum and make it much easier to get rid of them are you talkin about scuff marks even on the parts you use the acrylic on?

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Forget touching up with paint it just leaves more marks.. I tried a damp towel and unless is almost dry then it also leaves a mark.. Best thing I found by far is the dry brush... Just brush them off lightly and they completely disappear..
I'm slowly covering everything with black bass traps - they will act like scuff guards !
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I thought the acrylic you added was supposed to keep the scuff marks down to a minimum and make it much easier to get rid of them are you talkin about scuff marks even on the parts you use the acrylic on?

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Without the acrylic if you sneeze or blink you'll scuff the walls that's how bad it is.. The acrylic definitely does its job and I'm 100 percent happy i used it.. But its still flat and black so you will still get scuffs just less than without the acrylic... You will have to try both so you can see the difference yourself..
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Without the acrylic if you sneeze or blink you'll scuff the walls that's how bad it is.. The acrylic definitely does its job and I'm 100 percent happy i used it.. But its still flat and black so you will still get scuffs just less than without the acrylic... You will have to try both so you can see the difference yourself..
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Smart move I did i used satin for the back wall the two doors and bottom baseboards so i dont ever have to worry about those.. The rest was black video paint..
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For those of you who are worried about the flat black paints out there scuffing easily, there is a paint line called Fine Paints of Europe, that some Benjamin Moore stores carry. The guy at the store showed me a demonstration where he scuffed up a paint sample, and wiped it easily away with a lightly dampened cloth. I did my ceiling and back wall with the Flat Black. It's pricey ($90 for a European gallon - which is about 8/10 of a U.S. gallon), but well worth it if you have issues with scuffing.

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It's pricey ($90 for a European gallon - which is about 8/10 of a U.S. gallon), but well worth it if you have issues with scuffing.
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Other way round Len - US gallon is 8/10 of Imperial gallon
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Other way round Len - US gallon is 8/10 of Imperial gallon
The guy must have explained it wrong to me. All I know, is what I bought, is less than a gallon. He told me it's about 8/10th of a gallon.

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Finished up my theater, mounted my Epson 3800 and took some pics. I have not tweaked any settings on the Epson.
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Honestly, Home Depot really does not have many choices for solid black carpets. The few others we saw were like in the $3-6sqft range so that was like out of the budget. Besides, this actually looked better than the others so it was a win-win.

We went with the Temper-Pedic 7/16" pad.
I ordered this with .5" pad. Total comes out to about $1,000 for a 288sqrt room. Ordered in store last Fri, measurement on Sat, got quote and paid on Sat. Install will be 17th, in time for xmas.
I ordered sample of this and another more expensive black online as well and the pepper looks much better.
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I ordered this with .5" pad. Total comes out to about $1,000 for a 288sqrt room. Ordered in store last Fri, measurement on Sat, got quote and paid on Sat. Install will be 17th, in time for xmas.
I ordered sample of this and another more expensive black online as well and the pepper looks much better.
Yeah, for the low price this was a killer deal and carpet for an HT. Not sure you notice the subtle speckles but it does lend a lot to the look of it.

Your area was about the same as ours...256sqft for us since we had already done the riser ourself and we just had the stage area installed.
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Beginner just getting into the idea of treating my room a bit. I think what would work best in my room would be some pull-down blinds, ideally with black velvet ("triple black" velvet mentioned throughout this thread, not sure how important/where to source it). Doesn't have to be anything fancy, certainly doesn't have to be motorized. Rather spend as little as possible. Is there somewhere to buy these online? DIY more affordable/not difficult?


Also, any solution for the ceiling other than painting it? Any convenient way to use velvet to black out the ceiling nearest to the projector screen that would also be retractable? Like another blind mounted on the ceiling just above the projector screen that I could pull back toward the projector, blacking out the ceiling. Wouldn't give a professional look, I realize, but that's OK.
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Beginner just getting into the idea of treating my room a bit. I think what would work best in my room would be some pull-down blinds, ideally with black velvet ("triple black" velvet mentioned throughout this thread, not sure how important/where to source it). Doesn't have to be anything fancy, certainly doesn't have to be motorized. Rather spend as little as possible. Is there somewhere to buy these online? DIY more affordable/not difficult?


Also, any solution for the ceiling other than painting it? Any convenient way to use velvet to black out the ceiling nearest to the projector screen that would also be retractable? Like another blind mounted on the ceiling just above the projector screen that I could pull back toward the projector, blacking out the ceiling. Wouldn't give a professional look, I realize, but that's OK.


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Yes, it’s been done in this forum: you can install curtain rods on each side wall and hung a horizontal velvet curtain from one rod to the other. It can be pulled like any other curtain, or you can install a simple string system to make it move more smoothly; still manual.

About the velvet, yes, people prefer the triple black for maximum darkness, although rest assured just about any black velvet will make a tremendous difference from what you have now.


