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post #31 of 3286 Old 10-30-2015, 11:22 AM
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Some info I got from someone who talked with Sony directly. 665 will do 90% of P3 and the SXRD panels are 12-bit. The projector overall is 10 bit due to other parts in the path (most likely HDMI board at a minimum). No other info. I am not sure if I will get one of these for review or if Tom Norton will handle it, but I hope to get the opportunity to sit down with one at some point. I missed it at CEDIA as I guess it was only shown to press before the show and then swapped for the 5000ES (which has my head scratching, wish someone could have physically LOOKED at the projector to actually confirm it was indeed the 665). Sony has shown me too many demos that are more than suspect for me to take their word for it at that kind of demo. Their HDR demo using flat panels at CEDIA this year was almost a laughable joke.
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Some info I got from someone who talked with Sony directly. 665 will do 90% of P3 and the SXRD panels are 12-bit. The projector overall is 10 bit due to other parts in the path (most likely HDMI board at a minimum). No other info. I am not sure if I will get one of these for review or if Tom Norton will handle it, but I hope to get the opportunity to sit down with one at some point. I missed it at CEDIA as I guess it was only shown to press before the show and then swapped for the 5000ES (which has my head scratching, wish someone could have physically LOOKED at the projector to actually confirm it was indeed the 665). Sony has shown me too many demos that are more than suspect for me to take their word for it at that kind of demo. Their HDR demo using flat panels at CEDIA this year was almost a laughable joke.
I don't know why they don't have all their projectors being demo'd continuously in separate booths like JVC does.
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SONY should have brought the price to the same level as in Japan about $7200 and they would have sold a boat load of them instead they are greedy!

SONY VPL-VW515ES which equivalent to VPL-VW520ES or VPL-VW665ES

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BD%E3...174474&sr=1-12

So no thanks I guess it will just be like OLED in a couple of years we will see 4K projectors for $3,000 Epson any one?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...ema_5030UB.htm

See what competition does once Epson, JVC and others release 4K we will se price come down until then the US will overpay
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Why do you keep posting that? This is how it's been from Sony for ALL of the Sony 4K models for the past 4 years. The price delta between Japan and US has always been that high. Many have imported because of this. But obviously you lose your warranty.
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Why do you keep posting that? This is how it's been from Sony for ALL of the Sony 4K models for the past 4 years. The price delta between Japan and US has always been that high. Many have imported because of this. But obviously you lose your warranty.
I didn't know it was always like that! I don't think JVC does that but I may be wrong
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Hi Craig!

I think it may be because they didn't want to compete with the 5K in any way. I'm afraid the 665, albeit not a light canon but brighter this go round, would have thrown an overall better picture than the 5K at $45k less, smaller screen of course. That's a big price difference

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FYI, There was a 665 upstairs in the Sony training room that also did the JVC vs Sony shootout.
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I have the VW515 which is the VW665 equivalent for the Japanese market (I live in Japan). As mentioned above it looks identical to the 500ES model it replaced. The menu is Japanese only and the remote is in English. I used the calibration pro software to adjust the settings and all is good. Now I just need to find HDR content to make a comparison.
@cischico : I also have the VW515ES. Where can I get the software to do the settings. thanks for your great support.

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Some info I got from someone who talked with Sony directly. 665 will do 90% of P3 and the SXRD panels are 12-bit. The projector overall is 10 bit due to other parts in the path (most likely HDMI board at a minimum). No other info. I am not sure if I will get one of these for review or if Tom Norton will handle it, but I hope to get the opportunity to sit down with one at some point. I missed it at CEDIA as I guess it was only shown to press before the show and then swapped for the 5000ES (which has my head scratching, wish someone could have physically LOOKED at the projector to actually confirm it was indeed the 665). Sony has shown me too many demos that are more than suspect for me to take their word for it at that kind of demo. Their HDR demo using flat panels at CEDIA this year was almost a laughable joke.
Kris - I was at the Thur. morning Sony CEDIA press event and what happened was about 15 min. before the event was due to start they were having some sort of issue with the VW5000 and they carried a VW665 in and set it up instead for the demo. They said the VW5000 would be up and running for the demos later in the day (and it was).
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Thanks Ron! Did seem odd to switch for a single demo, makes more sense now. I am told my VW665 review unit should be to me sometime this week. Looking forward to putting it thru the paces.

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Folks on the German forum went to a demo of the new JVC X7000 (RS500) vs the Sony vw520 projector, on a massive screen.
The general concensus seemed to be: Sony image a bit sharper and smoother (less image noise), JVC more contrast/deeper blacks, richer color (though I think the JVC was calibrated to a wider color space). I think most are interested in the JVC, though
they say it's really close.

To me it's interesting that the JVCs are keeping up to the Sony 4K models this year, but in a way it's almost just as surprising that the Sony's are apparently doing well against the JVCs. I'd almost think that a projector as bright or brighter than the Sony with the superior JVC's contrast, like the RS500, would almost be a slam dunk win overall. But Sony apparently still brings the goods to the table.
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I too saw those comments about the "noise" in the JVC on the German forum.

That is the first time I've heard this about the JVC vs Sony. Those of you who have compared previous model years of both - did you see more noise in the JVC?
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I too saw those comments about the "noise" in the JVC on the German forum.

