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Both together, they go hand in hand. I can import my curve in MadVR, and MadVR uses that curve to do its tone mapping. I had to recreate it using the custom version of the Arve software that Madshi forked specifically for MadVR.

This is software tone mapping at the end of the day and not display tone mapping any longer, But with that comes more control, so there is no real answer to your question since technically I would still be using the values my curves were created with.

Right now though until this is fully finished I am still just using passthough mode and my curves in the JVC.
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Have you told madvr that your display supports 10bit or greater in the JVC display settings page in the madvr control panel?

Also you could tell madvr the supported resolutions and have it autoswitch from 60p to 23,976. But personally I think you should just be running 23hz the whole time much faster.

You don't want to be using 8 bit for HDR if you can, even though the dithering is good.
Yes, I have set native display bitdepth to 10+ for the JVC in the top folder named 'devices'.

I have gone ahead and setup profiles for 1080p and 2160p but force both to playback at 2160p60. It simply resolves a longstanding issue I have with how the JVC handles motion for 24p playback. Converting the signal to 60hz and utilizing MadVRs smooth motion looks very natural and pleasing to my eyes. Viewing content presented in 2160p60 bt2020 looks outstanding as well though I haven't watched any 4k24 with MadVR yet. I would agree I can probably ramp up to NGU Medium or High for chroma upscaling if I dont convert to to 60hz. As of now I'm living on the edge with NGU Low and a 15.5ms render time. So my only option is RGB 4:4:4 8bit on my gpu, limited in Madvr & JVC -- I'm not detecting any banding and PQ still looks great.

Do you still recommend Error Diffusion 1 + Colored Noise?

Is it absolutely mandatory I use NGU Low for chroma upscaling when playing 2160p60?

I did some A/B tests with "The World" 4K HDR demo between Oppo and MadVR tone mapping. It's really a night/day difference and the colors just jump off the screen with MadVRs tonemapping. The Oppo almost looks washed out in comparison.

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Does anyone have an iRule IP device file for the 2015 models; specifically one that correctly operates the focus, shift, and zoom functions, as well as discrete gamma selection?

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Thanks for the input. Do I put the Vertex on the output of the Oppo, or at the input of the JVC X750R? I have a 50' Monoprice Slimrun AV HDR fiber optic cable running from my equipment at the front of my HT to the projector in the rear. I'm in cetral California , so ChadB is quite far away unfortunately.
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Last night I did a try to send BT2020 SDR from a Panasonic UB700 to a linker and then a RS520. But i did not manage to get it working. On the Panasonic OSD the output show SDR 709 or HDR if enabled on the output line. On the Panasonic I use 444 and HDR Off. On the linker i use edid 10 with no HDR in the name and HDR flag off to get the DI working if using HDR. On the RS520 I use a 709 calibrated custom mode. Anyone know how I can get BT2020 SDR working?
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Why are you using "709 calibrated mode" on the RS520? I don't have the Panasonic (and don't know if the 700 works like the 900) but would assume that the RS520 should be in rec2020 mode.
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It makes sense to use a rec2020 mode to get the colors right. But I believe I should be able to force the player into BT2020 SDR mode. The player gets the edid from the linker.
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You have to have the Panasonic with HDR enabled in the player to get it to do the HDR2020->SDR2020 conversion, if you do, with the right EDID, you should see "Dynamic Range Conversion" displayed in the OSD. If you turn HDR OFF in the player it converts all the way down to SDR709.
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when set up correctly also hit the info button, you will see SDR/BT.2020 in the Panasonic's OSD


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when set up correctly also hit the info button, you will see SDR/BT.2020 in the Panasonic's OSD


