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I'm looking for opinions from those of you who have gone from DLP to D-ILA or LCoS or LCD.

I've always had lower end DLP projectors and been happy with them. I'm looking to upgrade in the future and have been looking at a refurbished Optoma HD8600 for $2,500.

I would definitely consider other options such as JVC (DLA-X500) or Sony etc but I'd like to know how the picture differs between the different technologies.

When viewing Blu Ray / DVD's what will change?

I have a fully light controlled HT with flexible mounting options and looking at going to 120" 2.35:1 screen.

Budget $3-4000.

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Sony HW-VPL55ES is an incredible value.
https://www.avsforum.com/t/1499280/owners-thread-sony-hw55es/720#post_24432575

If you want to spend a bit less the Epson 5030 is also an excellent value.

Have not seen a JVC for a couple year so cant comment. Working on getting my hands on a DLA-X500R in the near future.
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Cool thanks, I'll keep it in the mix.

Does anyone know if the JVC or Sony have that fake soap opera look like the LED tv's? I hate the look of LED tv's for movies.

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Once I found the right settings for my LCD TV, the soap opera / cartoon look went away. Someone posted the settings after color calibration. Made all the difference.
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I second the Sony HW 55ES suggestion. Couldn't be happier with the picture, 3D performance, it's OOTB PQ, etc. But then I'm coming from an old DLP, the NEC HT1000.
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Cool thanks, I'll keep it in the mix.

Does anyone know if the JVC or Sony have that fake soap opera look like the LED tv's? I hate the look of LED tv's for movies.

No, both the Sony HW55 and the new JVC's like the RS4910 ( DLA-X500 ) look great. Take it from a die hard DLP lover - you will be happy with either one. And the black levels will be much better too.
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Cool thank you very much. I'm looking into a constant height screen so I guess JVC has the advantage with the memory lens as I don't have the $$$ to shell out for an anamorphic lens.

PQ difference between the JVC DLA-X500 and Sony HW55, anyone had them side by side? Will there be much difference?

I live in the sticks so I don't have much for demo options.

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Cool thanks, I'll keep it in the mix.

Does anyone know if the JVC or Sony have that fake soap opera look like the LED tv's? I hate the look of LED tv's for movies.

Reduce or better yet turn off any of the motion enhancement "features" and you'll be fine.

To me the motion enhancements make everything look like early videotaped television.
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Cool thank you very much. I'm looking into a constant height screen so I guess JVC has the advantage with the memory lens as I don't have the $$$ to shell out for an anamorphic lens.

PQ difference between the JVC DLA-X500 and Sony HW55, anyone had them side by side? Will there be much difference?

I live in the sticks so I don't have much for demo options.

Not yet but soon.
From what I have been told by people I trust the Sony is much brighter.
Given that we don't know your application the JVC may be plenty bright.
But if you want to do a scope screen the JVC would be a better fit.
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I measured over 900 lumens from the 4910 I had. Plenty for a moderate sized screen with a little gain. It was fine on my 128" dia. 2.35:1 StudioTek 130 and my 106" dia. 16:9 Stewart Cima Neve 1.1 screen.
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I measured over 900 lumens from the 4910 I had. Plenty for a moderate sized screen with a little gain. It was fine on my 128" dia. 2.35:1 StudioTek 130 and my 106" dia. 16:9 Stewart Cima Neve 1.1 screen.

Does the JVC have blanking?
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Cool thanks, I'll keep it in the mix.

Does anyone know if the JVC or Sony have that fake soap opera look like the LED tv's? I hate the look of LED tv's for movies.

it has the OPTION to turn it on, but that's it. even LED's usually let you turn that off.

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it has the OPTION to turn it on, but that's it. even LED's usually let you turn that off.

Right thanks. I had forgotten that look is caused by motion and picture processor's and such.

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Yes. It's called Hide.
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Does the JVC have blanking?
Yes. It's called Hide.
I was thinking he meant a feature to blank pixels near the edges, such as the black bar area above and below a 2.35:1 movie, as opposed to blanking the whole screen.

