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hey all. Whats a good reliable place to order a new bulb for the 600ES?
Maybe not the best/only place, but I ordered the following item on Amazon and it worked perfectly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M4MEKX0/

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Attached is 2 pictures for folks with a scope screen and use zoom or A-lens to change aspect. The picture should be self explanatory. The pictures were derived from a vector drawing and are 600 dpi. One is 1920 x 1080 pixels and the other is 3840 x 2160. With a paint program you can replace my info in the light beige area with your own info. The light beige area is:

Red = 255
Green = 224
Blue = 192

I have these in thumb drives, one attached to my Oppo UDP-203 and the other attached to my Sony UBP-X800 for fast access on either player. In the near future I am going to put a thumb drive in my Linksys WRT1900ACS and see how that works out.
The 1080 appears sharper.
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The 1080 appears sharper.
An illusion because the steps are courser, the 2160 steps are finer therefore smother, looks almost as good as the vector file. The VW600 readily shows the difference between the 1080 and 2160 .
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An illusion because the steps are courser, the 2160 steps are finer therefore smother, looks almost as good as the vector file. The VW600 readily shows the difference between the 1080 and 2160 .
I knew the finer things are wasted on me, preferring the courser
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hey all. Whats a good reliable place to order a new bulb for the 600ES?
Are you wanting a new assembly or just the bulb? If just the bulb then search for a USHIO LMP-H260. I would be skeptical of bulbs not made by USHIO. They (USHIO) can be difficult to find.
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Ok so dumb question.....why would I need the carriage ? If I can just swap out the bulb easily I'm assuming this would save me some.$$$
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anyone on bulb options?
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anyone on bulb options?
From what I have seen the actual bulbs in Sony lamp housings are Philips. (Check your current one to see if that is the case).

So get your self a new Philips bulb (or current make inside your projector) of the correct type and put it in your current housing (after carefully cleaning it, do not breath in the dust).
Be sure to not touch the bulb with bare fingertips either, use some latex gloves or suchlike when handling.
Oils from your fingers will cause hot spots and discolouration before premature expiration of the bulb.
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Well after 8000hrs my original bulb has finally failed. Red warning light came on flashing 3 times with no light output.
Time to get a new bulb.

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Well after 8000hrs my original bulb has finally failed. Red warning light came on flashing 3 times with no light output.
Time to get a new bulb.

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Surprised you waiting so long. You're going to be delighted with the brightness of a new bulb.
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Yes I have ordered a new bulb. The bulb at 8000hrs was bright enough for my room anyway but I'm sure I will be surprised.
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Has anyone here thought of upgrading their 500 to a 360 by buying a new main board? The connectors look the same so it would be a cheap way of getting the latest model if it worked!

They are essentially the same spec except for the HDMI ports and possibly newer processors.

There has been a case of a 550 with a 520 board in it by mistake so that sets a sort of precedent.

Could be a good project for someone with the time and money to give it a go.
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How would you rate the 600 today? Contrast... Brightness... Hdmi 2.2? Compared to a 2018 Sony or even a jvc.

Put another way... Would you pay 4000 for a slightly used 600 today... Or buy a 2018 in the 4to6k range. The build quality of the 600...is it the same or better than today's 4 to 6k options? Bulb life and price reasonable?

Thx. My current pj is on its last legs... And I've purchased used in the past... I know some early higher end models are just built better than newer... More feature rich cheaper models with similar or better specs

Hdr... Miss it after seeing newer pj's? 18gb bandwidth inputs... I mostly watch Netflix. (sorry to offend...) so the latest uhd blu-ray specs might not matter in my situation.

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Because I plan to procure a anamorphic lens I let the 203 do the conversion because that is the only way it will do a stretch. If you have a UHD Sony title, try the test patterns and see which settings you like best. You have to be a the main menu and enter SONY (7669).
The only problem with this is DV movies like the Last Jedi disable the Oppo's Video Output Setup so you can't stretch. Norm
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The only problem with this is DV movies like the Last Jedi disable the Oppo's Video Output Setup so you can't stretch. Norm
I am preparing a request to Oppo requesting a method so the user can select the standard HDR10 with full video adjustments when playing DV disc. When I force HDR10 on the Oppo the white highlights are still clipped out and video adjustments are still locked out. DV disc look better when played on my Sony X800.
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I am preparing a request to Oppo requesting a method so the user can select the standard HDR10 with full video adjustments when playing DV disc. When I force HDR10 on the Oppo the white highlights are still clipped out and video adjustments are still locked out. DV disc look better when played on my Sony X800.

Wendell, let me know what you find out. I've been searching for a solution with no success.
I think it's a Dolby licensing issue which may leave this a dead end. Have you run a DV disc on the X800? Can you do a stretch on it? Thanks, Norm
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Wendell, let me know what you find out. I've been searching for a solution with no success.
I think it's a Dolby licensing issue which may leave this a dead end.
Sent the following today and they have replied.

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This is a request to add a method so that one could chose normal HDR10 when playing a disc with Dolby Vision and have full video adjustments, including the ability to do vertical stretch.

Request to add a discrete IR code so one could select the Nit Range without having to access the Setup Menu.

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Playing disc with Dolby Vision presents problems with older 4K video projectors (Sony VPL-VW600). With high brightness scenes the white levels are clipped and there is no detail. This still occurs if one forces HR10 playback. In forced HR10 playback one still can not access video adjustments.

The same Dolby Vision disc played on a Sony UBP-X800 UHD Blu-ray does not have this problem.

As always, thanks for a great product and support.


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Wendell,

Thanks for taking your time to write to us. We will be looking into both of these suggestions.

