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Re screens, yes it seems like the StudioTek 1.3 was a popular screen for Sony and JVC. I went by the Dalite booth and saw that they now have a 1.3 version of their 'HD Performance' line, which seems to be the same as the JPK Infinity. (Can someone correct me on this?)

With my size screen, though, I'm afraid a 1.3 gain is not enough even with the Sony1000. Thus I will probably stay with the HP2.4 until I ultimately move to a smaller living situation.
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Do you know how big that screen was by chance Kris? They did not know the exact size when I asked, but told me it was a ST130.

I think it was the same booth as last year. Check out last year'.s thread and its in there. I think it was 12 feet but I don't remember for sure. 13ft verified by Mike G.
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Since this is the official thread, it means people actually own one? how does it look? what set up do you have? where did you get it from?
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No. That would be a different thread called the OFFICIAL SONY VPL-VW500/600ES OWNERS' thread. That doesn't exist yet since the projector is not available for ownership yet. I hope this lucid explanation helps. smile.gif
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The Sony was shot onto a 179" diagonal 16:9 Stewart ST130screen. Nice and bright, very sharp. Motion looked good. Motion was one of the things I was looking closely at. Loved the image. Contrast and black levels also loved very good. Really looking forward to owner's comments, once this projector hits the streets. Craig and I viewed the Sony several times.
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I knew someone would start this thread before the first person had it. Disappointing for the first person to actually own one.
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Blee. Its OK. The word OWNER does not appear in the title. So there has been no preemption. And if someone illegitimately starts an owners' thread labeled official, you could start a truly official one labeled the official official owners' thread.
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Blee. Its OK. The word OWNER does not appear in the title. So there has been no preemption. And if someone illegitimately starts an owners' thread labeled official, you could start a truly official one labeled the official official owners' thread.

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I think it was the same booth as last year. Check out last year'.s thread and its in there. I think it was 12 feet but I don't remember for sure. 13ft verified by Mike G.
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The Sony was shot onto a 179" diagonal 16:9 Stewart ST130screen. Nice and bright, very sharp. Motion looked good. Motion was one of the things I was looking closely at. Loved the image. Contrast and black levels also loved very good. Really looking forward to owner's comments, once this projector hits the streets. Craig and I viewed the Sony several times.


Thanks Mike/Mark, I was very curious about this. 13' wide 1.3 screen and it looked that sharp, bright and punchy........ cool.gif I loved the image as well.
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The Sony was shot onto a 179" diagonal 16:9 Stewart ST130screen. Nice and bright, very sharp. Motion looked good. Motion was one of the things I was looking closely at. Loved the image. Contrast and black levels also loved very good. Really looking forward to owner's comments, once this projector hits the streets. Craig and I viewed the Sony several times.

Mike, I calculate that a screen of that size has an area of 95 sq ft. So if the Sony600 were putting out 1500 lumens (probably a stretch, if accurately calibrated), this 1.3 gain screen would produce ~ 20 ftL. This would be be nice and bright, but we know that the lamp won't continue at this level very long. I would like to think about replacing my HP screen with one of the high quality 1.3 gain screens (Stewart or Dalite), but I do worry about brightness. (When zoomed for 2.35, my projected area is 81 sqft, and about 68 sqft for 16x9).
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I had a huge improvement in image quality by going from the stewart 130 to the stewart 100. Given your large size screen, I would consider the Da-lite JKP Affinity with a 1.1 gain. When the time comes, you can get samples of all three and make your detailed inspection of the sharpness and brightness available with those screens at 4K.
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Mike, I calculate that a screen of that size has an area of 95 sq ft. So if the Sony600 were putting out 1500 lumens (probably a stretch, if accurately calibrated), this 1.3 gain screen would produce ~ 20 ftL. This would be be nice and bright, but we know that the lamp won't continue at this level very long. I would like to think about replacing my HP screen with one of the high quality 1.3 gain screens (Stewart or Dalite), but I do worry about brightness. (When zoomed for 2.35, my projected area is 81 sqft, and about 68 sqft for 16x9).

I wonder why you'd want to move from the HP to something like the Stewart ST-130 (1.3 gain).

The HP is a superbly smooth screen material and if viewer position isn't a problem in your room (e.g. not too off-axis) then I'd think it's hard to beat. The ST-130 is great but isn't perfect either, as it has a little bit of sheen as well. But of course it has wider viewing angles. I had the HP and for my purposes and the projector I had it was a bit too bright and I couldn't deal with the lack of uniformity over a wider seating area. I also had the Carada BW material which was excellent too. The ST-130
did strike me as the most "refined" of the screen materials for some reason, but probably because it was the best at hitting all my criteria (wide viewing angles, a bit of gain for some brightness, but very little visible screen texture).

If you have a really dark room maybe the ST-100 would be a real move to a more refined screen, at least in terms of viewing angle/texture. But I'm guessing it's not enough gain.

Marks darn comments keep me interested in the ST100 material. If it weren't such a massive paini in the ass in my set up to swap screen materials I'd probably try it out.
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Rich, Mark: Yes, I know that Mark swears by the Stewart 100, but I agree that 1.0 gain is a no go for me. And yes, my projector and viewing location are perfect for the HP, and I too have always been very impressed with how smooth the pic is, with no hotspotting, etc. I don't see any defects with the HP, but of course there is always the possibility that there is something better than I might notice. (I did see Mark's screen at his house, and it of course looked very nice; but without seeing it side by side with an HP, I cannot say that it was better.)

