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New JVC D-ILA 4k (eshift) hybrid laser engine

Today JVC announced a new hybrid laser projector in Amsterdam
http://www.avmagazine.it/news/avprofessional/ibc-jvc-dla-vs2400-laser-ibrido-4k_9536.html
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Wow, that came out of nowhere. That's a good start!! Why wouldn't they have mentioned this @ Cedia?



These are two models of the professional series and also the availability of version "consumer" is yet to be verified.The microdisplay and playback technology used is the same of the models currently in production, and full HD D-ILA panels for the model DLA-VS2200 and instead mechanism and frame-shift to play a 4K resolution interpolated for the DLA-VS2400 .
For both models have the interchangeable lens. What changes is the light engine: in 2200 there will be the traditional high-pressure mercury lamp. In DLA-VS2400 instead there will be a system with hybrid lasers and phosphorswhich should ensure a luminous flux of 1,100 lumens, colorimetric performance as a minimum equal to the current models and an expected duration of the illumination system of considerably higher.
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I'll be interested in the price but we will have to wait until next year to find out the price
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Wow, that came out of nowhere. That's a good start!! Why wouldn't they have mentioned this @ Cedia?

I wonder if they don't comunicate between consumer and professional division :-)
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JVC is an interesting company, they don't seem as anxious to get their products out there to the media like the other vendors. If I were them, with a full continuation of existing models amongst competitors @ Cedia 2014, I would have been talking about this to get people excited.

imo this is great news, this could mean they already have the laser light sources ready for the fall 2015 models. Full HDMI chips should be readily available by the time they need to start cooking the UHD hardware.

do we have a time machine, just need to fast-forward 12 months for a few minutes...
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I am getting one that is basically a highly modified Delorean with a charged flux capacitor. Some high bank official from Africa sent me an email offering to sell it to me for $500K. I sent the money but still haven't received tracking. I am somewhat worried that when I do which I have been assured will be very soon that it will never clear customs.

I decided to buy that instead of 3 of the new color space 2020 DP LED machines that I would need need to light up my non HP2.8 110" diag 1.78 aspect screen (a only a unity gain) to a brightness level that you would find satisfactory.

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Maybe jvc saw the momentum that epson was getting and didn't want to wait till next year to announce it.

Either way I'm sure with jvc build quality, black levels and added brightness this pj should be very nice!
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I trust JVC will be subject to the same scrutiny to which the new Epson has been. All the concern about the longevity of the Epson laser, you know that after 10,000 hours or so (how many people are going to run the projector in high brightness mode all the time -- except me who would be using it for 3D?) you need a new projector and that sort of thing.

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"Also, unless Epson can confirm longer than 10000 hours in "high brightness" mode, I would make an argument that this light source could be a drawback to some owners. There would need to be a cheap and easy solution to replace the lasers. It just seems like a death sentence of 10000 hours otherwise. If Sony and JVC bring us lasers with a similar life expectancy they need to have some sort of easy end-user accessible "drop-in" replacement solution."

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I think JVC announced last December that same projector model
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Wow, that came out of nowhere. That's a good start!! Why wouldn't they have mentioned this @ Cedia?



These are two models of the professional series and also the availability of version "consumer" is yet to be verified.The microdisplay and playback technology used is the same of the models currently in production, and full HD D-ILA panels for the model DLA-VS2200 and instead mechanism and frame-shift to play a 4K resolution interpolated for the DLA-VS2400 .
For both models have the interchangeable lens. What changes is the light engine: in 2200 there will be the traditional high-pressure mercury lamp. In DLA-VS2400 instead there will be a system with hybrid lasers and phosphorswhich should ensure a luminous flux of 1,100 lumens, colorimetric performance as a minimum equal to the current models and an expected duration of the illumination system of considerably higher.
Clearly not part of the normal Pro (RSxx) or consumer (Xxx) series of projectors we see at CEDIA. Something higher end perhaps or intended for a different market. With interchangeable lens probably neans no Len Memory and perhaps no power focus, zoom and/or lens shift. Maybe not even good CR. Also no mention of 4K signal inputs, only upscaled,

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According to the press release the title of the thread needs to be changed:

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The DLA-VS2400ZG delivers a 5.1 megapixel equivalent image via JVC’s proprietary e-shift technology, along with 18,000:1 native contrast ratio and a minimum of 900 ANSI lumens.... The DLA-2400ZG is available now and includes a 2x zoom lens with manual focus and lens shift.
So that means the resolution, when eshift is enabled, is 2,592 x 1,944. Does that mean the native resolution is 4x less? No powered zoom or focus, it doesn't look like a DI is included and a drop in native CR performance compared to the lamp based counterpart. Pfew, and I was initially very upset they didn't mention this model at CEDIA, now I see why. Hopefully next year we get a true 4K model or even a 1080p eshift with this light engine.

