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post #31681 of 31985 Old 03-18-2019, 03:24 PM
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I'm on the April waiting list for the 9000. Same as you, I thought there would be a benefit moving from the 820 to the 9000 with my X750R. I really like my projector and have no to desire (or money) to upgrade it. So the question is buy the 9000 for it's superior build, or maybe wait for a new model later this year. I really wish they would add 21:9 zoom modes since I have a scope screen.
I also have that and currently use the 21:9 option with my Oppo 203, but there isn't a real size difference with toggling the Anamorphic modes on the projector is there? Only thing I've noticed a difference in is that with the 21:9 I can get up to 60fps on some things whereas with the projector anamorphic modes it only goes to 24fps.

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The UB820 remote looks like it would have come with a $150 player. thankfully the UB900 remote was compatible, it's a much nicer remote with a good back light.
I hate the 820 remote. I still have not gotten used to it having used Oppo remotes for over 10 years.
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I also have that and currently use the 21:9 option with my Oppo 203, but there isn't a real size difference with toggling the Anamorphic modes on the projector is there? Only thing I've noticed a difference in is that with the 21:9 I can get up to 60fps on some things whereas with the projector anamorphic modes it only goes to 24fps.
I just assumed the 21:9 modes would be useful for anyone with a scope screen that zooms. That being said, I only had a 203 for a brief period of time and sold it before I tested the zoom modes. I then purchased a Cambridge CXUHD, but sold it new in the factory sealed box after waiting almost 6 months for a promised firmware update that would include the 21:9 modes along with other needed updates. To this day, they have still not provided an update. So, maybe I'm not missing anything then? Do those modes only benefit A-lens users?

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Yes, the Optimizer works in UB820 SDR/BT2020 output mode. Press the Option button to make Optimizer adjustments. You might have to initially turn the Optimizer on while playing a UHD disc in HDR output mode. Once the Optimizer is turned on you can access it in SDR/BT2020 mode while playing HDR content. Once the Optimizer menu is displayed, use the Dynamic Range Conversion Adj. slider control to either increase brightness or improve contrast depending on moving the control to the right or left respectively. I have it set to -2 with my RS500 iris set to zero wide open; otherwise the picture is too bright for me. Those who like to run with the JVC aperture closed down may want to increase the value in the adjustment control to +3 or so. I watched Arrival again last night which is one of the most problematic due to the director's intent to make it dark and dreary. For this title I raised the Dynamic Range Conversion Adj. slider to +2 which made it enjoyable to watch instead of wondering what the director was thinking.

The JVC Basic and High Lumannce Color profiles for use with Panasonic players is only available in the new JVC true 4K projectors, and is installed as part of the latest firmware update.

No, I don't know of any way to reposition the menu.

I verified the Optimizer does indeed work in SDR. I guess I was confusing it for whatever the HDR Settings button brings you to. Thanks!
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I watched Arrival again last night which is one of the most problematic due to the director's intent to make it dark and dreary. For this title I raised the Dynamic Range Conversion Adj. slider to +2 which made it enjoyable to watch instead of wondering what the director was thinking.
Arrival is the one of the only movies I call complete BS on "director's intent" for visual style. The directors desire to suck any sort of brightness out of the movie makes the entire thing unnaturally dark and very unpleasant. Extremely unfortunate as the movie otherwise is excellent. I had no issues with Denis Villeneuve's other movies like Sicario or Blade Runner 2049. I have been meaning to revisit this title now that I have my projector dialed in the SDR2020, but that still doesn't detract from the screenshot below. Arrival is excruciatingly dark.

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you ain't kidding. great movie, absolutely garage in the low light mastering. if the movie wasn't so good, I would have stopped watching as the dark, washed out look was so frustrating.

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UB9000 has special hdr optimizer preset that are linked to JVC NX5/7/9. The link is a Panasonic JVC collaboration so the HDR remapping is reportedly the best possible.

UB820 doesn’t have that linked presets for the JVC projector. HDR Optimizer on the UB9000 gives you more options (such as low and high luminance projectors instead of one generic “projector” on the 820) UB9000 also uses UHD drive that is purpose-built for the unit, not generic optical drive.

