Originally Posted by Andreas21
I am very interested in UHD BD and HDR and would like to see it as it is intended by the colorist and director, but I dont think it will be very well implemented the first generation and I dont want to buy a cheap Samsung UHD player just to try it. Of corse I imported a HD DVD player from the US as soon as it was awailable so I might have to reconcider my statements later and that is why I leave the door open for the X7000.
I dont understand why you concider the VW520 when it is in the same situation as the X5000 not supporting P3/DCI and will have less contrast and less lighoutput, but it is of corse native 4K. I see the X5000 to be a better option than the VW520 due to the much better on/off and much lower price.
The Samsung UHD Bluray player is only the first announced. I would bet that Sony will announce their own player along with the 1200ES (the first projector fully compliant with UHD Bluray), most likely at CEDIA or at the latest at CES. They can't launch UHD Bluray and not have a UHD Bluray player and fully compliant projector. I also expect Panasonic and others to do the same and announce their player by the end of the year, and Oppo sometime in 2016. So there will be plenty of options. The cheapest of all of these will do me fine as long as it has the streaming options I want (mostly Amazon HDR) and a USB port to plug-in a compliant HDD for offline storage of the movies.
I consider the 520ES because I'm not as obsessed as others with on/off contrast as the sole indication of PQ. It's hugely important to me, but the better ANSI on the Sony native 4K and their decent DI in limited mode made the 500ES very close to be as good or better than the X500 except in low APL (with max brightness set to min, so max native on/off). As I watch a lot of dark content (thrilers, sci-fi), and because the 500ES was so far from being compliant with any of the upcoming formats, I went for a cheap but excellent X500 as a stop-gap for this year, but if the 520ES has made any progress in black level and on/off (as the 50% improvement in DI performance might suggest), it might become, from a PQ point of view, a serious contender now that it's almost fully compliant, bar P3 support.
I need to see them both (the X7000 and the 520ES) because the specs only help up to a point. What's going to make the difference between the two is how well HDR is implemented, and how the DI deals with it. I honestly don't need to see the new projectors for HD content, apart from the streaking I'm 1000% happy with the X500. The only thing I'm interested in is how the new PJ handle UHD Bluray and UHDTV.
The lack of P3 support is a bummer on the 520ES, but depending on how well they handle the conversion from P3 to rec-709 (I don't have any illusion that triluminos will give us anything significantly wider than rec-709 based on the native gamut of the 500ES), I might decide to go for it, simply because I like to keep projectors longer and I believe a native 4K projector like the 520ES which is almost fully compliant for 99% of the potential buyers will hold its value better if I keep it for 2-3 years, which is what I'd like to do if I upgrade the X500 this year.
Apart from the streaking, one thing that annoys me is the way the JVCs add some noise to the picture, which the Sony 4K don't do. That's another reason, along with better ANSI, much better 3D, better motion (pending the enhanced motion), better OOTB calibration, why I'm considering the 520ES, provided its 18Gb/s HDMI 2.0 interface is confirmed (otherwise it's the X7000, I won't even consider the 520ES).
Yes it won't be playing UHD Bluray 100% perfect, but if it's good enough in the way it handles it especially re HDR and P3 to rec-709 conversion, and if it's made enough progress re black levels and native on/off so that I can watch thrillers and sci-fi without missing my X500, then I might go for it.
I'm thinking about TCO (total cost of ownership) over the next few years rather than purchase cost, and in my case the 520ES might be a better option. Whatever I upgrade to this year, I keep 2-3 years, as the next one will definitely be laser and native 4K. The idea is to avoid the 1st gen from JVC
The best option would be to buy the 1200ES, and if I could justify it that's what I would buy this year, but that would cost me a divorce, so not really an option for me
Also, given my screen size, it would be, as Mike puts it, like using a hammer to swat a fly
. I don't need/want such a big/power hungry projector to light up an 88" screen in a small room with one row. That wouldn't make much sense...
The X7000 would be great because I wouldn't even have to tell my wife. I just have to say that the X500 is broken and is replaced under warranty. She'll never know