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post #2431 of 2650 Old 12-29-2016, 12:19 AM
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Hehe he is on about it here too
@cdnscg if you don't believe the specs sheet and facts not sure anyone can help you but good luck getting WCG out of a 300.

I think you should get the basics right.

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Is any owner of the 300/350ES seeing a real benefit from the new 4K blu-ray players? According to Bandyka, "the 300ES isn't compatible at all" when discussing improvement in WCG.
Yes, you get 4k/24p and 10 or 12-bit. You can send BT2020 and it will take it and see if you like it compared to Rec709. HDR is a no go no matter what. Whether you like this projector relative to the newer models or its competitors from the same time is another thing altogether.
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Hehe he is on about it here too
@cdnscg if you don't believe the specs sheet and facts not sure anyone can help you but good luck getting WCG out of a 300.

I think you should get the basics right.
Yes, for sure you don't get BT2020 like anything that is designed for pushing further out to P3 and beyond but you do get beyond Rec 709 to a limited extent (xv color). I don't know how much. I also find that with some content sending it WCG creates some scenes to be way too dark compared to 4k/24p 12-bit Rec. 709. If I were deciding today for sure I wouldn't buy this projector unless the price was so good I wanted to live with all its limits (HDR, WCG, lens, etc.) compared to other projectors today and possibly some from that generation as well.
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Hehe he is on about it here too
@cdnscg if you don't believe the specs sheet and facts not sure anyone can help you but good luck getting WCG out of a 300.

I think you should get the basics right.
You'r missing the point. I've had the UB900 as you know, and aware of its capabilities. Its your 'in and out / good and bad' on the topic that's what I can't believe. You post here and in the UB900 thread, making statements that clearly imply if someone uses an Integral they can achieve much more with non-HDR ps's including the 300ES. I guess its just the way you roll HEHE
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You'r missing the point. I've had the UB900 as you know, and aware of its capabilities. Its your 'in and out / good and bad' on the topic that's what I can't believe. You post here and in the UB900 thread, making statements that clearly imply if someone uses an Integral they can achieve much more with non-HDR ps's including the 300ES. I guess its just the way you roll HEHE
Yeah I guess you've got some issues with me (no idea why) that's fine. You are clearly misunderstanding the whole exercise you need to read and read, show me one instance where I said you can achieve WCG with the Fury on the 300. It's the LS10000 which I have is what I am referring to, you should really try to read and understand before making comments as such. There were some older TVs reported as well that are WCG but not HDR capable. You are the one stirring things up and misleading owners.

I specifically said that you cannot do WCG with the 300 which is fact but I guess you just made up your mind to bug me for some reason. It's all there written down you can push your agenda all day long it won't change anything. You seem to pick some info that hurts your feelings for whatever reason and ignore the rest which is what I am going to do with you. Have fun.

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Yeah I guess you've got some issues with me (no idea why) that's fine. You are clearly misunderstanding the whole exercise you need to read and read, show me one instance where I said you can achieve WCG with the Fury on the 300. It's the LS10000 which I have is what I am referring to, you should really try to read and understand before making comments as such. There were some older TVs reported as well that are WCG but not HDR capable. You are the one stirring things up and misleading owners.

I specifically said that you cannot do WCG with the 300 which is fact but I guess you just made up your mind to bug me for some reason. It's all there written down you can push your agenda all day long it won't change anything. You seem to pick some info that hurts your feelings for whatever reason and ignore the rest which is what I am going to do with you. Have fun.
No hurts feelings here, I hope the same for you. Lets call it a day on this one, and move on
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hi guys,

new member here and owner of the Sony VW300ES sind May of 2015
wanted to share that yesterday i watched my first 4k disc (finally) usind the oppo 203 --> Namibia – The Spirit Of Wilderness. Love the smooth 50p video and the 4k details too bad this projector does not have HDR.. but other then that, i am satisfied with the projector.
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hi guys,

new member here and owner of the Sony VW300ES sind May of 2015
wanted to share that yesterday i watched my first 4k disc (finally) usind the oppo 203 --> Namibia – The Spirit Of Wilderness. Love the smooth 50p video and the 4k details too bad this projector does not have HDR.. but other then that, i am satisfied with the projector.
What do you mean by "50p" video _ 50 fps (frames per second) ?
If you have the movie "Deepwater Horizon", either on regular Blu-ray or UHD, do you have severe colour banding at the very beginning of the movie ?
It opens up where there are shots of the ocean under water.
I've tried a every setting on my HTPC and in Madvr and it won't go away, I'm wondering if it's in the source.
It would be interesting to see if the "Oppo" does any better.

