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Those pictures are from this weekend, so you can see I don't have a projector or screen mounted...it's hard for me to comment on room performance without those items.
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Your screen to wall ratio is small....so wont make a big difference my screen covers my entire wall so the side walls floor ceiling reflection is alot
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Your screen to wall ratio is small....so wont make a big difference my screen covers my entire wall so the side walls floor ceiling reflection is alot
What size of screen are you using?
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Those pictures are from this weekend, so you can see I don't have a projector or screen mounted...it's hard for me to comment on room performance without those items.
A lamp and hand puppets on the wall.
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That is cheap. It's $6.65 right now with the clippable 50% off. Could tack that up on the ceiling.

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135 inch you?

125" Diagonal 2.35:1 Scope screen
Image Dimensions: 115" x 49"
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THAT looks like a post I would have made!!!!
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You think microvelvet 5000 which is polyestor will absorb light as much as triple velvet from syfabrics?
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You think microvelvet 5000 which is polyestor will absorb light as much as triple velvet from syfabrics?
Have you tried a sample of both? I don't recall hearing about micro velvet 5000. Polyester you would think doesn't work as well but maybe try it out.
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I did small piece is triple velvet
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So I've been trying to research this as I'm at the step in my home theater build where I want to attach velvet/make room treatments. I read most of this thread and looked elsewhere but I still don't understand, is there basically a compromise that has to be made between making sound absorption treatments and making the room as dark as possible? I already ordered a 30 yard bolt of triple black velvet from syfabrics. I am planning to put a black rug down on top of the laminate in my room, but I can't simply put acoustic panels on my drywall on the side/front/ceiling and then cover them in velvet right? The velvet will block some of the absorption? So is the only optimal thing to do is to cover the walls with velvet, then just deal with the panels by nature being less dark? If that's the case, what's the darkest ready made panel? I'm not very diy handy so I'd rather just purchase them if possible. Also, if I staple the velvet I bought to the drywall, will that be adequate or will there possibly be mold?
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So is the only optimal thing to do is to cover the walls with velvet, then just deal with the panels by nature being less dark? If that's the case, what's the darkest ready made panel? I'm not very diy handy so I'd rather just purchase them if possible. Also, if I staple the velvet I bought to the drywall, will that be adequate or will there possibly be mold?
Frankly, you can cover the panels in velvet and it will still sound better than without, but if you want a more ideal solution you have to pay 3-4 times the price for acoustically transparent velvet, only available for import:

https://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/...-black-devore/

If you can staple velvet on a wall you can staple it on a diy panel.
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Frankly, you can cover the panels in velvet and it will still sound better than without, but if you want a more ideal solution you have to pay 3-4 times the price for acoustically transparent velvet, only available for import:

https://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/...-black-devore/

If you can staple velvet on a wall you can staple it on a diy panel.
Velvet is fine. You do not need acoustically transparent fabric for Absorption Panels. You need that when covering speakers. Velvet will absorb really high frequencies before the sound is absorbed by the Fiberglass Panel. With Acoustically Transparent Fabric, it won't, but will once it hits the Panel. So it's a wash. You just don't want to use fabric that is reflective. Velvet is just fine. I use it in my room. No difference than when I originally had Acoustically Transparent fabric covering them.
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It looks really cool, black panels make image more clear.
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Anyone have experience with the triple black velvet being sold on Amazon right now by seller luvfabrics? The other option is FABRIC BRAVO but their approval rating on Amazon is only 82%.



Considering both of these as well as SyFabrics (more expensive but the most proven, it seems) as well as ifabric.com.

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Anyone have experience with the triple black velvet being sold on Amazon right now by seller luvfabrics? The other option is FABRIC BRAVO but their approval rating on Amazon is only 82%.



Considering both of these as well as SyFabrics (more expensive but the most proven, it seems) as well as ifabric.com.
Fabric Bravo is the one you want from Amazon. I as well as many others here have bought from them with great success.
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Ditto to what @Hawks07 said. Works great in my room.
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If you go back to the quote I linked above you'll see before and after photos of the room. All the paint is from Benjamin Moore. The front wall uses their Century paint which is high end and matte finish in black. All other walls are gray BM regal paint. The doors and baseboard uses Scuff X in black. The ceiling is painted with BM Waterbourne in flat black. I have not incorporated black velvet yet, as I did in the previous HT/Home. At this point, I don't plan on it. When we do the full build out in 12-24 months, the room will incorporate black fabric panels on all the walls and a front false wall.

This iteration of the theater is all DIY, so the LCR speakers will stand in front of the screen wall (vs behind a false wall). The side speakers will in in-wall with black grills. All acoustic panels will be in black and mounted on the walls/corners/ceiling vs the build out will have acoustic treatments behind the black fabric panels.
When you get to your full build out, with your previous water issues, are you going to address those?

