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That's interesting, thanks. I was unaware of the Sony UBP-X800. I see it also has a display setting for "TV or Projector", which I haven't noticed in a player before.

About that 8-bit data, isn't that all the 600ES can handle? Does the 600ES's "x.v.Color" setting help at all with wide-color-gamut content?

I guess I will head over to the X800 thread, but one more quick question. It's vague in the manual how the "4K upscale" setting works. Does the "Auto1" setting do the right thing with our projectors, namely send 1080p when playing a regular Blu-ray and 2160p when playing a UHD disc? I prefer to upscale 1080p in the projector.

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The UB900 also has a setting to choose TV or Projector.

Yes you can send 10 bit to the Sony, but I think the driver board is limited to 8 bits (per Seegs108). The SXRD panels themselves are 12 bit.

Yes the x.v.Color (x.v.YCC) setting is a little bit wider gamut, but the source has to also have that capability, and not many do. I think the PS3 does. But since it is capable of wider than rec709 color gamut, you can send the BT2020 (which is for now just P3 inside the 2020 container) and it will go out as far as it can color wise, which if I recall gets to about 87% of DCI-P3 color gamut for the Sonys. So you do get some benefit by sending BT2020 from your UHD players, etc. I saw this first hand while testing a 350ES, 365ES & 675ES.



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Yes the x.v.Color (x.v.YCC) setting is a little bit wider gamut, but the source has to also have that capability, and not many do. I think the PS3 does. But since it is capable of wider than rec709 color gamut, you can send the BT2020 (which is for now just P3 inside the 2020 container) and it will go out as far as it can color wise, which if I recall gets to about 87% of DCI-P3 color gamut for the Sonys. So you do get some benefit by sending BT2020 from your UHD players, etc. I saw this first hand while testing a 350ES, 365ES & 675ES.
What colour space setting would you suggest to get the most from a 350ES to max the potential of a HDR player like the Sony X800?
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What colour space setting would you suggest to get the most from a 350ES to max the potential of a HDR player like the Sony X800?

The 350 also supports the xvYCC if I recall so that's also wider than rec709, so you can send BT2020 and let it go as wide as it can, which is probably the same 87 or so % of P3.

You'll probably need an HDF Integral or Linker to get it to output SDR BT2020 though. Or try to get it to send HDR with a Linker and then use custom settings like my HarperVision ones.
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The 350 also supports the xvYCC if I recall so that's also wider than rec709, so you can send BT2020 and let it go as wide as it can, which is probably the same 87 or so % of P3.

You'll probably need an HDF Integral or Linker to get it to output SDR BT2020 though. Or try to get it to send HDR with a Linker and then use custom settings like my HarperVision ones.
Thanks for the reply Dave. I was hoping that I could work with one of the 5 Color Space options mentioned in the manual.
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Thanks for the reply Dave. I was hoping that I could work with one of the 5 Color Space options mentioned in the manual.

I'm pretty sure if you have a meter like an i1 and grab a free calibration software like HCFR (if you don't have these already?) then you should be able to use the Custom Color Space and send BT2020 to it with an HDF device and then check and adjust the CMS to as wide as you can get it to support. I think it'll be similar to the other Sonys, about 87% of P3.
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I'm pretty sure if you have a meter like an i1 and grab a free calibration software like HCFR (if you don't have these already?) then you should be able to use the Custom Color Space and send BT2020 to it with an HDF device and then check and adjust the CMS to as wide as you can get it to support. I think it'll be similar to the other Sonys, about 87% of P3.
Thanks again. After all these years I still haven't found the time or the courage to approach such types of calibration. Possibly something for my retirement
On a somewhat non-related subject, is there a moderately priced pj (in the $ range of a Sony 350ES) that truly shows a noticeable benefit of the latest HDR players and discs? My 300ES is a great 4K pj, but I see no difference when playing a UBR discs.
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Thanks again. After all these years I still haven't found the time or the courage to approach such types of calibration. Possibly something for my retirement

On a somewhat non-related subject, is there a moderately priced pj (in the $ range of a Sony 350ES) that truly shows a noticeable benefit of the latest HDR players and discs? My 300ES is a great 4K pj, but I see no difference when playing a UBR discs.

Yes, I would look for a leftover or B-Stock JVC RS600 or maybe a new JVC RS520. You may even be able to get an RS620 in the range that the 350ES retailed for.

I personally think the laser phosphor Epson LS10000 and LS10500 do it justice as well, if calibrated right for HDR.

I would contact @Craig Peer or @Mike Garrett from AVS.
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Thanks again. After all these years I still haven't found the time or the courage to approach such types of calibration. Possibly something for my retirement
On a somewhat non-related subject, is there a moderately priced pj (in the $ range of a Sony 350ES) that truly shows a noticeable benefit of the latest HDR players and discs? My 300ES is a great 4K pj, but I see no difference when playing a UBR discs.
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I have a Sony VW600es 4K Native Projector, the bulb has about 1098 hrs on it, and today the projector started to show blurry images, everything works excepts the image quality went down. Does anyone know what may be causing such a change? By the way, I started to hear some fast ticking sounds as well....