Hello everyone! I recently purchased a JVC rs600 and Oppo 203! I don't know "ANYTHING" about calibrating and i would like some help in getting the best possible picture from these devices. So far the blacks are amazing but it sometimes seems it makes the scene darker than it should be. Also, i'm not a fan of the blur effect when things are moving fast. Is there a way to remove the blur effect to make it smooth and natural?? Any help will be appreciated.
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Hello everyone! I recently purchased a JVC rs600 and Oppo 203! I don't know "ANYTHING" about calibrating and i would like some help in getting the best possible picture from these devices. So far the blacks are amazing but it sometimes seems it makes the scene darker than it should be. Also, i'm not a fan of the blur effect when things are moving fast. Is there a way to remove the blur effect to make it smooth and natural?? Any help will be appreciated.
Depends how much you want to do yourself and purchase equipment vs. hiring someone.
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Hello everyone! I recently purchased a JVC rs600 and Oppo 203! I don't know "ANYTHING" about calibrating and i would like some help in getting the best possible picture from these devices. So far the blacks are amazing but it sometimes seems it makes the scene darker than it should be. Also, i'm not a fan of the blur effect when things are moving fast. Is there a way to remove the blur effect to make it smooth and natural?? Any help will be appreciated.
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when set up correctly also hit the info button, you will see SDR/BT.2020 in the Panasonic's OSD




Thank you both for answer. Will try again with Panasonic HDR mode on and EDID 10 on the linker .
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I'm getting emails about registration for CEDIA now being open... Any rumors yet about what advancements we may be seeing from JVC (and Sony) with new models this fall? I've stayed with my RS500, and having passedo n the 520 and 540, I'm thinking that the next models may provide enough incremental changes (including changes since the 520 and 540) to make upgrading worth it for me.
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I won't upgrade myself until they shorten the HDMI sync times.
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I won't upgrade myself until they shorten the HDMI sync times.
Exactly!!!! Totally unacceptable after all these years. The sync times are way too long especially compared to other projectors/displays. Zero excuses at this point. It's the number one thing I'm looking for in any new JVC. I'd rather have that fixed then true 4K panels at this point. Number two wish for me is more lumens while keeping same low black floor. This is needed for improved HDR and 3D too which they better keep. Do that and I'll probably upgrade. Otherwise, I'll stick with my RS500.
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I'm getting emails about registration for CEDIA now being open... Any rumors yet about what advancements we may be seeing from JVC (and Sony) with new models this fall? I've stayed with my RS500, and having passedo n the 520 and 540, I'm thinking that the next models may provide enough incremental changes (including changes since the 520 and 540) to make upgrading worth it for me.
There are some fairly interesting rumors floating around about a native 4K for the 5xx and possibly 4xx series along with a possible laser 4K offering in the 6xx series.
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I won't upgrade myself until they shorten the HDMI sync times.
100% this. I can "live" with the sync time when moving from HD to 4K HDR, but the JVC drives me insane when I change channels on Directv and it needs to re-sync when moving from a 1080 program to a 720. Gets old, really old.

Get rid of the sync times (or drastically reduce them) and give us more brightness, and I'll jump on a new one. Not until then.
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100% this. I can "live" with the sync time when moving from HD to 4K HDR, but the JVC drives me insane when I change channels on Directv and it needs to re-sync when moving from a 1080 program to a 720. Gets old, really old.

Get rid of the sync times (or drastically reduce them) and give us more brightness, and I'll jump on a new one. Not until then.
On the DirecTV issue, I don't know if your box has an option, but on our Time Warner Boxes, there is a setting that will allow the box up output a single resolution (e.g. 1080i), so that it will quickly/immediately handle the upscaling internally, and only output the resolution chosen. If it does, that will at least eliminate the re-sync when changing channels.
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On the DirecTV issue, I don't know if your box has an option, but on our Time Warner Boxes, there is a setting that will allow the box up output a single resolution (e.g. 1080i), so that it will quickly/immediately handle the upscaling internally, and only output the resolution chosen. If it does, that will at least eliminate the re-sync when changing channels.
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There are some fairly interesting rumors floating around about a native 4K for the 5xx and possibly 4xx series along with a possible laser 4K offering in the 6xx series.
that would be great news if it's true. I don't think anyone is asking for e-shift 6 going into 2019.

patience is a virtue! RS600 is still awesome and getting my $$ worth. many thanks to folks like Manni, javs, arve, dominic for their efforts to turn a bad situation into an A+ scenario with UHD HDR content.

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that would be great news if it's true. I don't think anyone is asking for e-shift 6 going into 2019.

patience is a virtue! RS600 is still awesome and getting my $$ worth. many thanks to folks like Manni, javs, arve, dominic for their efforts to turn a bad situation into an A+ scenario with UHD HDR content.

