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2 recommended titles that were just released:


The Incredibles UHD + ATMOS update - it looks... incredible. excellent use of WCG, colors popping off the screen + the ATMOS track is worth a listen as well.


Tomb Raider UHD - unexpected surprise, we've had several viewings already. The visuals are A+ (Ralph gave the UHD presentation a 100%) ATMOS track was awesome and there is some hard hitting LFE as well. fun popcorn flick
I have both.. The incredibles is absolutely amazing can't believe its been 14 yrs.. Still amazing.

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2 recommended titles that were just released:


The Incredibles UHD + ATMOS update - it looks... incredible. excellent use of WCG, colors popping off the screen + the ATMOS track is worth a listen as well.


Tomb Raider UHD - unexpected surprise, we've had several viewings already. The visuals are A+ (Ralph gave the UHD presentation a 100%) ATMOS track was awesome and there is some hard hitting LFE as well. fun popcorn flick
I thought the 5.1 DTS-HD sounded better and had way more rear than Atmos. Not as bad as Black Panther Atmos but not great either. What did you think?

I was really impressed with Tomb Raider. Good movie, I wish more people saw it.

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2 recommended titles that were just released:


The Incredibles UHD + ATMOS update - it looks... incredible. excellent use of WCG, colors popping off the screen + the ATMOS track is worth a listen as well.


Tomb Raider UHD - unexpected surprise, we've had several viewings already. The visuals are A+ (Ralph gave the UHD presentation a 100%) ATMOS track was awesome and there is some hard hitting LFE as well. fun popcorn flick
I pasted the Tomb Raider metadata into my spreadsheet and was surprised to see yet another title with Primaries reported as REC.2020, not DCI-P3.

Other recent titles with REC.2020 include The Matrix and Blade Runner 2049; also from Warner Bros. The HBO title Game of Thrones is another.

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Thanks @Javs I will definitely do that.. I will try 400 target nits.. Does it do anything else other than just dimming the brightness at all? Sorry for my ignorance just trying to learn and understand it all.

Also does my other settings all seem OK? Thank you..
I dunno I like your settings especially the 200. On my rs500, target nits of 400 makes everything too dark. I am not interested in sacrificing overall brightness during the entire movie to get 1/10th of a second of better highlights when needed here and there. I'd say try 400 and compare for yourself if you like it better or not. There's nothing wrong with using the 200 just remember it leaves you much less headroom for HDR highlights - but in my opinion projectors aren't too great at this anyway.

Edit: another factor here is your screen size. The larger your screen, the lower your nits on the screen. Consider a 135" screen is about 55 sq feet. If you're running on low lamp at around say 1250 lumens, your lumens per sq foot is about 22.7. Your nits in this case is 244. I run this scenario and enter 200 for my madvr value. If you're willing to crank up lamp power to high, on same size screen, you're looking at about 100 nits more. Likewise, if I run a 96 inch screen, I'm going to be around 484 nits on low lamp and 688 nits high lamp.
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I have both.. The incredibles is absolutely amazing can't believe its been 14 yrs.. Still amazing.
Those cartoon flicks do look amazing.......
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I pasted the Tomb Raider metadata into my spreadsheet and was surprised to see yet another title with Primaries reported as REC.2020, not DCI-P3.

Other recent titles with REC.2020 include The Matrix and Blade Runner 2049; also from Warner Bros. The HBO title Game of Thrones is another.

Are you saying you think this is an error or that they're actually using Rec.2020 colors?
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I thought the 5.1 DTS-HD sounded better and had way more rear than Atmos. Not as bad as Black Panther Atmos but not great either. What did you think?

I was really impressed with Tomb Raider. Good movie, I wish more people saw it.

I'll check it out this weekend. The 3D version of Tomb Raider just arrived, watching it again tonight


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Those cartoon flicks do look amazing.......

The incredibles looks like it's pushing P3 right to the limit which the 500/600 with the filter can handle no problem. Red/Orange/Yellow/Green all looked amazing. I saw one review on bluray forum that didn't give it the props it deserves but not sure what display they were using. This release is no doubt better than the original BD.
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The incredibles looks like it's pushing P3 right to the limit which the 500/600 with the filter can handle no problem. Red/Orange/Yellow/Green all looked amazing. I saw one review on bluray forum that didn't give it the props it deserves but not sure what display they were using. This release is no doubt better than the original BD.
Saw the sequel in Dolby Vision last night and that was Incredible too! Similar to the rooftop scene in the first you'll really appreciate the wider color palette with plenty of shots at twilight. But the real kicker is this one HDR scene that will leave you...um electrified! a must see...

curious how that'd look on a MicroLED Wall. On my RS500, I imagine it will still look impressive and vibrant across the screen especially w/ the new PAnasonic 4K player with optimizer engaged.
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I'll check it out this weekend. The 3D version of Tomb Raider just arrived, watching it again tonight


The bass drop at 01:43 is awesome - hits the 18's & butt kickers hard for some lol moments with guests who aren't ready for it.
I love the 3D versions, unfortunately getting a bit too expensive.