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I have a Sony VW600es 4K Native Projector, the bulb has about 1098 hrs on it, and today the projector started to show blurry images, everything works excepts the image quality went down. Does anyone know what may be causing such a change? By the way, I started to hear some fast ticking sounds as well....

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Not many people responding to this tread anymore. I have a 500es with close to 2000 hours and its still looking good other than a loss of native contrast. However, concerning your issue, i am pretty certain its is not the lamp. Have you tried adjusting the focus? that would be my first step, get it as good as possible. there are some decent images but anything with letters or nice straight lines i have found works well with the focus. if that does not get it razor sharp, you have a problem with something else other than the optics. I have heard that the panel alignments can cause a slight blurry look but that usually also has some color shading associated with it based on images i have seen. The clicking sound however sounds like something with the iris or a switch/solenoid issue. It is sounding like a trip to United Radio may be in order. Is the projector in warranty?
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I had to send my 600es to a United Radio today. I had ticking sounds a few times but then my panels wouldn't align. No movement when adjusting the grid in the menu. It has just under 600 total hours and it's just outside of warranty. Not real impressed right now!!!
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Sorry to hear you have had problems. Mine has well over 8000hrs on the original bulb and still works and looks great. I certainly have been lucky

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Sorry to hear you have had problems. Mine has well over 8000hrs on the original bulb and still works and looks great. I certainly have been lucky

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I get that things happen but still frustrating.
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So I'm looking for advice here. I was called by a technician from United Radio today. He said my optical block needs replaced. That part costs $10,181.25 plus $270 in labor. This unit has been used for 3 years and 3 months and has less than 600 total hours on it. The projector is not even worth that on the street. I've emailed Sony support but are there any ideas??

Not real pleased right now!
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So I'm looking for advice here. I was called by a technician from United Radio today. He said my optical block needs replaced. That part costs $10,181.25 plus $270 in labor. This unit has been used for 3 years and 3 months and has less than 600 total hours on it. The projector is not even worth that on the street. I've emailed Sony support but are there any ideas??

Not real pleased right now!
That's a tough one. Your best chance is to plead with Sony to cover the part. I had a similar issue with a JVC pj. 2 months after a 2 year warranty expired, my OB went. The good people at JVC Canada were able to convince head office to cover the part which was $5k, and I the labor. The sad part of the story is the new OB had a pink hue to it which I could never correct. At that stage, there was nothing more JVC could do. Best of luck
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That's a tough one. Your best chance is to plead with Sony to cover the part. I had a similar issue with a JVC pj. 2 months after a 2 year warranty expired, my OB went. The good people at JVC Canada were able to convince head office to cover the part which was $5k, and I the labor. The sad part of the story is the new OB had a pink hue to it which I could never correct. At that stage, there was nothing more JVC could do. Best of luck

Thanks!! I'm hoping they agree there had to be something wrong with the quality if it didn't even last 600 hours.
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So I'm looking for advice here. I was called by a technician from United Radio today. He said my optical block needs replaced. That part costs $10,181.25 plus $270 in labor. This unit has been used for 3 years and 3 months and has less than 600 total hours on it. The projector is not even worth that on the street. I've emailed Sony support but are there any ideas??

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Ouch. Did you pay by credit card? That should extend the OEM warranty for a year and cover repair.
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Ouch. Did you pay by credit card? That should extend the OEM warranty for a year and cover repair.
Good question...I'll have to look back. Probably did on debit card but maybe.
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So I'm looking for advice here. I was called by a technician from United Radio today. He said my optical block needs replaced. That part costs $10,181.25 plus $270 in labor. This unit has been used for 3 years and 3 months and has less than 600 total hours on it. The projector is not even worth that on the street. I've emailed Sony support but are there any ideas??

Not real pleased right now!
As with the others who replied, I feel for your situation. I'm really hoping Sony can give you a little "wiggle room" on the warranty and at the very least give you some break on parts. You could let slip that you've been discussing the issue with other loyal Sony customers on the AVS Forum and they were all surprised at such an early product failure. While it may get you nowhere, sharing the publicity of your situation with the Sony rep can't hurt.

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Good question...I'll have to look back. Probably did on debit card but maybe.
Have your dealer go to bat for you. I am doing that today for a lamp for a customer.
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Have your dealer go to bat for you. I am doing that today for a lamp for a customer.
Thanks Mike!! Ive now got them involved and I'm copying them on emails going around. I'm hearing that part price is actually more than the dealer price for a new projector. That makes no sense!!
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Hdr??

I have a 600ES projector, does anyone know if there is any HDR Support available? Do they offer a board upgrade or anything or do i just have to buy the new projector?

