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110" Seymour AT (.89).

I'm also worried with you only getting 12ftL on low and 15 ftL on high with iris wide open and new bulb, especially with a 110" screen. Many of us have screens much larger than this, what are we to expect! rolleyes.gif

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First readings from USER1 (STD settings)…

Low…





High…





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I'm also worried with you only getting 12ftL on low and 15 ftL on high with iris wide open and new bulb, especially with a 110" screen. Many of us have screens much larger than this, what are we to expect! rolleyes.gif
That's only ~ 550 lumens max? WTF?

If true, oh my god I am glad I didn't get this years models.

3D brightness must be horrible.

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Initial THX readings (which as most of you know defaults to Super White & sets MPC settings to ZERO!)






Initial Stage Profile…




Quick 125pt calibration usine USER1/2.3 gamma (but keep in mind the grayscale is messed up from not being able to get 16 & 235 dialed in correctly but it gives you a feel for readings)…


More to follow tomorrow fellas! wink.gif

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That's only ~ 550 lumens max? WTF?

If true, oh my god I am glad I didn't get this years models.

3D brightness must be horrible.

I believe this is what Dennis reported as well. rolleyes.gif

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Please tell me you're at long throw?
Did you measure a 255 white window?

Just be glad you have a smaller screen.

That would be very dim on my 172" diagonal

My RS4810 is still at 790 lumens at mid throw and 300 hours on the bulb. What did JVC do this year?

I sure as hell hope the blacks are darker... Lol.

Turn off DI and see if you get more light output.

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I believe this is what Dennis reported as well. rolleyes.gif

His was at 575... Still very very low.

Well only those with 110" screens or less need apply.

Or very high gain.

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You may be right SOWK, sounds like DI is on by default.
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Well whatever the case… and keep in mind it's still early in the game… I was just down in the theater watching TDK (Heath Ledger), and had to force myself to go to bed; being now 3am. Whatever the specs may initially show… make no mistake, this thing throws one hell of an immersing image (much better than my RS55; albeit first impression). There were some scenes where the contrast bordered on ridiculous!

Lets wait for people like Zombie, Rich etc... to weigh in because there are so many settings at play now on this thing my initial readings could be bogus (need more time as I stated; which is why it's almost a disservice to write up such a quick impression in only 3 hours… I contemplated not doing it at all!).

More tomorrow… time for bedee-bye. wink.gif

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This looks like an HDMi handshake issue!
Happened with my very old samsung plasma, onkyo 818 and ps3. PS3 handshakes are terrible sometimes. Try resetting ps3, switching inputs etc.
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There was a question on my lumens measurement so others could compare. I used a "Lux to Lumens" spreadsheet that another forum member supplied.

I will take other measurements today based on suggestions earlier in this thread, but these are the details:

Mode: Natural
Brightness, Color, etc: default (0)
Lamp: Low
eshift: Default (On)
Aperture: Auto
Distance from Screen: 190"
Screen: 1.78
Diagonal: 102" (actually 100", but adjusted for some overscan)
9 point lux measurements:
200 233 182
198 232 187
182 215 178

ANSI Average Lux: 201
Measured ANSI Lumens: 575
Measured Peak Lumens: 665

What is interesting is that my RS40 had a very similar profile with regard to lux (left, center, right), except that the left side had the lower lux measurements. My PJ is ceiling mounted, so my "left" would be a "right" if not upside down

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DI was auto, lamp is low, throw is 1.43 for 100 inch screen.
Off the top of my head, my rs65, there was a 33 % light increase from 1.0 throw to 2.0. There was a 54% increase from LL to high lamp. If 575 lumens is at low lamp 1.43 throw then we should be in the 900+ range for max lumens.

Can you switch auto aperture off and set at zero, fully zoom to maximum size too please and see how it measures?
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That sounds better... smile.gif

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Lamp: Low


Ah ok smile.gif
Can you measure with High Lamp ?

Could you (or Krichter) please also measure the Adobe-rgb gamut unique to rs57 and 67 ?
Since I'm used to Vango colors I'm very interested in that extended gamut ...


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Thanks for the first impressions, Krichter.

Hmm...I like hearing that the contrast looks deep.

But at the same time there were a whole bunch of red flags in your description - lower brightness, initial lip-sync issues (I HATE lip-sync issues as my set up has struggled with them), etc, that have me worried.

Also, I'm not sure why the ILA being set on would necessarily lead to lower brightness measurements. I'd presume that before taking such measurement people have set their aperture manually to wide open. Even if the ILA is engaged the manual setting of the aperture is supposed to be maintained as the peak brightness point, so if you have the iris set at "0" manually, then the ILA should be at full brightness on an all white image.