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What do you mean by "50p" video _ 50 fps (frames per second) ?
If you have the movie "Deepwater Horizon", either on regular Blu-ray or UHD, do you have severe colour banding at the very beginning of the movie ?
It opens up where there are shots of the ocean under water.
I've tried a every setting on my HTPC and in Madvr and it won't go away, I'm wondering if it's in the source.
It would be interesting to see if the "Oppo" does any better.
Hi JeffR1,
yes i mean 50fps. This documentary is the first UHD disc with 50 fps.
I will check the Deepwater Horizon movie tonight on my Oppo about color banding, i have a mkv version of it.

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yes i mean 50fps. This documentary is the first UHD disc with 50 fps.
I will check the Deepwater Horizon movie tonight on my Oppo about color banding, i have a mkv version of it.

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Thanks, it would be better if you have the original disc, but I guess the MKV file would work.
It depends how much it was compressed, assuming that it was.
How big is the file ?
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new member here and owner of the Sony VW300ES sind May of 2015

wanted to share that yesterday i watched my first 4k disc (finally) usind the oppo 203 --> Namibia – The Spirit Of Wilderness. Love the smooth 50p video and the 4k details too bad this projector does not have HDR.. but other then that, i am satisfied with the projector.

Great to hear! Have you tried stripping the HDR metadata using the Oppo 203 so you can maintain the bt2020 wide color gamut? The VW300/350 can't do the full gamut, but it can push it out further than standard bt709. I noticed an improvement in the colors when I tried it on my old VW350.
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Thanks, it would be better if you have the original disc, but I guess the MKV file would work.

It depends how much it was compressed, assuming that it was.

How big is the file ?


Jeff, its in the source mate. Would need 10bit colour in that shot to not have banding, the gradient is far too subtle for 8 bit.

It was only very subtle on my setup. Have you got MadVR's banding correction turned on?

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Jeff, its in the source mate. Would need 10bit colour in that shot to not have banding, the gradient is far too subtle for 8 bit.

It was only very subtle on my setup. Have you got MadVR's banding correction turned on?
Thanks Javs, that's good to hear it's from the source.
Yes tried a number of different settings in MadVR, but they are still quite pronounced.
Maybe that's the best it will get.
I'll post some screen shots of my settings when I get home.
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I pretty much went through all the settings in the first screen shot, but very little change had occurred in reducing the banding.
The NVIDIA control panel is set at RGB 8bit, 0-255, 1080p.
It has to be set at 1080p to allow those settings, choosing 2160p, I lose the RGB settings and the 0-255.
Setting at 16-235 looks just horrible.
What settings are you using ?







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I pretty much went through all the settings in the first screen shot, but very little change had occurred in reducing the banding.
The NVIDIA control panel is set at RGB 8bit, 0-255, 1080p.
It has to be set at 1080p to allow those settings, choosing 2160p, I lose the RGB settings and the 0-255.
Setting at 16-235 looks just horrible.
What settings are you using ?
Hey,

Update your MadVR version, its very old. With the newest version use these settings if you have a halfway decent graphics card. If your graphics card struggles, simple turn down NGU to the next lowest setting and try again.

Here is Deepwater horizon, did a test with MadVR and VLC which is essentially vanilla, no processing. You can see banding pretty clearly in the VLC one, MadVR does a good job mitigating it. The timecodes are not identical here, but this shot hand banding all the way through it on VLC.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/196781

Here is a bonus shot from Sully, just been having a look at how good MadVR is now, it never fails to amaze me. I would definitely reccomend doing EVERYTHING you can to get a proper 2160p source working to your 300ES. You wont regret it. The gains are huge...

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Thanks Javs !
I'll get to this later, busy days ahead at work _ off to bed early.


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I plan to get a new one pending the outcome of RedFox and Cyberlink Power DVD17.
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Thanks, it would be better if you have the original disc, but I guess the MKV file would work.
It depends how much it was compressed, assuming that it was.
How big is the file ?
The file is 8.5 GB and i noticed the color banding...