I’m waiting for my RS2000/NX7 to arrive back from its tour so I can actually review its performance with both my 820 and 9000
Lets say a client had a choice, Panasonic Player or calibration on his projector, which would you recommend?
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If the client can only choose one, get the UB9000. The JVC NX7 and NX9 out of the box on a pure-white screen is rather accurate. I have never calibrated the NX5 so I can’t say.

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....Well, I may be jumping off a cliff. Chance to get a DLA-X750R for a relatively decent price, at least $6000cdn less than I was looking to spend on a N7. I'm coming from world of Oled, and want it all - 4K, HDR (as well as I can on projector), and critically 3D. Max I can fit is a 100ft 16:9 screen, that's yet to be picked out. I want size, and as good blacks and PQ I'm likely to get with a mix of content spanning from LaserDisc to UHD. Will be setup in a 100pct light controlled room.


So, key Q - am I being ridiculous looking at a 3year old higher end model over a mid-range new model, price be damned? If I'm already taking the faux-K e-shift route should I look at the new model? Specs are often a schlepp, but with all I'm seeing this definitely looks to be for under $4k CDN a decent buy, pending sometime in the next few years being able to go Laser (whether or not that'll do 3D is another depressing thought, but I'll cling for now)


Yes, I'd have to buy the transmitter...and glasses...and a screen...and mount the thing, and run new power, etc. But, I'd go from a 65" to 100" screen, and with hope would be getting a unit that will last me a half decade before the upgrade itch again.



So, tl;dr - buy a used DLA-X750R, or keep my Oled and save up for an N7 or equivalent?

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So, key Q - am I being ridiculous looking at a 3year old higher end model over a mid-range new model, price be damned?
The x750 (RS500) was a mid-range model as well, although it was closer to the x950 than the NX7 is to the NX9. You’ll likely need some additional equipment such as the HD Fury Linker to play HDR.

If you want to limit the budget, the NX5 would be more future proof than the x750.

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The x750 (RS500) was a mid-range model as well, although it was closer to the x950 than the NX7 is to the NX9. You’ll likely need some additional equipment such as the HD Fury Linker to play HDR.

If you want to limit the budget, the NX5 would be more future proof than the x750.

I -think- it's good to go with HDR, no?



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I -think- it's good to go with HDR, no?



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It works with HDR, but if you search for Gamma D you will see the quality leaves a lot to be desired unless you get into custom curves or use a Panasonic UB820 to output SDR2020.

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And I’m in Markham 😄 I’d recommend you to at least go with the X790, The HDR function is autonatic so you don’t have to go back and forth manually to go from one picture mode to another. I had the 750, 790, and now the NX7

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I have not purchased the 820, yet, waiting for it to appear on the discounter's order sheets. What setting should I use for my Chad-calibrated RS 600? Will there be a visible improvement?

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It’s not going to be discounted for a very long time. People are still lining up to buy it at full price.

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It’s not going to be discounted for a very long time. People are still lining up to buy it at full price.
The UB820 sells for $500 USD in the US and $500 CAD ($370 USD) in Canada, which is a pleasant surprise for those in Canada.

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This is the first time Canuckistans don’t get the short end of the stuck. And we get their OLED too

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This is the first time Canuckistans don’t get the short end of the stuck. And we get their OLED too



...am I allowed to be annoyed in this thread about lack of SACD/DVD-A?

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...am I allowed to be annoyed in this thread about lack of SACD/DVD-A?
As long as you buy it anyway there shouldn't be a problem.

The UB820 is seriously your best bet, especially at those Canadian prices. I made a JVC 4K QuickStart Guide that should get you pointed in the right direction.
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Hi everyone,


I have had the the RS600 since it came out 3 years ago. I just bought an Apple TV 4K.


Is there anyway to lock the gamma so it does not keep going back to Gamma D without buying more equipment(Hd fury/ vertex, etc)


If not, the Apple TV might be going back to Bestbuy



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Is there anyway to lock the gamma so it does not keep going back to Gamma D without buying more equipment(Hd fury/ vertex, etc)
I don’t believe there’s any way of preventing the projector from switching to Gamma D on detection of HDR metadata.