(One of the things I was really hoping for is a slightly brighter image from the new JVCs, or at least, not a dimmer one!)
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Interesting snippet from a french forum, linked to earlier in this thread:

"Hello everyone,
after a few hours of viewing between yesterday and today
first impressions of the X500 are rather very positive
almost no gosthing 3D beautiful dive, a cmd in 3D and 2D is hardly noticed :P
improved contrast compared to X55 ....
no bug lamented after passing between different sources unlike sylvainD
brief but happiness for the moment :ohmg:
FYI, yesterday little comparison between the X700 and the Sony VW500 and the few customers who have made this comparison all preferred the JVC (on a 4k source (sony server))
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That last comment is quite something.
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Yes, that is quite something especially in Europe as the price variance is only something like 20% - both machines are quite similar in cost over here.

Having seen the Sony vw500 I'm not sure how this is possible though - I wonder what seating distance to screen width ratio was...

I've pulled some eshift 3 pictures off hi fi forum and it looks very good. Will post them in the generic Jvc thread.
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I played with all the settings I can on my ps3/ps4 and my denon processor. Still unable to get the rs57 to play any blu rays via the ps3 or the ps4. I attempted hooking straight to the ps4 via HDMI (removed the denon processor from the equation) and was still unable to get the rs57 to play a blu ray was hoping my issue was simply a color space formatting issue. But I've tried the different variations in color space between 1) Auto or 2) YCbCr(4:4:4) or 3) YCbCr(4:2:2) or 4) RGB for Jvc, tried the HDMI control on/off with no help. The ps3/ps4 home screens display fine. But as soon as selecting the blu ray to play the entire image flashes magenta and then I get nothing.

I tried two different HDMI cables, 1 is a 20 ft 1.3b HDMI cable. The other is a 10 foot HDMI cable (unsure of the version). Do I need to get a newer HDMI cable just to rule my HDMI cables causing the problem? I think my connecting the Jvc directly to the ps4 and still having the same issue at least I can rule out my denon processor as the source of the issue.

Note: before changing any settings in my ps3 /ps4 /denon processor I was using the rs46 with Zero issues.
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Kevin, Dennis,
When you made the lumen measurements was the DI turned OFF and was the Aperture set to 0??? (perhaps the low reading is because of the DI).
Is your unit setup for 16-235 or 16-255?
Did you use a 100% pattern or 109%?

There you are!! I thought you abandoned us. biggrin.gif

I believe I set all the profiles to "Manual" (from Auto1 or 2 as the only other options), reset the Mini and the Aperture was as you see from my pics '0'. I feel like with all these new settings there must be something I'm not considering prior to taking my baselines as no matter what I did I could not get anywhere close to 16 (it was dying off at around 19-20).

The reason I included THX is because it sets to Super white and can't be changed but as you see there really wasn't a change in ftL readings (all at 100%).

Again I'm hoping there's something I missed but FWIW when I set all to default THX mode last night, The Dark Knight was so immersive & punchy I lost track of time and suddenly realized it was almost 3am! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

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There you are!! I thought you abandoned us. biggrin.gif

I believe I set all the profiles to "Manual" (from Auto1 or 2 as the only other options), reset the Mini and the Aperture was as you see from my pics '0'. I feel like with all these new settings there must be something I'm not considering prior to taking my baselines as no matter what I did I could not get anywhere close to 16 (it was dying off at around 19-20).

The reason I included THX is because it sets to Super white and can't be changed but as you see there really wasn't a change in ftL readings (all at 100%).

Again I'm hoping there's something I missed but FWIW when I set all to default THX mode last night, The Dark Knight was so immersive & punchy I lost track of time and suddenly realized it was almost 3am! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm a bit confused because you started your first report on the image quality saying the image looked "washed out" (and figuring it might be due to hasty calibration). But then you seem to describe the image as having super deep black levels and great image depth. ??

(Also, did you try playing with the Clear Black settings, and if so, can you tell us what you see when you do so?)

Thanks for taking the time to post when you've got a new projector to play with!

(I'm hoping for word that mine is coming today as "scheduled" but hardly holding my breath on that).
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There you are!! I thought you abandoned us. biggrin.gif

I believe I set all the profiles to "Manual" (from Auto1 or 2 as the only other options), reset the Mini and the Aperture was as you see from my pics '0'. I feel like with all these new settings there must be something I'm not considering prior to taking my baselines as no matter what I did I could not get anywhere close to 16 (it was dying off at around 19-20).

The reason I included THX is because it sets to Super white and can't be changed but as you see there really wasn't a change in ftL readings (all at 100%).

Again I'm hoping there's something I missed but FWIW when I set all to default THX mode last night, The Dark Knight was so immersive & punchy I lost track of time and suddenly realized it was almost 3am! eek.gifbiggrin.gif
Just keep in mind Kevin that when you switch to THX mode it puts the projector into HDMI=SuperWhite mode. And it does NOT REVERT back to HDMI Standard (or Enhanced) when you with to a different CP (least not on the '55). So, if you had it setup for 16-235 then tried THX mode you should revisit your HDMI/contrast/brightness settings.

