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The HDR is disabled bt2020,
mapping control 2 and 4
Digital cinema sdr projector configuration, gamma 1
100 "screen, win 1.0
If you can help me to try other alternatives I would appreciate it
Is gamma 1 2.4? 2.4 is what you should be using.
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Gamma -2 is 2.4

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It's been a while since I owned this projector, but I seem to recall what you're saying is true. I used it with the Panasonic UB900 and HD Fury Linker getting SDR + 2020.
Confirmation from Oppo:

If the display does not support HDR10 then the player will not report HDR10 EDID information to the HDMI IN, regardless of the configuration of the player. So make sure that when you are testing for HDR10 and Deep Color support on the HDMI IN that you have the player connected with HDMI (MAIN) to a device that supports HDR10 and Deep Color. The player is not designed to, but is something that we have requested from the engineers, to take an external HDR10 signal and do SDR or BT.2020 conversions to a non-HDR compatible display.



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So in fact, to use HDR on the HDMI IN your display needs to support HDR. We can trick the Oppo by using a HDFury device and use a custom EDID including HDR informations.
Then we will be able to feed HDR from external devices to the HDMI IN and then use the HDR to SDR tone mapping options.
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-1 is a 2.4 gamma nailed.
thanks to the 2.
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I can tell you that I have the oppo 203 with the beta of sdr bt2020, and it is much better the HDR that the Epson does with the latest firmware update, than what the oppo does.


The oppo can give you a little more light, but the HDR effect kills you, those look bright and those bright colors are lost with the mapping.


I'll tell you more, I'll sell the oppo and I'll continue with the Panasonic UB900.


I have owned an LS10000 and 2 Ls10500.
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Are you sure you have the Oppo and projector set up right? Reason I ask, the vast majority of people that have tested the Oppo tone mapping have picked it over HDR implementations in pretty much every projector. Lumagen does the best tone mapping and Kris Deering has compared the Oppo to the Lumagen and said the Oppo was close to what the Lumagen can do.

I was wondering that too Mike. He mentions the colors are off so I am wondering if he is not turning off the HDR mode as he sends in the tone mapped SDR bt2020?
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On the Oppo I assume you had HDR off BT2020 selected? What slider number for luminance did you use on the Oppo? What are the projector settings? What size and gain screen?
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The HDR is disabled bt2020,

mapping control 2 and 4

Digital cinema sdr projector configuration, gamma 1

100 "screen, win 1.0

If you can help me to try other alternatives I would appreciate it

Sorry, it seems I jumped the gun and you guys covered this already. I made my reply above, not realizing I had 15 more posts to read......Doh!


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Confirmation from Oppo:

If the display does not support HDR10 then the player will not report HDR10 EDID information to the HDMI IN, regardless of the configuration of the player. So make sure that when you are testing for HDR10 and Deep Color support on the HDMI IN that you have the player connected with HDMI (MAIN) to a device that supports HDR10 and Deep Color. The player is not designed to, but is something that we have requested from the engineers, to take an external HDR10 signal and do SDR or BT.2020 conversions to a non-HDR compatible display.



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So in fact, to use HDR on the HDMI IN your display needs to support HDR. We can trick the Oppo by using a HDFury device and use a custom EDID including HDR informations.
Then we will be able to feed HDR from external devices to the HDMI IN and then use the HDR to SDR tone mapping options.


Thanks that's good to know as I i'm about to receive a BenQ LK 970 and I was going to do some testing with the 203. Now I know I am going to have to crack out the vertex to get this to work properly which kind of sucks. I'm glad at least they are saying they are going to work on this though.
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Confirmation from Oppo:

If the display does not support HDR10 then the player will not report HDR10 EDID information to the HDMI IN, regardless of the configuration of the player. So make sure that when you are testing for HDR10 and Deep Color support on the HDMI IN that you have the player connected with HDMI (MAIN) to a device that supports HDR10 and Deep Color. The player is not designed to, but is something that we have requested from the engineers, to take an external HDR10 signal and do SDR or BT.2020 conversions to a non-HDR compatible display.



Best Regards,

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Fax: 650-961-1119




So in fact, to use HDR on the HDMI IN your display needs to support HDR. We can trick the Oppo by using a HDFury device and use a custom EDID including HDR informations.
Then we will be able to feed HDR from external devices to the HDMI IN and then use the HDR to SDR tone mapping options.
You can also use MadVR on a PC to achieve this easily without the need for any extra hardware.