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Beginner just getting into the idea of treating my room a bit. I think what would work best in my room would be some pull-down blinds, ideally with black velvet ("triple black" velvet mentioned throughout this thread, not sure how important/where to source it). Doesn't have to be anything fancy, certainly doesn't have to be motorized. Rather spend as little as possible. Is there somewhere to buy these online? DIY more affordable/not difficult?


Also, any solution for the ceiling other than painting it? Any convenient way to use velvet to black out the ceiling nearest to the projector screen that would also be retractable? Like another blind mounted on the ceiling just above the projector screen that I could pull back toward the projector, blacking out the ceiling. Wouldn't give a professional look, I realize, but that's OK.
Get the triple velvet black from sy fabrics if you can. I purchased mine from them. See pic below. Screen surrounded by thin triple black velvet on top and bottom and triple black velvet top and bottom panels and side spandex panels.
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Thanks for the advice folks. I guess what I had in mind is something more like a roll-up blind, similar in operation to a pull-down projector screen, actually. Something like this, except black velvet obviously. Is this doable? Vertically hanging curtains, even when pulled back, would look strange on the wall (I know, roll-up blinds will look a little odd too, but a cleaner look when retracted).
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Thanks for the advice folks. I guess what I had in mind is something more like a roll-up blind, similar in operation to a pull-down projector screen, actually. Something like this, except black velvet obviously. Is this doable? Vertically hanging curtains, even when pulled back, would look strange on the wall (I know, roll-up blinds will look a little odd too, but a cleaner look when retracted).


In order to do such a thing to cover the ceiling you would need some kind of structure that would be attached either to the ceiling or the sides (or both). I know you want to have tidy velvet rolls along the ceiling edges and then open them up at will, but roller systems for blinds usually work better vertically. Also, with the curtain tunnel system I suggested you can open and close it all at the same time.

What I'm trying to say is this: suppose you have a white living room and you want to keep the velvet as unobtrusive as possible. All you have to do is install the velvet curtain tunnel on white lateral rods. As long as the rods are on the outer side of the tunnel, all that will be visible once pulled back is a thick "frame" of velvet around the screen. The rest of the room will stay white. People usually find the visual effect of retracted curtains very natural and pleasing. The only way to make it tidier using the roller system you want, is if you cover part of the velvet's backside with white fabric, so that it will look white once rolled up. It's a lot of work and makes the whole thing heavier, although you can do just the last visible portion.

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Here's a picture of my space. That's a 120" drop-down screen.



I'm thinking roll-up blinds on the left and right wall, mounted on the wall just a little bit below the ceiling. For covering the ceiling itself, I'm not sure what you mean when you're describing the white lateral rods system. Maybe you can describe it differently now that you see a picture of my space. Thanks for your patience with me here, and sorry - this is a living room setup and it obviously pales in comparison to most of what's going on in this thread (and it's a work in progress; yes, that's an Anthony Gallo center channel sitting on a dang cardboard box...)
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Thanks for the advice folks. I guess what I had in mind is something more like a roll-up blind, similar in operation to a pull-down projector screen, actually. Something like this, except black velvet obviously. Is this doable? Vertically hanging curtains, even when pulled back, would look strange on the wall (I know, roll-up blinds will look a little odd too, but a cleaner look when retracted).

Sounds like you need interior motorized roller shades. They have battery powered versions that are not too expensive (in my opinion).


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Here's a picture of my space. That's a 120" drop-down screen.



I'm thinking roll-up blinds on the left and right wall, mounted on the wall just a little bit below the ceiling. For covering the ceiling itself, I'm not sure what you mean when you're describing the white lateral rods system. Maybe you can describe it differently now that you see a picture of my space. Thanks for your patience with me here, and sorry - this is a living room setup and it obviously pales in comparison to most of what's going on in this thread (and it's a work in progress; yes, that's an Anthony Gallo center channel sitting on a dang cardboard box...)
Here's 2 images using your photo. Photo 1 shows a tunnel made of velvet which can be installed on 2 lateral rods. Those rods would be on the outer side of the tunnel, so that their colour can match the ceiling/walls and be less obtrusive when the velvet is pulled back (photo 2). The problem is that you'll need to lower the screen a bit, because the velvet on the ceiling will sag a bit (although there are ways to minimize this). This system is cheaper and easier to install than the roller blinds you mentioned, and it's also more effective in creating a black room. Furthermore, it's not that easy to find the ideal length for the roller blinds, while curtains can adapt to just about any length.

In your situation, I would consider rearranging the whole room, rethink the placement of the sofas, place those speakers further apart, maybe, to lower the screen just a bit, I mean, find the ideal compromise between living room and theater room.
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See @Javs ' solution further back in this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56726558


@Northern_Lights : Quoting myself above from the last time someone asked about removeable ceiling blackout.