While the JVCs do have blanking for the edges I don't believe they go far enough to cover the whole black bar area. Not sure the reason for the question though. They should already be at video black during 2.35:1 movies if the projector is calibrated correctly, but he may want them for a different purpose. For using a 1.85:1 screen the JVCs probably have enough blanking.

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So when it comes to motion in movies (like in heavy action scenes) will the JVC be inferior to the Sony? If so, how noticeable will it be?

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I was thinking he meant a feature to blank pixels near the edges, such as the black bar area above and below a 2.35:1 movie, as opposed to blanking the whole screen.

While the JVCs do have blanking for the edges I don't believe they go far enough to cover the whole black bar area. Not sure the reason for the question though. They should already be at video black during 2.35:1 movies if the projector is calibrated correctly, but he may want them for a different purpose. For using a 1.85:1 screen the JVCs probably have enough blanking.

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You are correct. The blanking gets close close, but not quite enough to cover the black bars.
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The simple solution is to draw black lines with a permanent marker on the bottom and top of your eyeballs.
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One more question, when planning on mounting the projector, is it best to get it as close to being vertically centered as possible or is using more offset ok?

I've been reading that the best picture is achieved by being vertically centered and not using offset.

I'd like to build it into a soffit but if it's better to be lower (closer to the center of the screen) I would ceiling mount it.

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It depends on if the V-shift you use ends up adding to or subtracting from convergence error. Sometimes enabling V-shift can actually improve convergence. The difference is slight either way almost always unless you get near the extreme amounts of the maximum V-shift, though these days even that isn't usually nearly as bad as it used to be.

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Does the JVC have blanking?
Yes. It's called Hide.
I was thinking he meant a feature to blank pixels near the edges, such as the black bar area above and below a 2.35:1 movie, as opposed to blanking the whole screen.

While the JVCs do have blanking for the edges I don't believe they go far enough to cover the whole black bar area. Not sure the reason for the question though. They should already be at video black during 2.35:1 movies if the projector is calibrated correctly, but he may want them for a different purpose. For using a 1.85:1 screen the JVCs probably have enough blanking.

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I have my x35 set up using pretty much the maximum lens shift and I don't have any major convergence issues. I say major, because I think I don't have any, but I don't know how picky I'm supposed to be.

I certainly find the image on screen to be phenomenal, and lowering the projector would certainly have been more offensive in my room.

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I have my x35 set up using pretty much the maximum lens shift and I don't have any major convergence issues. I say major, because I think I don't have any, but I don't know how picky I'm supposed to be.

I certainly find the image on screen to be phenomenal, and lowering the projector would certainly have been more offensive in my room.

I'm near max vertical lens shift, too, and don't notice any ill effects. With the Sony, at least, you can adjust convergence very easily. I did that, but it was already quite close, so I didn't notice any real difference.
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You are correct. The blanking gets close close, but not quite enough to cover the black bars.

I wonder why they didn't just implement enough to completely cover black bars?

It would be very cool to see a projector have the ability to mask out the light of black bars completely. smile.gif
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I wonder why they didn't just implement enough to completely cover black bars?

It would be very cool to see a projector have the ability to mask out the light of black bars completely

In a " properly set up room " with a 2.35:1 screen, you aren't going to see the black bars anyway. I certainly don't And when I watch foreign films with subtitles, I usually have the subtitles positioned so that the 2nd line is in the black bar area.
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I wonder why they didn't just implement enough to completely cover black bars?

It would be very cool to see a projector have the ability to mask out the light of black bars completely. smile.gif

As I just mentioned in another post have Craig get you a Lumagen Mini for aspect ratio control, proper blanking as well as lots of other cool stuff a pro calibrator can do to make your picture looks its best.
http://shop.avscience.com/Lumagen-Radiance-Mini-3D_p_118.html
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I wonder why they didn't just implement enough to completely cover black bars?

It would be very cool to see a projector have the ability to mask out the light of black bars completely. smile.gif

My older Marantz could do this, but even then the bars were not completely black on my 2.8 gain HP screen.
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