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Is everyone using the Oppo with tone mapping setting color space and bit depth on "auto?"
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A few questions / recent observations. I run an Xbox One X into the LS10K.

From what I have read I have been under the impression that without a Linker or Oppo, I will only be getting SDR or REC709 information sent to the PJ, when watching UHD discs, much like if I was watching a Blu-ray. Is that actually the case?

The reason I ask is that I have had to set up a 2nd memory profile in order to correct for brightness when watching UHD discs. I've increased contrast, colour saturation, dropped the game to -1 and increased the iris as before things were so washed out compared to watching a Blu-ray.

This process is exactly the same as I have heard people going through to get HDR working correctly etc. I know I am not getting HDR, and understanding I may not be stictly getting REC2020, but could I be getting some kind of WCG mapping with my current arrangement?

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A few questions / recent observations. I run an Xbox One X into the LS10K.



From what I have read I have been under the impression that without a Linker or Oppo, I will only be getting SDR or REC709 information sent to the PJ, when watching UHD discs, much like if I was watching a Blu-ray. Is that actually the case?



The reason I ask is that I have had to set up a 2nd memory profile in order to correct for brightness when watching UHD discs. I've increased contrast, colour saturation, dropped the game to -1 and increased the iris as before things were so washed out compared to watching a Blu-ray.



This process is exactly the same as I have heard people going through to get HDR working correctly etc. I know I am not getting HDR, and understanding I may not be stictly getting REC2020, but could I be getting some kind of WCG mapping with my current arrangement?

When you look at the display info in the Xbox one X's menu after doing the signal test, what is it telling you you're able to send to the display? What does the info menu on the LS10000 say it's receiving?

From what I recall when having this projector, you did need the Linker (or newer Vertex now) or the Oppo so you could force the HDR signal to be sent to the LS10000. The EDID in it doesn't report its capable of any wide color gamuts in SDR mode iirc. Can the XB1X force HDR to be sent or SDR/BT2020? I've only had the XB1S and I don't think that model could.
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Hi there. The Xbox One X flags that the PJ is incapable of HDR, and says that while it supports 4K @ 60FPS it cannot do 10-bit colour.

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Hi there. The Xbox One X flags that the PJ is incapable of HDR, and says that while it supports 4K @ 60FPS it cannot do 10-bit colour.

Yes, because that's beyond the 10.2Gbps limitations of this projector's hdmi inputs. You have to back down to about 30Fps, or 24 for movies.
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Yes, because that's beyond the 10.2Gbps limitations of this projector's hdmi inputs. You have to back down to about 30Fps, or 24 for movies.


BTW Dave.

I finally got around to using your settings on my LS10000. I’m using a Zappiti 4K media server to play the 4K HDR movies.

I lowered the color saturation a little, but wow the movies look really good. Initially your settings didn’t look so hot, but that was because I needed to turn off HDR in the Zappiti.

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BTW Dave.

I finally got around to using your settings on my LS10000. I’m using a Zappiti 4K media server to play the 4K HDR movies.

I lowered the color saturation a little, but wow the movies look really good. Initially your settings didn’t look so hot, but that was because I needed to turn off HDR in the Zappiti.

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Thanks! I don't believe you should be turning HDR off though, unless the Zappiti just disables the HDR flag but still sends the full, raw HDR signal? My HarperVision tweaks are based on receiving the full HDR signal, not a time mapped or one converted to SDR first. Maybe there was some other setting that wasn't correct? Did you use the custom gamma settings along with the other menu changes?
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Thanks! I don't believe you should be turning HDR off though, unless the Zappiti just disables the HDR flag but still sends the full, raw HDR signal? My HarperVision tweaks are based on receiving the full HDR signal, not a time mapped or one converted to SDR first. Maybe there was some other setting that wasn't correct? Did you use the custom gamma settings along with the other menu changes?

I’ll verify tomorrow, but pretty sure I got all of your settings correct. With HDR set to on in the Zappiti your settings were overkill. With it off the picture is gorgeous.


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Thanks! I don't believe you should be turning HDR off though, unless the Zappiti just disables the HDR flag but still sends the full, raw HDR signal? My HarperVision tweaks are based on receiving the full HDR signal, not a time mapped or one converted to SDR first. Maybe there was some other setting that wasn't correct? Did you use the custom gamma settings along with the other menu changes?


