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Wow, some real Epson devotees. I guess you guys aren't doing 2.35:1 setups with the crappy Epson vertical/horizontal lens shift controllers which have been complained about on and on on both the 5010/6010 and 5020/6020, they are CRAP and it's unbelievable they weren't fixed on the 5020/6020, one affects the other, they are wobbly, awful. The lack of powered focus/zoom and lens memory considering the competition has it also is surprising.
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Wow, some real Epson devotees. I guess you guys aren't doing 2.35:1 setups with the crappy Epson vertical/horizontal lens shift controllers which have been complained about on and on on both the 5010/6010 and 5020/6020, they are CRAP and it's unbelievable they weren't fixed on the 5020/6020, one affects the other, they are wobbly, awful. The lack of powered focus/zoom and lens memory considering the competition has it also is surprising.

 

I guess you'll find brand devotees in any thread aimed at owner's of the equipment the thread is dedicated to ;)

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I guess you'll find brand devotees in any thread aimed at owner's of the equipment the thread is dedicated to wink.gif

I'm an owner too and overall like the projector but the sloppy/crappy vertical/horizontal lens shift controls in first and second gen of this projector and lack of evolving to powered zoom/focus/lens memory for a 3rd generation of this projector I'm quite surprised about... I would imagine more and more people are going to 2.35:1 setups for projectors so this is important. Being able to watch 16:9 and 2.35:1 images with a nice black border around all four edges rocks.
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I guess you'll find brand devotees in any thread aimed at owner's of the equipment the thread is dedicated to wink.gif

I'm an owner too and overall like the projector but the sloppy/crappy vertical/horizontal lens shift controls in first and second gen of this projector and lack of evolving to powered zoom/focus/lens memory for a 3rd generation of this projector I'm quite surprised about... I would imagine more and more people are going to 2.35:1 setups for projectors so this is important. Being able to watch 16:9 and 2.35:1 images with a nice black border around all four edges rocks.

 

I agree - but the PJs that offer these features do so at a price. Manual lens shift, focus and zoom, for many people, are things they set once and forget. And they have no impact on the PQ (assuming they are set correctly). I mean, I'd rather see money going into things like better optics etc where there is a real PQ difference to be had.  But yes, if I had a CIH screen I too would want automated zoom and focus and a few different memory locations too. Horses for courses I guess. 

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I got a bad feeling the difference between 5020 and 5030 is going to be small in PQ. eek.gif

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Wow, some real Epson devotees. I guess you guys aren't doing 2.35:1 setups with the crappy Epson vertical/horizontal lens shift controllers which have been complained about on and on on both the 5010/6010 and 5020/6020, they are CRAP and it's unbelievable they weren't fixed on the 5020/6020, one affects the other, they are wobbly, awful. The lack of powered focus/zoom and lens memory considering the competition has it also is surprising.
Yes, you are correct. I have a 2.35:1 screen, but I use an anamorphic lens (ISCO 3) and a Lumagen Mini3D to do the anamorphic stretch. If I could sell the Lumagen (because the 5030 will now do the stretch) and keep my ISCO I would be more than happy. I would never use the zoom in - zoom out method even with memory because I just would not trust it enough to feel confident that constantly changing focus and alignment would be as precise as a single one time meticulous setup would be. I am not an Epson fanboy - I just call things the way I see them, and so far Epson has not given me any reason to complain, but I can fully understand YOUR complaint.

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I got a bad feeling the difference between 5020 and 5030 is going to be small in PQ. eek.gif

I would think so, LCD hasn't changed much since the Epson 8700ub. It's gotten brighter and now has 3d...

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Thanks coderguy, I'm using an Epson 8700ub in my room and think I'll wait awhile before I upgrade.

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I got a bad feeling the difference between 5020 and 5030 is going to be small in PQ. eek.gif

 

The huge increase in claimed contrast ratios might make for better black levels. The improved lcd panels might have an impact. And they say the lens is a superior version Fujinon to the outgoing models. The UK Epson Rep also said he was impressed by the increased sharpness of the image. But until these things are out there in the wild, we are just speculating of course. Not long to wait now.