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An illusion because the steps are courser, the 2160 steps are finer therefore smother, looks almost as good as the vector file. The VW600 readily shows the difference between the 1080 and 2160 .
Hello. I'm looking at the VW600 and was wondering if you or others here could tell me whether it has a reputation for contrast degradation like some of the other, past Sony models were reported to have. Also, if you know, is the lens on the VW600 as good or better than that in the newer 285/385 models. Thanks so much in advance.
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Hello. I'm looking at the VW600 and was wondering if you or others here could tell me whether it has a reputation for contrast degradation like some of the other, past Sony models were reported to have. Also, if you know, is the lens on the VW600 as good or better than that in the newer 285/385 models. Thanks so much in advance.
The 500/600 models were supposed to have susceptibility to panel degradation (as were some earlier models), but it depends on a variety of factors and usage patterns etc.
The only way to check is to have a thorough test out of the unit you are intending to buy and use your favourite material to test it out if possible. The image should be excellent contrast and sharpness wise. If it is at all grey or dull in a darkened room, then it may be past its best.
(Check the bulb usage too). Just go in with realistic expectations.

As for the lenses, I think the general consensus is that the lenses on the early models are the same spec as the latest models, the big difference being that the newer ones have been through a more thorough quality control process and as such, you are much more likely to get one with minimal to no issues.

Make no mistake, the lenses used on the Sony 4K units are extremely good. So good in fact, that the only things people compare them to are much more expensive lenses (which will obviously be superior), but which also cost far more!

Hope that helps.

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The 500/600 models were supposed to have susceptibility to panel degradation (as were some earlier models), but it depends on a variety of factors and usage patterns etc.
The only way to check is to have a thorough test out of the unit you are intending to buy and use your favourite material to test it out if possible. The image should be excellent contrast and sharpness wise. If it is at all grey or dull in a darkened room, then it may be past its best.
(Check the bulb usage too). Just go in with realistic expectations.

As for the lenses, I think the general consensus is that the lenses on the early models are the same spec as the latest models, the big difference being that the newer ones have been through a more thorough quality control process and as such, you are much more likely to get one with minimal to no issues.

Make no mistake, the lenses used on the Sony 4K units are extremely good. So good in fact, that the only things people compare them to are much more expensive lenses (which will obviously be superior), but which also cost far more!

Hope that helps.
Thanks for the input. As far as the lens, that's what I thought too, I just had some concern because I remember S&V did a quick comparison between the Sony 285 and JVC 790 and the author said the 790 looked sharper in 1080P.
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Thanks for the input. As far as the lens, that's what I thought too, I just had some concern because I remember S&V did a quick comparison between the Sony 285 and JVC 790 and the author said the 790 looked sharper in 1080P.
The Reality Creation algorithm was in its first iteration with the 500/600 and as the JVC would have had 1080 panels in it, it stands to reason that 1080 sources may have looked subjectively better on that unit.
However just having over 4 times the pixels means the Sony would have had a much smoother image with less aliasing and therefore it could have been perceived as softer due to the fact that it was a smoother image.

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Just wondering how many 500/600es owners has moved on to other models and what would be your upgrading path?

I'm looking at the JVC RS540 or VW385, or maybe Optoma UHZ65. Projecting on a 150' 0.8 gain grey screen at the moment, any advices?
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I still have my 500es and will keep it for now as it does me quite well.

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I still have my 600es projecting on Stewart 120" silver screen and am happy with the image quality - though no HDR; not updating any time soon.
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Yep I have a 125" Stewart 235:1 screen and love it too.

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Same here. I picked up my 600ES in 2015 and it continues to thrill. Until someone comes out with a true, jaw-dropping HDR solution for projectors, the 600ES will be the centerpiece of our home theater system.
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Still going strong. Have not checked bulb hours.
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Hello Dear Sirs!

If you can help me in some doubt would be very appreciated!

I'm doing an upgrade because I sold my Pana Ae8000u.

I thought I'd get a Epson 5040ub, but I noticed that the HDR in today market projectors are too far to reach near the Uhd TVs OLED as the quality of the HDR.

Then there was a proposal for a 600es, with 4 years of use, and lamp with less than 1000 h.

I ask: is it worth investing in a 600es? I've seen a 45es in action and I was amazed, I imagine then that one is incredibly better 600es and 4 k option. Who owns the 500/600es can tell if this problem of degradation of Panel is visible at once? You can watch movies on Netflix in 4 k typically, so with the prime? There are many limitations?

I'm in cruel doubt between get a new Epson 5040ub or a 500/600es used ...

Thank you very much!
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Same here. I picked up my 600ES in 2015 and it continues to thrill. Until someone comes out with a true, jaw-dropping HDR solution for projectors, the 600ES will be the centerpiece of our home theater system.
Hello Dear Sirs!

If you can help me in some doubt would be very appreciated!

I'm doing an upgrade because I sold my Pana Ae8000u.

I thought I'd get a Epson 5040ub, but I noticed that the HDR in today market projectors are too far to reach near the Uhd TVs OLED as the quality of the HDR.

Then there was a proposal for a 600es, with 4 years of use, and lamp with less than 1000 h.

I ask: is it worth investing in a 600es? I've seen a 45es in action and I was amazed, I imagine then that one is incredibly better 600es and 4 k option. Who owns the 500/600es can tell if this problem of degradation of Panel is visible at once? You can watch movies on Netflix in 4 k typically, so with the prime? There are many limitations?

I'm in cruel doubt between get a new Epson 5040ub or a 500/600es used ...

Thank you very much!
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