I verified today and I set everything correctly.


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I verified today and I set everything correctly.


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Are you 100% positive that the media player is actually sending HDR and that the program itself is HDR? The way you're describing it, it sounds like it's not.
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Are you 100% positive that the media player is actually sending HDR and that the program itself is HDR? The way you're describing it, it sounds like it's not.


I’ve viewed several 4K HDR movies in the Zappiti and they all look bland with the normal calibration.

If I apply your settings with the Zappiti HDR set to on the color saturation is overkill. Once I set the HDR to off on the Zappiti the picture is spectacular. That’s good enough for me.

I also recorded a couple of 4K HDR events on my Dish Hopper. They also look good using your settings and very bland without.


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I have a perfectly calibrated LS10000 (REC2020). So the easiest solution is to use the Linker with EDID10 and use the Panasonic (in my case at the moment the UB900 but later i will switch to the 824).
Which settings should I use on the Panasonic?
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Has anyone tried the Panasonic UB-820 with the LS10000, and if so - is there any advantages with this combo compared to a UB900/700 combo with/without a Linker?

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The 820 properly set-up should be a notable improvement over the 900 for tone mapping. Kris Deering has talked a lot about the 820 benefits. I *think* you will still need the Linker for the 820 with the LS10000 only because of the projector's EDID limitation.
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The 820 properly set-up should be a notable improvement over the 900 for tone mapping. Kris Deering has talked a lot about the 820 benefits.
That's an excellent information. I just selled my Panasonic 900 and ordererd the 424 (it is i think the same as the 420 modell). The 424 is using the same upscaler chip like the 824. Only difference between 824 and 424 is the missing DV and analog output (and of course the front display). All things i do not need
@DavidHir : Do you have by any chance a link to the thread from Kris Deering?
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That's an excellent information. I just selled my Panasonic 900 and ordererd the 424 (it is i think the same as the 420 modell). The 424 is using the same upscaler chip like the 824. Only difference between 824 and 424 is the missing DV and analog output (and of course the front display). All things i do not need
@DavidHir: Do you have by any chance a link to the thread from Kris Deering?
I would just do a forum search on his user name here as well as at the Blu-ray site. The 820 does require certain settings to get the best result but in short you want to use the SDR/2020 output of the unit for the best tone mapping on the LS.
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The 820 does require certain settings to get the best result but in short you want to use the SDR/2020 output of the unit for the best tone mapping on the LS.
Do you by any chance could post the perfect settings for the LS10000? Do i still need the Linker with the 424 / 824 ??
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Has anyone tried the LS models with a Darbee processor in the signal path? Just curious how it compares. I use one of the original Darbees with my Sony VW95ES and it makes a huge improvement. I only ask because I think one of the Epson lasers will be my next projector.

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Do you by any chance could post the perfect settings for the LS10000? Do i still need the Linker with the 424 / 824 ??
Yes, you will still need the Linker. Do a search on this thread for my name on settings, but basically Natural or THX mode are the best out of box.
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Yes, you will still need the Linker. Do a search on this thread for my name on settings, but basically Natural or THX mode are the best out of box.
Thanks DavidHir. But unfortunatly I couldn't find your entry ... I have ordered the UB420 which if I'm correct doesn't have an THX feature... So Natural would be the setting to choose...
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Thanks DavidHir. But unfortunatly I couldn't find your entry ... I have ordered the UB420 which if I'm correct doesn't have an THX feature... So Natural would be the setting to choose...
Kris Deering did a review on the LS10000 and posted settings. Check out the Sound and Vision website. I think some of the overseas models don't have THX, so use Natural. Either work well and not much to alter except gamma. Just leave greyscale settings at default unless you have a good meter or calibrator to come out.
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Kris Deering did a review on the LS10000 and posted settings. Check out the Sound and Vision website. I think some of the overseas models don't have THX, so use Natural. Either work well and not much to alter except gamma. Just leave greyscale settings at default unless you have a good meter or calibrator to come out.
My PJ is perfectly calibrated for SDR2020.
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My PJ is perfectly calibrated for SDR2020.
Sorry, was thinking your projector wasn't carlibrated. Read up on Kris' posts in this thread about the 820.


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