If you are looking to hide things you would have to consider columns and/or soffits, which would unfortunately conflict with your existing trim work. If you don't mind moving/covering/replacing trim, a column at each front corner could provide space for retracting curtains or a soffit could house roller blinds.
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So I kind of stopped early!! My
Projector is not even in the wall yet and have some more finishing touches but I need to start enjoying since time is so limited
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Here's 2 images using your photo. Photo 1 shows a tunnel made of velvet which can be installed on 2 lateral rods. Those rods would be on the outer side of the tunnel, so that their colour can match the ceiling/walls and be less obtrusive when the velvet is pulled back (photo 2). The problem is that you'll need to lower the screen a bit, because the velvet on the ceiling will sag a bit (although there are ways to minimize this). This system is cheaper and easier to install than the roller blinds you mentioned, and it's also more effective in creating a black room. Furthermore, it's not that easy to find the ideal length for the roller blinds, while curtains can adapt to just about any length.

In your situation, I would consider rearranging the whole room, rethink the placement of the sofas, place those speakers further apart, maybe, to lower the screen just a bit, I mean, find the ideal compromise between living room and theater room.

I believe that this would be the perfect solution to my theater's issues. My ceiling is 124" across and I would like the curtains to go 94" vertically and 116" horizontally. from what I can gather 2 traverse rods are needed but I am unsure about the how to attach the velvet to the rods and if you had to do any prep to the material before attaching ie (adding hooks to the velvet or are the clips from the rod the only thing the velvet attaches to.)
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I believe that this would be the perfect solution to my theater's issues. My ceiling is 124" across and I would like the curtains to go 94" vertically and 116" horizontally. from what I can gather 2 traverse rods are needed but I am unsure about the how to attach the velvet to the rods and if you had to do any prep to the material before attaching ie (adding hooks to the velvet or are the clips from the rod the only thing the velvet attaches to.)


From what I can see in your photos, you need to do it really tight on the sides. How much space do you have on each side of the screen?

I’ve never done this myself, but I would try to have a single piece of velvet covering both sides and ceiling, which means its length would start on the floor of one side and end on the floor of the of the other side. For this I would sew fabric loops to use as hangers from the backside, one for each 30cm or so, and this way have the rods on the outer side of the velvet. Careful measurements would be made to make sure here would be just a little bit of slack - because velvet doesn’t stretch - taking also in consideration that the fabric loops may already provide some slack. Rings can also be used instead of fabric loops, but then make sure they are not ripping through the velvet.

For the assembly, I would get the velvet on the rods with the rods on the floor and then lift and install one rod at a time. This is also a good way to judge where to sew the loops. 2 people is recommended. Rods and wall should be sturdy, as well as the supports and screws. You might not need to do the whole length of the room and, if it’s very long, better do one part for the front half of t he room and another one for the back, then it can be closed at the middle. Suppose you install a curtain to close the room at half distance, then you won’t need to do the whole ceiling.

Finally, placing the velvet in the direction I suggested may not result in the ideal direction of light reflection. Velvet is usually oriented so that the viewers will only see black. And, when using several pieces of velvet, all pieces should have the same orientation so that all reflect the same shade. Anyway, regardless of which orientation you end up using, it will be very dark. It’s just that most people prefer to have the screen surrounded by “total” darkness.


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I never had any issues with the orientation or direction of TBV, that said I may not be as picky as some others.

Though, I don't have a lot of light in my room that would cause me to notice, just an annoying ceiling fan which I've been debating on removing, but then when it gets hot I sometimes use it, and putting a regular fan in the room would be even a bigger eye sore. Of course I have an AC, but where I live it can get to 100+, even 110+ on rarer occassions, and when it gets to about 103 outside, there is no keeping the HT room below 75, the AC cannot keep up.

My biggest eye sore is the fact I didn't finish the entire ceiling, not sure if I ever will since my ceiling is still covered in black (just not black velvet). Last time when doing the ceiling I injured myself, simply repetitive stress injury from climbing the step ladder too much. It takes a lot of work doing the ceiling, especially when your out of shape and getting old
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I never had any issues with the orientation or direction of TBV, that said I may not be as picky as some others.

Though, I don't have a lot of light in my room that would cause me to notice, just an annoying ceiling fan which I've been debating on removing, but then when it gets hot I sometimes use it, and putting a regular fan in the room would be even a bigger eye sore. Of course I have an AC, but where I live it can get to 100+, even 110+ on rarer occassions, and when it gets to about 103 outside, there is no keeping the HT room below 75, the AC cannot keep up.

My biggest eye sore is the fact I didn't finish the entire ceiling, not sure if I ever will since my ceiling is still covered in black (just not black velvet). Last time when doing the ceiling I injured myself, simply repetitive stress injury from climbing the step ladder too much. It takes a lot of work doing the ceiling, especially when your out of shape and getting old
You don't say where you live but assuming it might be Australia ???

Have you thought about adding a HVAC Split-Unit in the actual H/T ???
If you have the space they are very-very efficient and believe me they are easily capable of cooling even outside temperatures of around 100-Degrees.
In our summers it can easily get to the high 90's and sometimes they do reach 100-degrees and on top of that with High-Humidity !!!

I think you have seen pictures of the one I have in my H/T already so no sense in me reposting them.

Maybe something to consider buddy,
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