That is the first time I've heard this about the JVC vs Sony. Those of you who have compared previous model years of both - did you see more noise in the JVC?
I've found my current JVC RS57 a bit more noisy than previous models (My RS20 was the least noisy, really smooth, the RS55 a bit more noisy, but the MPC was much easier to dial to mitigate this. The MPC of the RS57 is a nightmare and I don't bother with it much. I'm glad to read the MPC controls are much better for the new models). I'd also think the much brighter images will exacerbate any artifacts.
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I've found my current JVC RS57 a bit more noisy than previous models (My RS20 was the least noisy, really smooth, the RS55 a bit more noisy, but the MPC was much easier to dial to mitigate this. The MPC of the RS57 is a nightmare and I don't bother with it much. I'm glad to read the MPC controls are much better for the new models). I'd also think the much brighter images will exacerbate any artifacts.
Right, I was thinking light output and gamma variances could/would play a role.
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I too saw those comments about the "noise" in the JVC on the German forum.

That is the first time I've heard this about the JVC vs Sony. Those of you who have compared previous model years of both - did you see more noise in the JVC?
As briefly scribbled here and here in the other 520 thread, the slight "noise" or "uneasiness" I found in the X5000 vs. the feeling of looking at something rock solid and perfectly calm on the 520 (saw them side-by-side), was a strong reason for me choosing to switch to Sony from JVC this generation.

In my view the slight contrast difference (getting smaller with every generation it seems if the german forum scribblings above among other notes I see on the internet are correct) and the enormous US price difference is often making Sony come out as inferior on these forums, in my humble opinion.

When, as in Europe, the price difference can be mitigated those stable, very hi-res, panels become very attractive if you're rocking a 142" screen you sit 4,3m from!

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There was some mention of plastic lens elements... plastic lens elements are not necessarily there because they are less expensive than glass. Some exceptional photographic lenses made by Canon and Nikon have plastic elements. The choice of materials in a high-performance lens is (usually) made to achieve specific goals. Computer lens modeling has revolutionized lens design, allowing (properly designed) plastic elements to equal or even outperform a glass counterpart. Some plastic lens elements are NOT less costly than a glass element either. It's not right to assume a lens with 1 or more plastic elements is not as good as a similar lens with all-glass elements. I'm not saying the 665 lens is better or worse than the same lens with all-glass elements. I'm just saying you can't use plastic alone as a criteria for deciding that any given lens is not as good as I would be with all glass elements. The reality is... a lens with 1 or more plastic elements can be as good as, worse than, or better than the same lens with glass elements. There are just too many design variables to say plastic is always an indicator of lower performance.
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questions on the new sony 665 es

does the new sony 665es do 3d in 4k or is it still in hd like older models.
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I believe Cine4home have indicated on the german forum that their SONY VW520 review should be up tomorrow.
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does the new sony 665es do 3d in 4k or is it still in hd like older models.
No 3D in 4K, for any model.
Someone correct me here if I'm wrong, but it has something to do with the lack processing power to render 8 million pixels in 3D.

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3D at 4K is not supported by the UHD specification so there is no material available and no projectors/tvs able to show it. It doesn't even exist in professional cinemas IIRC. However 3D 4K at 24Hz requires less bandwidth than 4K 60Hz which is part of the UHD specification so it's not only bandwidth related.
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Here's the sony owners thread for this model, which may help with questions u may have

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...vpl-vw665.html
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Here's the sony owners thread for this model, which may help with questions u may have

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Aren't we in that/this thread?
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The moderator has merged the previous thread that my post was in with the master thread the owners thread that I linked
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Im having drop outs on my sony 665 / 520es. Im using monoprice redmere cables 15meters and marantz sr 6008. My source is popcorn hour media player. Weird thing is sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and drops signal.

When i plug the projector straight to popcorn hour it works.

What could be the problem? Cable? AV receiver? Settings?
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I had similar issues with a Redmere cable with my 1100ES. I bought a new Monoprice 18Gbps rated HDMI cable. The older Redmere didn't seem to have enough data throughput capabilities for some of the 4K signals I was sending, or it didn't particularly like this specific cable. Once I swapped it out, I didn't have anymore issues.
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I had similar issues with a Redmere cable with my 1100ES. I bought a new Monoprice 18Gbps rated HDMI cable. The older Redmere didn't seem to have enough data throughput capabilities for some of the 4K signals I was sending, or it didn't particularly like this specific cable. Once I swapped it out, I didn't have anymore issues.

What monoprice 18gbps cable did you exactly use?

I was using this one:
Cabernet Ultra CL2 Active High Speed HDMI Cable, 50ft
PID: 12962

It says in the spec 18gbs 4k 60hz up to 50ft.
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What monoprice 18gbps cable did you exactly use?

I was using this one:
Cabernet Ultra CL2 Active High Speed HDMI Cable, 50ft
PID: 12962

It says in the spec 18gbs 4k 60hz up to 50ft.
I'm using one of these cables

http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_...&cs_id=1025508

Mine is 15'.
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I believe Cine4home have indicated on the german forum that their SONY VW520 review should be up tomorrow.
After seeing a demo of the new Sony vpl vw 665 on a Black Diamond 128 inch screen and after seeing the Sony 600 vpl vw with less than 300 hours on it with the same screen and with both projectors that have been calibrated the new Sony vpl vw
In my opinion had that extra pop with the extra brightness That I really liked so I just purchase my Sony vpl vw 665 Today will get it very soon!
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I have the VW515 which is the VW665 equivalent for the Japanese market (I live in Japan). As mentioned above it looks identical to the 500ES model it replaced. The menu is Japanese only and the remote is in English. I used the calibration pro software to adjust the settings and all is good. Now I just need to find HDR content to make a comparison.
Out curiosity mostly -- is it possible to re-flash the 515ES with 520ES firmware (with English menus)? If not -- I wonder if with a bit hex-editing it can be done.
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I'm using one of these cables

http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_...&cs_id=1025508

Mine is 15'.
Is there an 18 Gb/s rated cable for 40' or more? Only saw options up to 15'.
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Is there an 18 Gb/s rated cable for 40' or more? Only saw options up to 15'.
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12962
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