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Has anyone done comparisons between RSx00, RSx20 & RSx40 models? It is my understanding that for movie playback they are very similar, especially the RSx00 & RSx20 models. I once was interested in moving away from the RSx00 models to fix the dark HDR issue but I have fixed that with SDR conversion once I realized even RSx40 owners are still complaining about dark HDR. I'm probably sticking with the 00 for awhile but was curious what you've all seen.

I'm also curious if the tone mapping on the UB420 or UB820 will yield a better picture than SDR Conversion on the UB900...
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Has anyone done comparisons between RSx00, RSx20 & RSx40 models? It is my understanding that for movie playback they are very similar, especially the RSx00 & RSx20 models. I once was interested in moving away from the RSx00 models to fix the dark HDR issue but I have fixed that with SDR conversion once I realized even RSx40 owners are still complaining about dark HDR. I'm probably sticking with the 00 for awhile but was curious what you've all seen.

I'm also curious if the tone mapping on the UB420 or UB820 will yield a better picture than SDR Conversion on the UB900...

Yah pretty much. I have had stacked RSx20 and RSx40 for a few hundred bulb hours in the same room...


The RSx20 and 40 models have identical HDR curves out of the box. They are not very dark when you compare to the crapshow that was Gamma D. But need to be dialled in, its more worth uploading curves on all three models than attempting to dial in the built in modes.


Given that, HDR capability of all three models using custom curves is identical.



I really didnt like how soft eshift 5 was compared to 4, so there is that too..


For me the biggest thing was low latency mode on the x20 models, thats worth a jump from the x00 models IMO, and also I guess if one doesnt want to use curves, the semblence of a working HDR mode in theory, I mean it does at least follow the EOTF properly, those who say its too dark have not the skill to tweak the built in mode to thier actual light output, which is why a custom curve will always win there. That, and you can tailor the shape of the curve with the Arve tool vs only the Gamma sliders...

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Has anyone done comparisons between RSx00, RSx20 & RSx40 models? It is my understanding that for movie playback they are very similar, especially the RSx00 & RSx20 models. I once was interested in moving away from the RSx00 models to fix the dark HDR issue but I have fixed that with SDR conversion once I realized even RSx40 owners are still complaining about dark HDR. I'm probably sticking with the 00 for awhile but was curious what you've all seen.

I'm also curious if the tone mapping on the UB420 or UB820 will yield a better picture than SDR Conversion on the UB900...

I think Javs summed it up well - the motion input lag is what bothers me most and would perhaps be the only reason to upgrade for a later model. It's more tolerable on smaller screens but still thought unacceptable and should've been fixed at that time. Anyway I might consider an upgrade just for that, but will wait after CEDIA.
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I'm also curious if the tone mapping on the UB420 or UB820 will yield a better picture than SDR Conversion on the UB900...

I haven't seen any comparisons yet. I'll still have the UB900 when the UB820 arrives if someone doesn't get to the comparison before then.

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I really didnt like how soft eshift 5 was compared to 4, so there is that too..

I calibrated a 540 recently and got a close look at the e-shift, I definitely prefer e-shift 4. It has better perceived sharpness at seating distance.

Maybe they will carry on the current models with e-shift 6 but there has to be something pending at the next level as you mentioned earlier. Sony with native UHD at 5K MSRP has to get them moving sooner than later.

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Thanks for the replies, that is about what I thought. Between Javs V3 curves, SDR conversion and forthcoming Tone Mapping, I think I'll be able to hold out with the 00 model until 4K Laser...hopefully.
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Maybe they will carry on the current models with e-shift 6 but there has to be something pending at the next level as you mentioned earlier. Sony with native UHD at 5K MSRP has to get them moving sooner than later.

I hope that next level will mainly be focused on a much brighter model so we get to enjoy more color volume. But yes...agree with laser to improve stability and no longer worry about lamps.
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Seeing as we are on topic of HDR>SDR conversion (using MadVR), do Javs curves still apply? I.e. in the User 1 profile mode, for Gamma should it still be on Custom 1 with Javs curves uploaded to it?

Thanks in advance for the input guys, so far haven't been wowed by the JVC as many of you have so clearly I haven't got things up to scratch yet...
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Seeing as we are on topic of HDR>SDR conversion (using MadVR), do Javs curves still apply? I.e. in the User 1 profile mode, for Gamma should it still be on Custom 1 with Javs curves uploaded to it?