Edit: + @HDfury for his amazing efforts! I love the vertex!
I'm hoping for some updated info shortly from NAB convention a couple of weeks ago. If there's anything further I should know it in a few days.

In total agreement there. My 600 has achieved an excellent 'second wind' in my other install thanks to all this work on gamma curves etc. If the Oppo 203 tone-mapping ever gets fixed or better when the Pana 820 turns up, we've got pretty much all bases covered for our older units. With that said if a true 4K unit turns up at a good price point, I can't say I won't be temped since I'm very like to be building a brand new dedicated HT where I've got my 600 at the moment.
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that would be great news if it's true. I don't think anyone is asking for e-shift 6 going into 2019.

patience is a virtue! RS600 is still awesome and getting my $$ worth. many thanks to folks like Manni, javs, arve, dominic for their efforts to turn a bad situation into an A+ scenario with UHD HDR content.

Edit: + @HDfury for his amazing efforts! I love the vertex!
Man thats crazy you have only done ~1100 hours on yours.

I have already been through 4 JVC's in that time and about 2400 hours or so combined. And I got my first JVC a good 7-8 months or so after you got yours.

Im not in a rush to get a new model though, I am hardcore saving for a house deposit for the next couple years, so big purchases are going to take a back burner... Need to look at the bigger picture...

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There are some fairly interesting rumors floating around about a native 4K for the 5xx and possibly 4xx series along with a possible laser 4K offering in the 6xx series.
If it is true, I would be kind of surprised they would include it in the RS-4xx model, you'd think they'd probably hold out and leave it only for the top 2 models, or the RS-650.
I'm guessing they are going to call it the RS-450, RS-550, RS-650, but I have no idea.

Those are at least logical next model numbers, but knowing JVC they'll probably introduce it as the RS-61 otherwise known as the X-600...
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If it is true, I would be kind of surprised they would include it in the RS-4xx model, you'd think they'd probably hold out and leave it only for the top 2 models, or the RS-650.
I'm guessing they are going to call it the RS-450, RS-550, RS-650, but I have no idea.

Those are at least logical next model numbers, but knowing JVC they'll probably introduce it as the RS-61 otherwise known as the X-600...
Hence my wording in regards to the 4xx as it was passed on to me as 'possibly' getting 4K. It could be a way otherwise, if they do leave it as an e-shift model to fully differentiate the 4xx series from the 5xx and 6xx series.
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I would imagine no matter what happens, there will be a ~$3,999 MSRP JVC next year.
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Man thats crazy you have only done ~1100 hours on yours.

I have already been through 4 JVC's in that time and about 2400 hours or so combined. And I got my first JVC a good 7-8 months or so after you got yours.

Im not in a rush to get a new model though, I am hardcore saving for a house deposit for the next couple years, so big purchases are going to take a back burner... Need to look at the bigger picture...

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I have 3 other projectors here I use quite a bit so the time is divided over the last few years.

This RS600 is a GS after seeing many 500/600's so also not in a rush until the next big thing is released. The 5 year warranty is good till 2020, patience for 2 more years np
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I went from a RS-1 to a RS-57 and am now on a RS-600 with 700 hours... I had the RS-1 for several years and was on my second lamp (remember, they only lasted 2000 hours). The RS-57 was running at 2000 hours...

I cannot believe how much brighter the RS-600 is over the RS-57. I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 gain 108" diagonal and the RS-57 was a tad too dim for me. The RS-600 is running with the iris at -13.

BTW, has anyone noticed that the iris control does not step evenly? At -15, the picture is really dim. At -14, nothing happens. At -13, there is a pretty big jump in brightness. It appears that my iris only increments every other number...

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BTW, has anyone noticed that the iris control does not step evenly? At -15, the picture is really dim. At -14, nothing happens. At -13, there is a pretty big jump in brightness. It appears that my iris only increments every other number...
It's a dual iris so, one in front of the lamp and one behind the lens. So, you hear a long cycle and a short cycle. Seems like it's working just fine.
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It's a dual iris so, one in front of the lamp and one behind the lens. So, you hear a long cycle and a short cycle. Seems like it's working just fine.
Does one of them make a noise (similar to the lens cover opening) when changing positions? I noticed that on the RS520 and not on the RS420.
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