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I just performed another lumens measurement:

Hours: 4
Warmup: 45 minutes
Lamp: High
Mode: Natural
Brightness, Color, etc: default (0)
Source: Lumagen IRE: 100
eshift: Default (On)
Aperture: Auto (0)
Distance from Screen: 190"
Screen: 1.78
Diagonal: 102" (actually 100", but adjusted for some overscan)
9 point lux measurements:
258 300 244
260 307 245
239 283 227
ANSI Average Lux: 263
Measured ANSI Lumens: 753
Measured Peak Lumens: 880
Maximum Zoom, Shortest Throw Peak: 1075

I dropped it to low lamp, waited 20 minutes and measured again (at 5 hours). My lumens dropped from 575 to 526, an 8+% drop from my measurement at 1 hours.

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1075 peak - now we are getting somewhere smile.gif

When I moved from high lamp to low lamp on rs65, low lamp mode becomes duller than it is from initial switch on (inc warm up time)
I'm not sure why this happens but its normal behaviour I think.
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Please tell me you're at long throw?
Did you measure a 255 white window?

Just be glad you have a smaller screen.

That would be very dim on my 172" diagonal

My RS4810 is still at 790 lumens at mid throw and 300 hours on the bulb. What did JVC do this year?

I sure as hell hope the blacks are darker... Lol.

Turn off DI and see if you get more light output.

If you look at my pics I posted the lens aperture is set to manual but my specs are below…


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Just keep in mind Kevin that when you switch to THX mode it puts the projector into HDMI=SuperWhite mode. And it does NOT REVERT back to HDMI Standard (or Enhanced) when you with to a different CP (least not on the '55). So, if you had it setup for 16-235 then tried THX mode you should revisit your HDMI/contrast/brightness settings.

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Also, between you and Dennis perhaps one of you could take lux readings at various isis settings with the DI ON and again with the DI off. It might be revealing to see if (and by how much) the lumen output changes when the DI is enabled at various manual Iris settings.

these are lux measurements at center of screen (high lamp)

Aperature Lux
0 307
-5 229
-10 175
-15 92

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I'm a bit confused because you started your first report on the image quality saying the image looked "washed out" (and figuring it might be due to hasty calibration). But then you seem to describe the image as having super deep black levels and great image depth. ??

(Also, did you try playing with the Clear Black settings, and if so, can you tell us what you see when you do so?)

Thanks for taking the time to post when you've got a new projector to play with!

(I'm hoping for word that mine is coming today as "scheduled" but hardly holding my breath on that).

Sorry I should have been more specific but at 3am I wasn't exactly "fresh". wink.gif

I put the quasi-washed out (I think its a gamma problem IMO with not setting 16/235 correctly prior to starting CPure cal… you know what happens when you paint on a poor canvas! wink.gif), on output 1A on the mini for the auto cal 125 I did under USER1 setting (Low lamp/0 iris/DI=Manual), but when on THX (which looked inky black!), I set the Mini to 2A to ensure it didn't use the Autocal settings.

Geof brings up a good point so I think as you rightfully stated… could be a "hasty calibration"… maybe as i said last night… I shouldn't have even posted until I knew what I was doing in relation to all the new settings I'm uncomfortable with at this point.

EDIT… Oh and I did switch clear black on & off but couldn't discern a quantifiable difference at this point (but again I only had 3 hours to decide).

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Thats looks to be virtually zero zoom, close to 1.0 anyway. I would say add about 33% to get to what 2.0\full zoom will be.
Dennis lumens increased by 22% moving from 1.4 zoom to 2.0.
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these are lux measurements at center of screen (high lamp)

Aperature Lux
0 307
-5 229
-10 175
-15 92

Look like the dual aperture has changed and has an even bigger range. Sorry to keep referring back 2 gens but I didn't have last year model but rs65 range was closed aperture was 42% of open. On those numbers its now 30. Interesting. ...
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Oh and FWIW I forgot to mention a couple minor things…

The lens cover is much louder when it opens (not sure why), and anyone using Hex commands with an iPad remote app there appears to be a bug now. In order to keep the port open for IP commands you had to use a 3-4 second "keep alive". Now every time that command is sent to the PJ, it resets any on screen menus (turning them off). For now I'm relegated to using my hard remote and get out of my iRule app to use the menus on the 57. mad.gif

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Just keep in mind Kevin that when you switch to THX mode it puts the projector into HDMI=SuperWhite mode. And it does NOT REVERT back to HDMI Standard (or Enhanced) when you with to a different CP (least not on the '55). So, if you had it setup for 16-235 then tried THX mode you should revisit your HDMI/contrast/brightness settings.

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Also, between you and Dennis perhaps one of you could take lux readings at various isis settings with the DI ON and again with the DI off. It might be revealing to see if (and by how much) the lumen output changes when the DI is enabled at various manual Iris settings.

I couldn't take any Lux readings last night because along with my Panny camera batt crapping out my Mastech was dead as well and I had NO other 9v batt in the house (well… my wife wouldn't let me steal the smoke detector battery (a woman's priority being so different from a man's I guess!)). wink.gif

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