You can “tell” the Apple TV your projector doesn’t support HDR, and the ATV will send only SDR.
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I don’t believe there’s any way of preventing the projector from switching to Gamma D on detection of HDR metadata.

You can “tell” the Apple TV your projector doesn’t support HDR, and the ATV will send only SDR.

Thanks for the info. I guess it goes back to BB. Its a neat little box, but I am not going to keep changing it back every 3-4 mins or so while watching a movie. I wish there was a way to reprogram Gamma D

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Thanks for the info. I guess it goes back to BB. Its a neat little box, but I am not going to keep changing it back every 3-4 mins or so while watching a movie. I wish there was a way to reprogram Gamma D
I believe the repeated switching only happens when you watch Dolby Vision movies. In other cases it should only switch once.
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I have not purchased the 820, yet, waiting for it to appear on the discounter's order sheets. What setting should I use for my Chad-calibrated RS 600? Will there be a visible improvement?
In a word: probably. With a 100" diagonal screen a sharpness increase might be subtle unless you sit, say, less than 8 feet away from the screen. I've got a 135" diagonal screen and sit 14 ft away and with 4K UHD BDs there's a noticeable improvement in sharpness and color from my RS600. While my Lumagen Radiance as a processor isn't in the video chain any more because it does not do 4K, the sacrifice is worth the improvement in PQ with the 820 as source. The scaling to 4K with regular BDs is excellent and in my opinion superior to the RS600s e-shift alone. A HD Fury Integral or Linker is not needed, etc. If you haven't seen it already I suggest you see Kris Deering's review of the UB820 for a lot more information
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I have had the the RS600 since it came out 3 years ago. I just bought an Apple TV 4K.


Is there anyway to lock the gamma so it does not keep going back to Gamma D without buying more equipment(Hd fury/ vertex, etc)


If not, the Apple TV might be going back to Bestbuy



Thanks


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Steve: I have the same equipment as you. Set the Apple TV to 4K SDR. Gamma D will never come on. Projectors are too dim to work very well with HDR anyway. You do loose the wider color gamut that comes with BT2020, but the ATV 4K content can still look great, with many 4K titles better than blu ray.

If only Apple would buy Panasonic's fantastic tone-mapping algorithm, we'd have it made. They can certainly afford it. Maybe some day. Until then I'm often amazed at the ATV 4K quality - and I sit 10 feet from a 9 foot wide screen.

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Steve: I have the same equipment as you. Set the Apple TV to 4K SDR. Gamma D will never come on. Projectors are too dim to work very well with HDR anyway. You do loose the wider color gamut that comes with BT2020, but the ATV 4K content can still look great, with many 4K titles better than blu ray.

If only Apple would buy Panasonic's fantastic tone-mapping algorithm, we'd have it made. They can certainly afford it. Maybe some day. Until then I'm often amazed at the ATV 4K quality - and I sit 10 feet from a 9 foot wide screen.

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I was just thinking that now. I was about to go test that out. You are right, HDR just is not there with projectors anyway. So as long it it does not affect the Atmos sound, I am good. I am a huge physical media person(I have 165 4k's and counting) but it would be nice to get some of the titles for a lot less, that just are not worth the $25-$30 a disc. Plus I was watching Guardians Vol 2 for about 15 mins on Netflix through the Apple TV and it looked really good. Heck even Spectrum thru the app looked better on my screen.



Thanks for the info, I will try it out now



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I was just thinking that now. I was about to go test that out. You are right, HDR just is not there with projectors anyway. So as long it it does not affect the Atmos sound, I am good. I am a huge physical media person(I have 165 4k's and counting) but it would be nice to get some of the titles for a lot less, that just are not worth the $25-$30 a disc. Plus I was watching Guardians Vol 2 for about 15 mins on Netflix through the Apple TV and it looked really good. Heck even Spectrum thru the app looked better on my screen.



Thanks for the info, I will try it out now



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I've been at it since Laser Discs. I've owned over 700 DVDs and now over 800 Blu-rays. With the combined difficulties of decent projector tone mapping and Gamma D, I decided to hold off on UHD discs for a while. Once I got the ATV 4K, I was glad I waited.