Thanks in advance for the input guys, so far haven't been wowed by the JVC as many of you have so clearly I haven't got things up to scratch yet...
A lot of people like Mad VR.

Be sure to take a look at my JVC 4K QuickStart Guide to make sure you're on track. Javs curves are the best to use for HDR. I rarely go back to HDR anymore and am using SDR conversion. I'm looking forward to see how Tone Mapping looks on the new Panasonic players. Not sure about MadVR though. I hear it's great but it looks like a giant hassle.
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Hi guys quick question I know its been discussed a million times but I don't know how to search the forum.... Under graphics mode when feeding it a 4k signal is that supposed to be set on 2k or 4k.. For me at least when im streaming vuvu in 4k i get smoother image when its set to 4k versus 2k.. 2k looks much sharper to me..
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What source device? What kind of connection? Graphics mode on the source or the projector? PS: To search, use the Search This Thread link at the top of each page.
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A lot of people like Mad VR.

Be sure to take a look at my JVC 4K QuickStart Guide to make sure you're on track. Javs curves are the best to use for HDR. I rarely go back to HDR anymore and am using SDR conversion. I'm looking forward to see how Tone Mapping looks on the new Panasonic players. Not sure about MadVR though. I hear it's great but it looks like a giant hassle.
Thanks for the reply. Your guide was a very handy read. What I mean in my original post is if you use HDR to SDR (through MadVR or alternative method) do we still use the Javs curves as our gamma by setting gamma to custom1? Or was that only applicable when we aren't using HDR to SDR? That part is confusing me....

To put it in other terms, in order to use HDR to SDR properly should I remove Javs curves from my projector and then setup HDR to SDR or use Javs curves in conjunction with HDR to SDR?
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What source device? What kind of connection? Graphics mode on the source or the projector? PS: To search, use the Search This Thread link at the top of each page.
the source is 4k through vudu, graphics mode will be the jvc 520..

Now i know how to search... finally after 2 years..
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It would help if the forum had a forum-wide 'advanced' search. The forum-wide keyword search is worthless and the thread-specific search is too narrow....if I knew where it was I wouldn't need to search.
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It would help if the forum had a forum-wide 'advanced' search. The forum-wide keyword search is worthless and the thread-specific search is too narrow....if I knew where it was I wouldn't need to search.


You can search as wide or as narrow as you want.

Click the "search this forum" link in the top right corner, then select Advance Search to open a new window.

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This is the beauty you get when you are searching from inside a thread. Those options you screen capped should be available in this search too. I shouldn't have to remember to be on the right page when I click 'advanced search'. Every other forum has an immediately obvious sitewide 'advanced search' available on every page.





Well, I found it. After a decade on this site I finally figured out where they hid the search.




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Seeing as we are on topic of HDR>SDR conversion (using MadVR), do Javs curves still apply? I.e. in the User 1 profile mode, for Gamma should it still be on Custom 1 with Javs curves uploaded to it?

Thanks in advance for the input guys, so far haven't been wowed by the JVC as many of you have so clearly I haven't got things up to scratch yet...

If you use MadVR with SDR conversion you wouldnt be using my curves anymore, BUT you can use my curve parameters in the custom version of the Arve tool that Madshi created for MadVR, so you kinda can still use the curves in that respect. Which is what I will be doing when I finally move to SDR conversion in MadVR, right now I have been too busy to keep up with that thread and testing, and have been still using passthrough HDR and still very happy with it.

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You don't have to be in the "right" page/section, you just can't be in a thread.
You can enable the advance search from any forum sub section,
The search does not have to be initiated from the section you intend to search.

Backing out of this thread one step puts you in the Digital Hi-End Projectors section $3K+,
the Advance search is now available and you can choose to search something like "crossover settings"
and choose to select the Subwoofer, Speakers, and AVR sections of the forum, or if you wish... "Search All Open Forums" located at the top of the list.
It would make much more sense to be like the example in blue I showed above. That bar is on every single page on the entire site, no matter what. Obviously AVS is using the same forum software as many others, they just decided to mess with it too much. At least now I know where they buried it (also pictured above).
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I had the one and only @chadb in my theater room yesterday.

He was last here back in October and this time he worked on my low lamp HDR settings along with giving me one for high lamp mode.

VERY happy with what improvements he was able to make. It seems like he is always coming up with ways of improving his HDR custom curves. The high lamp mode was just what I needed but even the low lamp looks better.

I am looking forward to what the new UB820 is able to do with the custom curves, if it is able to improve upon them at all.

At this point I am hoping that JVC will give us a nice update with any new product announcements this Fall. Until then, I am perfectly happy with my "old" X750R.
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