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I have a 600ES projector, does anyone know if there is any HDR Support available? Do they offer a board upgrade or anything or do i just have to buy the new projector?
Unfortunately, there is not. The closest you can come is to use a UHD player with good HDR -> SDR mapping (e.g. OPPO UDP-203) and use the "Strip Metadata" setting to map the wider color gamut Rec. 2020 -> x.v.Color and set the Target Luminance to something that looks good to you. IIRC, mine's set to somewhere around 300, but YMMV.

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thanks!

You could possibly do something similar as I have done with some Epson projectors, which I call "HarperVision". Check out the links below my signature.

What you do for an SDR only display is get an HDFury Linker and trick your source into thinking it is connected to an HDR display. This will cause the source (UHD Bluray, etc.) to send the full HDR WCG signal into your 600ES.

Then through various picture menu settings and custom gamma curves you can make it look amazing. This seems to give a great image that has the best of both HDR and SDR attributes, which projectors of this day and age can thrive on since they aren't really natively designed for the HDR specs we have today, which were created with flat panels in mind, not projectors.

I'll have to double check what options there are in the Sony Image Director SW as far as gamma though. I haven't used it in a bit. I haven't tried HV on a Sony yet, but I'd love to have the chance.

Where are you located? I'll be on the mainland in the northeast very soon. Maybe we can try this together?
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I'm trying to confirm if what is occurring I understand correctly as to why. I have the Oppo 203 with the 600ES through an Anthem AVM60 and it has been playing 4K streams and non-HDR 4K Blu Rays together nicely. However I just tried for the first time some 4K HDR discs (Planet Earth 2 and Everest) and the Oppo is forcing a 1080P output to the projector. When I load the discs it is 4K out at the Oppo main menu and the beginning intros stay in 4K but as soon as the primary movie menu loads the output changes to 1080P. No matter what settings I try this occurs. Is it such that because the Sony projector is not HDR capable and the Oppo sees that it is forcing it to play 1080P? I would have thought turning off the HDR setting would avoid that issue. It's the only explanation I can come up with as to why this occurs. Interestingly the bonus disc for Planet Earth is in 1080P yet the Oppo will upscale that and send 4K to the projector. So am I right in understanding the issue?
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I'm trying to confirm if what is occurring I understand correctly as to why. I have the Oppo 203 with the 600ES through an Anthem AVM60 and it has been playing 4K streams and non-HDR 4K Blu Rays together nicely. However I just tried for the first time some 4K HDR discs (Planet Earth 2 and Everest) and the Oppo is forcing a 1080P output to the projector. When I load the discs it is 4K out at the Oppo main menu and the beginning intros stay in 4K but as soon as the primary movie menu loads the output changes to 1080P. No matter what settings I try this occurs. Is it such that because the Sony projector is not HDR capable and the Oppo sees that it is forcing it to play 1080P? I would have thought turning off the HDR setting would avoid that issue. It's the only explanation I can come up with as to why this occurs. Interestingly the bonus disc for Planet Earth is in 1080P yet the Oppo will upscale that and send 4K to the projector. So am I right in understanding the issue?
Do you have another non-4k display unit also hooked up to your Anthem?
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I just tried for the first time some 4K HDR discs (Planet Earth 2 and Everest) and the Oppo is forcing a 1080P output to the projector. When I load the discs it is 4K out at the Oppo main menu and the beginning intros stay in 4K but as soon as the primary movie menu loads the output changes to 1080P. No matter what settings I try this occurs.
I've had a similar problem. After one of the more recent updates (could just be coincidental), UHD Blu-ray Discs started causing the OPPO UHD-203 to negotiate 1080p with the VPL-VW600ES. My solution was to change the Output Resolution from "Source Direct" to Custom -> UHD Auto. Now a long-press of the Info button shows 2160x3840 input from the disc, output as 2160x3840 to the projector. Additionally, I set HDR Settings -> HDR to Strip Metadata and enabled x.v.Color on the projector to pass through the wider BT.2020 color space of HDR.

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I've been using the HDFury Integral for about a year...a must for the 500/600es that have a early version of HDMI 2.0
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Are you using HDMI Input 2 on the VW600? If true, connect the 203 direct to the VW600 (HDMI 2) and see if that corrects your problem.
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I've had a similar problem. After one of the more recent updates (could just be coincidental), UHD Blu-ray Discs started causing the OPPO UHD-203 to negotiate 1080p with the VPL-VW600ES. My solution was to change the Output Resolution from "Source Direct" to Custom -> UHD Auto. Now a long-press of the Info button shows 2160x3840 input from the disc, output as 2160x3840 to the projector. Additionally, I set HDR Settings -> HDR to Strip Metadata and enabled x.v.Color on the projector to pass through the wider BT.2020 color space of HDR.

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I'll give this a try. I have attempted several combination of settings with no success but probably not this exact set. I am connected to input 2 directly as well with the same results. There is no other display connected to the Anthem either. I'm not sure it's worth the mess to add the HDFury. Obviously the picture even in 1080P is superb but I am more annoyed by why this issue exists. It's is only on HDR encoded discs.
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