I'm a big movie buff, and have spent thousands on discs from new and better masters of classic films, even buying Region Bs from Europe if necessary. I'm still happy to support great reissues with fantastic supplements, etc.

But having seen the quality from the ATV 4K, I'm in no rush to quadruple dip for 4K discs. If you own the Blu ray, and have a digital code, Apple upgrades you to the 4K version for free. If I need to buy a new 4K, I'll wait for it to come down to $10, or even less.

And I really don't miss all those FBI warnings and auto playing piece of crap trailers that the studios have made us sit through as punishment for spending thousands of dollars to legally purchase their content.

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I was just thinking that now. I was about to go test that out. You are right, HDR just is not there with projectors anyway. So as long it it does not affect the Atmos sound, I am good. I am a huge physical media person(I have 165 4k's and counting) but it would be nice to get some of the titles for a lot less, that just are not worth the $25-$30 a disc. Plus I was watching Guardians Vol 2 for about 15 mins on Netflix through the Apple TV and it looked really good. Heck even Spectrum thru the app looked better on my screen.
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But having seen the quality from the ATV 4K, I'm in no rush to quadruple dip for 4K discs.
The Panasonic UB820 is the answer for physical 4K media. With the built-in SDR2020 Tone Mapping, 4K discs behave exactly like HD discs and you never have to deal with Gamma D. The UB820 will make you think you bought a new projector. For the UB820, all you'll need to do is turn on SDR2020 in the UB820 settings. This change means the projector will not see a "HDR" signal so it will not switch to Gamma D. You will need to set projector to use the BT2020 Color Profile (just like 4K HDR) and Gamma 2.4 (instead of Gamma D or Custom Gamma). I set my user modes up for quick switching: User1-HD, User2-4K, User3-3D. The UB820 is still interpreting the HDR data off the disc and sending a "full range" signal to the projector so you are not leaving any color or brightness 'on the table'. You get beautiful high resolution and wide color gamut images without the hassle.

The UB820 is worth every single penny and your only regret will be waiting this long to get it.

I also made a JVC 4K QuickStart Guide that has some tips you might find useful.

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If you own the Blu ray, and have a digital code, Apple upgrades you to the 4K version for free.
On a side note, I need to look into how this works. I have tons of HD & 4K Blu-rays but I sold off almost all of my digital copies...
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The Panasonic UB820 is the answer for physical 4K media.
Unfortunately for network services and USB sources it doesn’t seem to work as well.

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On a side note, I need to look into how this works. I have tons of HD & 4K Blu-rays but I sold off almost all of my digital copies...
The free upgrade to 4K is an Apple-specific policy. With other sites you only get HD, even for codes that come with UHD discs.
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Thanks for the info. I guess it goes back to BB. Its a neat little box, but I am not going to keep changing it back every 3-4 mins or so while watching a movie. I wish there was a way to reprogram Gamma D
The only time the projector switches to D is when it initially receives the HDR tag. From that point forward it will not change back. If you pause your movie and it goes back out to the main menu it might happen again but it won't during movie playback. While it would be nice if the projector would not switch and just allow the user to pick a setting and it stay, it's just the way this projector operates and it's not a big deal at all. I switch from D to my custom curve and then I'm done for the duration of my movie. And as far as HDR not being ready for projectors? Please. I have one of the most challenging setups with a 152" ST130 with microperf and Chad has dialed in HDR amazingly. Would I like a higher nit level? Sure. But I have a level that still has HDR look amazing and would NEVER watch HD blu-ray again if a title is available in 4k HDR. FYI...it (HDR) was unwatchable prior to Chad's calibration. He is worth every penny! To watch SDR2020 when you can have access to a calibrator with experience getting the most out of the RS600 to display HDR properly like Chad (and he is the best) is IMHO a complete waste of owning this projector.

One note. I was initially frustrated with being constantly worried about D kicking on while watching a movie so I would continually pull up the projector menu during a movie to make sure my custom curve is selected and not D. Chad fixed that issue by "calibrating" D with an incredible amount of green push so if it kicks to D then I will absolutely know. I watch movies now with complete relaxation and don't even think about the stupid D kicking on while watching GLORIOUS HDR.
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