I don't know the dimensions of your basement, but I had similar issues. I had water once from a sump pump issue (which I address), but then I had it a second time as seepage. And unless you address that issue, it will never get better on its own, only worse.

While it wasn't cheap, I ended up trenching my basement 4 years ago. Best money I spent on my house. I've not had a drop of water since. I don't worry about my HT stuff any longer.

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When you get to your full build out, with your previous water issues, are you going to address those?

I don't know the dimensions of your basement, but I had similar issues. I had water once from a sump pump issue (which I address), but then I had it a second time as seepage. And unless you address that issue, it will never get better on its own, only worse.

While it wasn't cheap, I ended up trenching my basement 4 years ago. Best money I spent on my house. I've not had a drop of water since. I don't worry about my HT stuff any longer.
That maybe the next step we take. Here's what we did:

Six inch gutters and larger down spouts
Gutter covers (not mesh, but actually covers-no issues with leaves during fall of the covers)
French drains at least 15ft from the house
Regrading the entire back yard (biggest diff)
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trenched along the back of the house where the real issues were happening
Pond lined landscaping around the house with river rock vs mulch for ground cover with shrubbery.

For the theater side, we had two places where water was trickling in. This issue was a result of gutters being full of leaves and water over flowing to those two points at the two corners in the front of the house. We hadn't moved into the house but had ownership...so once I cleaned the gutters we haven't had any issues (we expanded those gutters, french drains, gutter covers and pond lined landscaping along the front of the house any way).

But, as you can see in the area where the trickles happened, instead of carpet, I covered the floors in black epoxy. For comfort, design and acoustical concerns; I have area rugs over the epoxy floors. If the same issue arose on that side, I'd be dealing with drying out the area rug(s) and cleaning the epoxy floor. Additionally, we use PVC baseboards too.

My reason for saying a build out in a year or more is we want to have at least two seasons under our belt before we invest in the build out. That being said, you maybe right and we add the cost of trenching around the entire house or at least the front side.
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Anyone have experience with the triple black velvet being sold on Amazon right now by seller luvfabrics? The other option is FABRIC BRAVO but their approval rating on Amazon is only 82%.



Considering both of these as well as SyFabrics (more expensive but the most proven, it seems) as well as ifabric.com.
I used the one from luvfabrics. I'm VERY happy with it. The reviews are great too. Is this the one from Fabric Bravo?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759QS16T..._x92HEbQK67PB1

I'm not seeing any reviews that talk about using it for their movie room. The one from luvfabrics has a ton of reviews about using it for a movie room.

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I used the one from luvfabrics. I'm VERY happy with it. The reviews are great too. Is this the one from Fabric Bravo?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759QS16T..._x92HEbQK67PB1

I'm not seeing any reviews that talk about using it for their movie room. The one from luvfabrics has a ton of reviews about using it for a movie room.

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Based on the responses from the other posters, I bought the one from Fabric Bravo. I looked at some of their recent negative reviews; most involved shipping times and were crossed out by Amazon saying that the problem was not the fault of the seller. Those reviews are for all the fabrics they sell though, so here's hoping that I get what I'm expecting.

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Based on the responses from the other posters, I bought the one from Fabric Bravo. I looked at some of their recent negative reviews; most involved shipping times and were crossed out by Amazon saying that the problem was not the fault of the seller. Those reviews are for all the fabrics they sell though, so here's hoping that I get what I'm expecting.
Did you order the velvet that is in the link I provided? It just says black velvet, not triple black velvet. Good luck though!

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Anyone have experience with the triple black velvet being sold on Amazon right now by seller luvfabrics? The other option is FABRIC BRAVO but their approval rating on Amazon is only 82%.



Considering both of these as well as SyFabrics (more expensive but the most proven, it seems) as well as ifabric.com.
Fabric Bravo. Sometimes they don't ship when they say they should which is the reason for the 82 but the velvet is triple black at a great price.

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Did you order the velvet that is in the link I provided? It just says black velvet, not triple black velvet. Good luck though!

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Nope, bought it at this link https://www.amazon.com/Black-Triple-...6065516&sr=8-1

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The velvet on the walls is from Joann Fabric https://www.joann.com/royalty-3-velv...velvet&start=1. For reference the corner bass traps are painted with Rosco video paint. The velvet around the screen is Infinite black (Seymour)
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The velvet on the walls is from Joann Fabric https://www.joann.com/royalty-3-velv...velvet&start=1. For reference the corner bass traps are painted with Rosco video paint.
Great work! What screen do you have? Are those manual or motorized masking panels?

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I changed the seller to Fabric Bravo.
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