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understood, at least they are tinkering with the laser sources early enough that it could make it into the fall consumer models. The photo from that news report appears that it's a derivative of the current chassis.
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If the native on/off is 18,000:1 (like the VW1100) and JVC modulates the laser for added contrast (like the Epson does) then they may have a really good HT projector. I won't dismiss it before seeing it. If JVC sells it worldwide then it may force Sony and Epson to do the same with their new projectors -- let's have some competition.
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing one myself. I did notice the press release was released last December. Have they updated this model with true 1080p DILA chips or does AV Magazine have incorrect information?
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Looks like a good Sony alternative for people interested in video games:

"Latency: <= 25ms w/1080p60 Input"

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/s...&feature_id=03

This page claims it's a bulb based projector. Has anyone found a price on this unit?
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Clearly not part of the normal Pro (RSxx) or consumer (Xxx) series of projectors we see at CEDIA. Something higher end perhaps or intended for a different market. With interchangeable lens probably neans no Len Memory and perhaps no power focus, zoom and/or lens shift. Maybe not even good CR. Also no mention of 4K signal inputs, only upscaled,
Base on the announcement of JVC professional series is the simulation projector, I think simulation means the flight simulation.
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Base on the announcement of JVC professional series is the simulation projector, I think simulation means the flight simulation.

In fact the offsite JVC Pro site at CEDIA had one of their simulation projectors with a Laser/phosphor light engine sitting on display. There weren't JVC Pro nearby at the time I saw it do I didn't get any info and I wasn't especially interested given it specialized application.

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It hasn't been a secret that JVC has been working on this laser hybrid, check out the JVC 2015 thread there is a video I posted there where the JVC Chief Engineer talked about the laser module and that was in December 2013.

It is intended to be an upgrade module not just for the VS-2400 line but the VS2200 and VS2100 line as well.

Also the VS can come with a lens or without a lens. It is optional. I have the VS-2200 at work with the lens and March is when we are projected to refresh our Video Teleconference Suite which will utilize a laser engine. Seeing how the chassis for the VS-2400 is exactly the same. I'm certain they pulled it off.

Biggest question now would be price. I would gladly pay < $1K for this.
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JVC is an interesting company, they don't seem as anxious to get their products out there to the media like the other vendors. If I were them, with a full continuation of existing models amongst competitors @ Cedia 2014, I would have been talking about this to get people excited.

imo this is great news, this could mean they already have the laser light sources ready for the fall 2015 models. Full HDMI chips should be readily available by the time they need to start cooking the UHD hardware.

do we have a time machine, just need to fast-forward 12 months for a few minutes...

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1100 lumens and then after calibration its 800 - 1000 ? Sounds a little to little, not ?

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1100 lumens and then after calibration its 800 - 1000 ? Sounds a little to little, not ?

Dj
This thing would probably look great simulating a view from a cockpit on a curved screen with at least two of these projectors blended.
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I just came back from CEDIA and was told that this projector may be announced next week by their pro division for the major part of their business working with simulators for Boeing and other companies. I was told that the simulator business is much bigger in dollars than the home theater business. I also visited the non-pro demo and was told that JVC wanted to wait for the full HDCP 2.2 chips and specs to become available. I also got the impression that they are working on a 4k panel. One rep in the non-pro told me that we could expect something even before CEDIA next year.
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Hope is back again. We could be getting a fully compatible (unlike the Sonys) 4k Laser JVC model in less than a year!
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I just came back from CEDIA and was told that this projector may be announced next week by their pro division for the major part of their business working with simulators for Boeing and other companies. I was told that the simulator business is much bigger in dollars than the home theater business. I also visited the non-pro demo and was told that JVC wanted to wait for the full HDCP 2.2 chips and specs to become available. I also got the impression that they are working on a 4k panel. One rep in the non-pro told me that we could expect something even before CEDIA next year.

They have had a 4k chip for years. I can't imagine it is going to be to difficult for them to come up with a smaller chip.

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They have had a 4k chip for years. I can't imagine it is going to be to difficult for them to come up with a smaller chip.
Yes, shouldn't be difficult to make it smaller, just zap it with a shrink ray and its done

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Not sure if this was posted already. Lots of good info.

20K-40K hours depending on use. 30K contrast. Sensor for automatic color correction. Low input lag for gaming. Shipping in January. No price given.

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No updates on this jvc laser pj folks?
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No updates on this jvc laser pj folks?
A unit tailored for home theater, no. But if all you want a laser JVC projector you can buy one right now from their flight simulation division. You'll have to wait until the end of the year at CEDIA to hear what JVC will bestow upon us in terms of a new unit(s).
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A unit tailored for home theater, no. But if all you want a laser JVC projector you can buy one right now from their flight simulation division. You'll have to wait until the end of the year at CEDIA to hear what JVC will bestow upon us in terms of a new unit(s).
But they don't sell to costumers I believe from the flight simulation division. Yes I heard the army division was already testing and later the open market will come... let's wait then.
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