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Great to hear! Have you tried stripping the HDR metadata using the Oppo 203 so you can maintain the bt2020 wide color gamut? The VW300/350 can't do the full gamut, but it can push it out further than standard bt709. I noticed an improvement in the colors when I tried it on my old VW350.
i did tried stripping metadata but with standard color gamut. I will tonight with the bt2020 to see if i will also notice some improvement, thanks for the tip!
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Hey,

Update your MadVR version, its very old. With the newest version use these settings if you have a halfway decent graphics card. If your graphics card struggles, simple turn down NGU to the next lowest setting and try again.

Here is Deepwater horizon, did a test with MadVR and VLC which is essentially vanilla, no processing. You can see banding pretty clearly in the VLC one, MadVR does a good job mitigating it. The timecodes are not identical here, but this shot hand banding all the way through it on VLC.

My 980 did OK, the computer shut down only when "activate 200% super sampling" was checked.
Not a night an day difference, but worth the effort to upgrade, thanks for taking the time to post the screen shots !
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Today, I saw a Sony 350ES on a 120" diagonal black-grey screen, in a dark room, at about 13 ft.
Do any of you see video/mosquito noise, video processing noise, lack of sharpness or clarity, and screen door effect, in the 350? Perhaps it was a problem with the unit I saw?
Comparing the Sony 350 Vs 675 - is there a significant difference or just a "slight improvement", between the two?
The sony 350 is an expensive projector and I would have expected it to be excellent. What am I missing?
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Never saw any of that, especially screen door. The 365 is a nice improvement over the 350, so it's a no brainer the 675 with an iris is even better.
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Today, I saw a Sony 350ES on a 120" diagonal black-grey screen, in a dark room, at about 13 ft.
Do any of you see video/mosquito noise, video processing noise, lack of sharpness or clarity, and screen door effect, in the 350? Perhaps it was a problem with the unit I saw?
Comparing the Sony 350 Vs 675 - is there a significant difference or just a "slight improvement", between the two?
The sony 350 is an expensive projector and I would have expected it to be excellent. What am I missing?
If you're nosing around and think you're going to get a good deal on a native 4K projector, I would stay away from the 350es.
Sony's lack of commitment to deal with obvious issues like contrast degradation, poor quality lenses, posterization, colour banding, panels that are driven at only 8bits etc. I wouldn't go near any of them.
While my 300es doesn't have any of the symptoms you described, it's limitations of the mother board is out of date.
It can't do RGB, 0-255, 2160p at 60FPS.

If you had to buy something right now I would go with a JVC.

See this:
In the first screen shots of Lucy, you can see the posterization and colour banding in the Sony.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...ony-320es.html

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I went to see a demo locally of the Sony 320 projector (so I could get a feel for the 675) which was hooked up to an Oppo 203 UltraHD player. They were playing the UltraHD version of Revenant towards in the end in the snow which looked impressively sharp and free of noise. Then they played a scene from the UltraHD copy of Independence Day Resurgence where the Orb is about to fire on the moon. The dark space scenes looked excellent, however during the scene it jumps to the bright control room and the image had a digital, noisy quality to it with no depth at all. It put me off. I couldn't check to see if it was due to the settings they were using, the source, or the projector itself.

Just wanted to know if this is normal or what I saw was not an accurate representation of the Sony through how it had been setup.
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I'll have my 675 tomorrow. Give us the chapter that scene is in and I can check it on mine.
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..however during the scene it jumps to the bright control room and the image had a digital, noisy quality to it with no depth at all. It put me off...
Just wanted to know if this is normal or what I saw was not an accurate representation of the Sony through how it had been setup.
The 4k demo I saw on the sony 360, was mostly undersea/bright. It was fine. I did not see any noise. The image was ok but it was simply not amazing - which I expected the 4k to be.. Obviously, it cannot be compared to a 4k lcd or oled, which are just amazing.. but I am less than impressed with the sony 4k.
Mike Garrett at AVS here, offered great deal on the RS600.. I passed it, only because, based on prior experience, I liked the picture on a Sony projector. I had owned a couple, including my current Qualia 004 (2k picture continues to be amazing on it).
In the past, I didn't believe the Sony nay sayers - like seegs108 and Andreas21 - I thought they were being overly biased against Sony. I guess they proved themselves to be right.. because the sony 360 I saw was simply awful. Even my old epson 8430 shows a better 2k picture (less contrast but it is noise free).
I am suspecting that, among other things, the Sony 350 has a processing issue to display 2k content.
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I am suspecting that, among other things, the Sony 350 has a processing issue to display 2k content.
I don't know what to tell you but this weekend I was watching the After Earth BD and I could not get over how good the picture looked. Lot's of depth, great colors, etc. We also watched the Deep Water Horizon BD yesterday. Terrific picture. I can also tell you I had the pj recently calibrated and as part of that the panel alignment was tweaked which, on the test image showed a definite improvement. So at least for my 350 I would not say it has a problem with 2k sources if the sources are good. On the other hand we watched The Exorcist BD and the source there, while significantly better than past releases, just doesn't measure up to some of today's work/discs. Now what Seegs and Andreas say is likely the case for mine as well since in this calibration it was clear that gamma had changed considerably, contrast was a bit off, etc.