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So I'm planning on upgrading my Panasonic PTAE4000U and I'm trying to decide if Epson is the way to go. I don't have a CIH home theater so the power zoom is of no concern. I love how accurate the color from the Panny is but I HATE HATE the dust blob issues that have plagued my Panny projectors (I've had 4). Anyone else on the forum switch from Panny to Epson? And how is the dust blob issue with the Epsons? I have no problem taking the PJ apart if there's any easy way to clean them. Oh and I'd like to go 3D so the 5020/5030 is what I'm looking to upgrade to.

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So I'm planning on upgrading my Panasonic PTAE4000U and I'm trying to decide if Epson is the way to go. I don't have a CIH home theater so the power zoom is of no concern. I love how accurate the color from the Panny is but I HATE HATE the dust blob issues that have plagued my Panny projectors (I've had 4). Anyone else on the forum switch from Panny to Epson? And how is the dust blob issue with the Epsons? I have no problem taking the PJ apart if there's any easy way to clean them. Oh and I'd like to go 3D so the 5020/5030 is what I'm looking to upgrade to.

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I had a 720p Panasonic that had problems right after the warranty expired. I then bought an epson 8500ub that I've had since, and have really liked it, and the service especially from Epson more so than the Panny. Now I'm in the market once again and looking at the 5020/5030. Sure would be nice to do a side-by-side comparison. I could certainly post my thoughts if/when I decide to purchase new. Can't even really sell my 8500 unfortunately because hdmi 1 no longer works after a lightning storm. I'm sure it would be a significant upgrade from 8500 -> 5030 or so I would hope.
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good.barnes701, looking forward to your review of the new 5030.thank you BR

 

I spoke to my dealer today, but the news is still the same: "early November". Not too long to wait I guess - it just seems like it :)

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As I said earlier, if they have improved the black levels still further, they will have a winner in their hands anyway.thanks8.gif
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Official pricing is up at Epson's website. 2599 for the 5030. WOW. Same as last year. Too cool.

http://news.epson.com/news/epson-unveils-expanded-line-of-elite-2d-and-3d-full-hd-1080p-home-theater-projectors
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Official pricing is up at Epson's website. 2599 for the 5030. WOW. Same as last year. Too cool.

http://news.epson.com/news/epson-unveils-expanded-line-of-elite-2d-and-3d-full-hd-1080p-home-theater-projectors

It's the same price as last year because it's the same projector (or very close) wink.gif
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Oh I know. But it's nice not to see the price creep up.cool.gif
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Official pricing is up at Epson's website. 2599 for the 5030. WOW. Same as last year. Too cool.

http://news.epson.com/news/epson-unveils-expanded-line-of-elite-2d-and-3d-full-hd-1080p-home-theater-projectors

It's the same price as last year because it's the same projector (or very close) wink.gif

 

I think there are significant differences - the 600,000:1 CR, the improved lens etc...

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I think there are significant differences - the 600,000:1 CR, the improved lens etc...

That's dynamic CR though. 320,000:1 to 600,000:1 is a 50% increase in CR. That's just not plausible in my book. That's 60 fL on a 100 IRE all white screen, and .0001 fL on a 0 IRE all black screen. But the native CR, small white spot right beside a small black spot would be much higher due to the nature of the LCD panels. I sure wish Epson would've released their reflective LCD tech in a production pj this year. Then the native CR would've been much better according to some information I've read. Not sure what the trade offs would be though...

Not saying this isn't going to be an excellent pj, just saying that if you already have the 5020/6020, it probably wont be worth upgrading to the 5030/6030 unless you just have that $$$ burning a hole in your pocket. tongue.gif

For me, I don't have a pj yet. But I will this year. Either the Epson 5030/6030 or Sony HW55ES. What terrible decisions I have in life right now. biggrin.gif

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That's dynamic CR though. 320,000:1 to 600,000:1 is a 50% increase in CR. That's just not plausible in my book. That's 60 fL on a 100 IRE all white screen, and .0001 fL on a 0 IRE all black screen. But the native CR, small white spot right beside a small black spot would be much higher due to the nature of the LCD panels. I sure wish Epson would've released their reflective LCD tech in a production pj this year. Then the native CR would've been much better according to some information I've read. Not sure what the trade offs would be though...