I did find it interesting that so many of the JVC and Sony 4K demos at CEDIA used the Stewart 1.3 gain screen and not the 1.0 screen; maybe they wanted the extra brightness. And I did see that Dalite has just released a 1.3 gain screen in their 'HD Progressive' line, which seems to be what they are now calling the JPK Affinity. So motivated by Mark's enthusiasm, I was thinking of whether going to at least a 1.3 gain (Stewart or Dalite) would be feasible; I am getting some Dalite sample pieces to give it a look. (I would really like to stay with Dalite because I like their DaSnap frame so much; it makes it so easy to slip in styrofoam masking panels that I cover with ProtoStar material.)
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Thanks for the info of JKP Affinity being available in 1.3 gain. A shoot out between Studeotec 130 and that would be very interesting.
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Call me next week. Looking like this is going to be my next projector. smile.gif
Anybody near me that wants to come see it, let me know.

Mike,

I definitely want to see the Sony before I decide on which projector to buy so I will be in contact with you to come see it.

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Thanks for the info of JKP Affinity being available in 1.3 gain. A shoot out between Studeotec 130 and that would be very interesting.

I'll bet they are very comparable.
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Mike,

I definitely want to see the Sony before I decide on which projector to buy so I will be in contact with you to come see it.

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Happy to show it to you. smile.gif
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Mike doesn't live in NY where AV Science is located. He works from his home which is in southern KY.

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I'll bet they are very comparable.

I would bet to the contrary. The base materials and to the extent the JJKP uses any sprayed on optical gain coating, I would bet they are quite different. The gain of course should be the same. half angles, I would need the JKP 1.3 spec. Smoothness probably quite different and I would be interested to closely examine an on off pixel pattern on both and the sharpness of the transitions and any bleed.

Did you see the JKP 1.3 material in the Da-lite booth? Was it there?
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Marks darn comments keep me interested in the ST100 material. If it weren't such a massive paini in the ass in my set up to swap screen materials I'd probably try it out.
Might be interesting to compare the ST100 to the Carada Classic Cinema White material and I think those who care about cost and what they are getting for extra expense should think about the Carada.

Here are some measurements and comments from Jeff Meier with his configuration:

http://www.accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf

Those who go there should see that the ST100 has about 5% more gain with color accuracy being almost the same (3 out of 4 the same and the other .001 in the ST100's favor). They can also read Jeff's comments about the 2 materials.

A gain difference of 5% is pretty small and seems like Mark would consider that factor essentially meaningless, especially given his comments about JVC's 10% or more lumens change:
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While I believe JVC has improved their machines significantly this year, the brightness increase is not significant and is essentially meaningless except for advertising purposes..
Mark,

Have you seen the Carada CCW? Do you think you would be able to tell the difference between it and the ST100 in your current setup with the VW1000 or VW600?

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I would bet to the contrary. The base materials and to the extent the JJKP uses any sprayed on optical gain coating, I would bet they are quite different. The gain of course should be the same. half angles, I would need the JKP 1.3 spec. Smoothness probably quite different and I would be interested to closely examine an on off pixel pattern on both and the sharpness of the transitions and any bleed.

Did you see the JKP 1.3 material in the Da-lite booth? Was it there?

No, the HD Prog 1.3 is a brand new product and was not demo'd. My assumption is that it is Dalite's answer to the StudioTek1.3, though I do not of course know if the two perform identically.
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I'm tentatively planning on using this projector with a Seymour Center Stage XD screen. Decision point is how big of screen can I fill?
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Might be interesting to compare the ST100 to the Carada Classic Cinema White material and I think those who care about cost and what they are getting for extra expense should think about the Carada.

Here are some measurements and comments from Jeff Meier with his configuration:

http://www.accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf

Those who go there should see that the ST100 has about 5% more gain with color accuracy being almost the same (3 out of 4 the same and the other .001 in the ST100's favor). They can also read Jeff's comments about the 2 materials.

A gain difference of 5% is pretty small and seems like Mark would consider that factor essentially meaningless, especially given his comments about JVC's 10% or more lumens change:
Mark,

Have you seen the Carada CCW? Do you think you would be able to tell the difference between it and the ST100 in your current setup with the VW1000 or VW600?

Thanks,
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I would personally look to Stewart or Da Lite before Carada from what I saw of the three Carada screens I owned. For one thing, do they still ship the screen material unprotected for the frame members to smash up against causing much more wrinkling than otherwise would happen if they would use a protective tube like Da-Lite, Stewart, etc.....? As I have posted about before, both the CCW and BW material I found objectionable screen texture/pattern vertically across the entrie surface very faint, but noticeable once I saw it. I could not live with any of the three I tried. I know I am in the minority, but I am not the only one to have reported this issue and I would personally avoid Carada and spend the extra on Da-Lite or Stewart in light of these 2 issues.
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Are you still using the HP 2.8, too bad I never could find an HP 2.8, still stuck with the 2.4.

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Are you still using the HP 2.8, too bad I never could find an HP 2.8, still stuck with the 2.4.

I actually thought they'd bring the 2.8 material back as some false hope, then my false hope proved wrong so I didn't spend enough time checking Ebay for used screens as much as I should have. But buying a used screen sounds like a lot of trouble too.

Still using the 2.8. I love this screen in my setup with the JVC since it allows me to get more of the contrast while maintaining good brightness (not to mention how great it is for 3d). Different projector and I might switch out to a JKP 1.1, but I will be sticking with JVC for a while from the looks of it. I would love to get that new Sony, but it's out of my price range.
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