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The 4k demo I saw on the sony 360, was mostly undersea/bright. It was fine. I did not see any noise. The image was ok but it was simply not amazing - which I expected the 4k to be.. Obviously, it cannot be compared to a 4k lcd or oled, which are just amazing.. but I am less than impressed with the sony 4k.
Mike Garrett at AVS here, offered great deal on the RS600.. I passed it, only because, based on prior experience, I liked the picture on a Sony projector. I had owned a couple, including my current Qualia 004 (2k picture continues to be amazing on it).
In the past, I didn't believe the Sony nay sayers - like seegs108 and Andreas21 - I thought they were being overly biased against Sony. I guess they proved themselves to be right.. because the sony 360 I saw was simply awful. Even my old epson 8430 shows a better 2k picture (less contrast but it is noise free).
I am suspecting that, among other things, the Sony 350 has a processing issue to display 2k content.

Do you know whether the Sony had any of the known degradation issues, contributing to what you saw?
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Do you know whether the Sony had any of the known degradation issues, contributing to what you saw?
I would not know the hours or about degradation. Contrast seemed visually superior to my Sony Qualia. As you know, it is very difficult to tell visually, any degradation of contrast, especially for a non owner.
Over all, the contrast looked fine. As I wrote, it was a black-grey screen - quite dark, actually. Room was completely dark.
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I would not know the hours or about degradation. Contrast seemed visually superior to my Sony Qualia. As you know, it is very difficult to tell visually, any degradation of contrast, especially for a non owner.
Over all, the contrast looked fine. As I wrote, it was a black-grey screen - quite dark, actually. Room was completely dark.
Could be there was something not set right. Have had the Sony 300ES for 2 yrs, and am still very pleased of the upscaled 4k image. I've had an Epson, and the JVC RS55, but prefer the 300ES picture.
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If you're nosing around and think you're going to get a good deal on a native 4K projector, I would stay away from the 350es...
If you had to buy something right now I would go with a JVC.
I was not considering the 350. I was considering the 675. But now, I will not buy any Sony - for a while. If I were to, I would buy the JVC RS600 - I have to say - Seegs108 and Andreas21 have proven themselves to be correct - at least based on my first Sony viewing.

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In the first screen shots of Lucy, you can see the posterization and colour banding in the Sony.
I did see your comparison pictures, even in the past. Honestly, I can't see any banding or posterization. Both pics seemed fine, the 2nd one seemed to have higher contrast. At this size, I cannot tell the difference.. Now you know, how bad that 350 I saw, had to be, that even I could see the video noise and possible posterization.. I am not sure I know what posterization exactly means.
For example, the worst posterization I had seen was on a samsung 65" LCD TV. The image would actually go in and out of focus and become soft and sharp, rapidly. That was the worst! The picture at Costco was amazing and once I fed 2k from Dish network, it turned horribly posterized.
The 350 was not as bad to the extent that the picture did not turn soft. The edges had visible noise. The over all picture was noisy and as I wrote, it had a screen door effect. could the screen door effect be, from the screen (probably so).
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Could be there was something not set right. Have had the Sony 300ES for 2 yrs, and am still very pleased of the upscaled 4k image. I've had an Epson, and the JVC RS55, but prefer the 300ES picture.
The owner of the projector I viewed does not know anything about audio/video. He would not even touch any of the settings. He did not even know the model number, until he found the email/invoice.
I would like to should see another Sony projector. Perhaps a 675.
Any volunteers in the Milwaukee area? Chicago northern suburbs would be fine too.
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