Not saying this isn't going to be an excellent pj, just saying that if you already have the 5020/6020, it probably wont be worth upgrading to the 5030/6030 unless you just have that $$$ burning a hole in your pocket. tongue.gif

For me, I don't have a pj yet. But I will this year. Either the Epson 5020/6020 or Sony HW55ES. What terrible decisions I have in life right now. biggrin.gif

I'm with you there, and I'm glad to have an older projector to finally replace. It's starting to look like the Epson and Sony products this cycle are minor improvements, though Epson is apparently using a new lens and Sony is not (if the rumors are to be believed). Not that it matters much, considering the drastic differences in technology (and probably $1000), but I might have to sit back and wait for both to be reviewed and compared before making a choice. And I sure hate waiting biggrin.gif

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I'm with you there, and I'm glad to have an older projector to finally replace. It's starting to look like the Epson and Sony products this cycle are minor improvements, though Epson is apparently using a new lens and Sony is not (if the rumors are to be believed). Not that it matters much, considering the drastic differences in technology (and probably $1000), but I might have to sit back and wait for both to be reviewed and compared before making a choice. And I sure hate waiting biggrin.gif

I know. My home will be complete in December so I have to make a decision by then. I'm sure either one would be an excellent choice though. I have a feeling the PQ gap between the two will be even smaller than it was last year. Features and options will probably be more of a selling point between picking one or the other versus PQ.

CEDIA is in full effect though, so we shall know soon enough which one fits our individuals needs best. We just all have to remember that neither will be entirely better than the other. Just pick which one suits your needs and environment the best and buy it already. Or here's a thought...buy one for 3D, one for 2D, and one for gaming just to be sure to cover all the bases with the best of the best. cool.gif

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No price creep? I just returned a Panny PT-AE8000U due to some color uniformity issue. The new 5030 for this price is worth the wait and looks like coming soon:
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No price creep? I just returned a Panny PT-AE8000U due to some color uniformity issue. The new 5030 for this price is worth the wait and looks like coming soon:

My Panny 4000 and 2000 had uniformity issues as well. They all tend to.
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I'm also in search for my first projector, and very interested in the 5030.

But I will use it 50% for anime and movies and 50 % for Gaming. In this aspect, the previous 5020 didn't have a very good input lag

Before the official unveiling, it was rumored that the 5030 would have a dedicated game mode.
But now it's not mentioned anyware, even in the official press release.

So, my big question is: Will the 5030 have a game mode, or not??
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I'm also in search for my first projector, and very interested in the 5030.

But I will use it 50% for anime and movies and 50 % for Gaming. In this aspect, the previous 5020 didn't have a very good input lag

Before the official unveiling, it was rumored that the 5030 would have a dedicated game mode.
But now it's not mentioned anyware, even in the official press release.

So, my big question is: Will the 5030 have a game mode, or not??

This is the question I need answered most as well. If there is no dedicated game mode, it looks like it will be the Sony HW55ES for me (which I'm sure will be an amazing pj as well). If the Epson does have a game mode, then I will have to wait for hands on evaluations of both pj's before making my final purchasing decision.

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Does anyone know if the sloppy vertical/horizontal lens shift controls of the 5010/6010/5020/6020 have been fixed in the 5030/6030? For those of us with CIH 2.35:1 setups who switch between 16:9 and 2.35:1 this is important because the old controls are junk
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Does anyone know when these will start shipping from the Epson CA distributor?

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Evan Powell apparently has seen the new Epsons in action and had this to say: "Having had the opportunity to preview all of these models, I can say two things: First, this new line of premium home theater units produce an elegant, seamless, high dynamic range image that videophiles will marvel at--this is clearly the finest video quality ever to come from Epson home theater projectors." He then talked about Epson's new light cannons. He seems to think Epson has made noticeable improvements to the 5030 and 6030 projectors. It will be interesting to learn whether new owners here at AVS agree.
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Evan Powell apparently has seen the new Epsons in action and had this to say: "Having had the opportunity to preview all of these models, I can say two things: First, this new line of premium home theater units produce an elegant, seamless, high dynamic range image that videophiles will marvel at--this is clearly the finest video quality ever to come from Epson home theater projectors." He then talked about Epson's new light cannons. He seems to think Epson has made noticeable improvements to the 5030 and 6030 projectors. It will be interesting to learn whether new owners here at AVS agree.

 

Very encouraging... let's hope we all agree with him...

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Just ordered the 5030 from Best Buy for $2499 ($100 less than the 5020).  They said it should be in in 2 weeks.  Can't wait!

 

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