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Hi guys,
I recently purchased a new lamp for my RS500. This lamp looks very small. Haven't seen one before but I thought it'd be much bigger. For reference, I'm holding it in my hand. Is this a legit lamp?



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You shouldn't hold a lamp like that with your bare hands, not good
Now wipe it off very carefully everywhere you touched it with a silk rag/lens wipe/microfiber or something else that doesn't fray lint.

When changing a lamp, it's best to wear gloves.

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You shouldn't hold a lamp like that with your bare hands, not good
Now wipe it off very carefully everywhere you touched it with a silk rag/lens wipe/microfiber or something else that doesn't fray lint.

When changing a lamp, it's best to wear gloves.
oh wow. I didn't know. Thx for the info. I'll wipe it off. But does it look normal size? Are these lamps this small?
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I recently purchased a new lamp for my RS500. This lamp looks very small. Haven't seen one before but I thought it'd be much bigger. For reference, I'm holding it in my hand. Is this a legit lamp?
Hi, did you compare it to the original lamp? Where did the lamp come from? try to post a closer up photo of the round white ceramic area, there is a part # on it.

this is the factory lamp / housing disassembled for reference.



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Hi, did you compare it to the original lamp? Where did the lamp come from? try to post a closer up photo of the round white ceramic area, there is a part # on it.

this is the factory lamp / housing disassembled for reference.
Thx for that. Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/itm/143188709740
I haven't compared with the one I have in projector for 2 reasons which I was planning to ask later after knowing if the lamp is legit

1 - My projector was calibrated (~1000 hours ago) and still colors look great. would changing lamp screw up the calibration?
2 - I have never replaced lamp before. Is there a guide/youtube video I can follow?

Finally here is the pic you asked
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e his opinion based on my setup.
I have a Seymour XD, 115" 2:35 screen, so I am still starved for brightness due to the gain and the screen being AT.
I used to have weave AT and switched to Severton 1.3 Perf screen. I sit 9.5' away from my 135" 2.40 screen and see no issue. Even with 2200 hour on my current (which I'll replace soon), with low lamp and Iris at 0, its bright. When I had 1000 hours, it looked even better. If I put lamp to high mode, it becomes very bright and sometimes makes me twitch my eyes I also had Chad come over and he saw my screen and said that he sees no issues. FYI, my room is all covered with black velvet from MLP to the screen and also behind the screen.
Just thought that you might want to try it out if you need more brightness.
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Thx for that. Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/itm/143188709740
I haven't compared with the one I have in projector for 2 reasons which I was planning to ask later after knowing if the lamp is legit

1 - My projector was calibrated (~1000 hours ago) and still colors look great. would changing lamp screw up the calibration?
2 - I have never replaced lamp before. Is there a guide/youtube video I can follow?

Finally here is the pic you asked
you are in good shape, I have 3 lamps from that vendor, they are original JVC lamps.

changing the lamp is a quick process. you remove the lamp cover, 2 screws on the lamp housing. pull out, install the new lamp in the same position, etc.

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you are in good shape, I have 3 lamps from that vendor, they are original JVC lamps.

changing the lamp is a quick process. you remove the lamp cover, 2 screws on the lamp housing. pull out, install the new lamp in the same position, etc.

Yeah this seems very straight forward. What about the calibration? Would it remain effective?
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Does anyone have an old lamp that they would be willing to sell? The condition of the bulb is not important, my housing has some damage to the lens that goes in front of the bulb and that is all I am after. Appreciate any help finding one at a reasonable price. Please PM me if you can help out. Thanks!

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Hey Guys,

What is the difference between the UG and UP?
I just purchased a brand new lamp and I notice this difference on the box.
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Hey Guys,

What is the difference between the UG and UP?
I just purchased a brand new lamp and I notice this difference on the box.
They are identical, it's just a different part number depending on the region it was distributed in.

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They are identical, it's just a different part number depending on the region it was distributed in.

Great!
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What sub-sampling are you all outputting from your 4K player? Is there a rationale for something other than 4:2:0?

I'm sure this has been covered thoroughly. Thanks!

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I use 10 bit 4:4:4. The rationale is I want the player (Panasonic UB9000, famous for Panasonic’s amazing chroma upsampling) do the conversion from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 instead of the projector
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What sub-sampling are you all outputting from your 4K player? Is there a rationale for something other than 4:2:0?

I'm sure this has been covered thoroughly. Thanks!
Best approach is to try both and do whichever looks better. Some folks have test patterns or torture scenes they like to use. Some folks rely on knowing the testing that other people have done.

Note that it is easier on the cabling and other gear to send a 4:2:0 signal than any other. Takes less bandwidth. And that's typically all that's in the source content.

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Yeah this seems very straight forward. What about the calibration? Would it remain effective?
Chad calibrated my projector once when the bulb was 100 hours old.

About 18 months later, I replaced the bulb and put about 100 hours on it before Chad's next visit.

The gray scale tracking was very similar to the prior bulb.

The color space and gamma needed a bit more work, as I recall.

Even if I hadn't done a new calibration, the new bulb would still have been worth it (slightly inaccurate as it was) since the increase in output was very notable. Note that when I say "inaccurate" it was still more accurate than a projector that had never been calibrated.

So a new bulb won't completely wreck your old calibration though it will change it -- and if you need brightness I would choose to get a new bulb -- but you will still want to get a touch up when the next opportunity presents itself. Heck, many of us try to get a touchup every 1000 hours. (And some people do it every few hundred hours and some people never do it throughout the life of the projector, and there are unhappy and happy people in both camps.)
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I went to the local cinema for the first time in over 10 years. It was a local venue in a community of about 50k but looked to have about 1,000 seats... fairly large. I was very disappointed. My 3 1/2 year old RS500 with 2k hours on the bulb, shining on a 10' wide SMX AT screen was much brighter, had better color and far out-performed the theater's contrast. The RS500 has much more depth and pop. The theater's "fade to black" was more of a "fade to gray" like 10 years ago in home-theater land. There was still enough light to plainly see the seats and people. Is this what theaters are like now or should I try a really big movie house?

Oh... and there was no bass... at all...
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I went to the local cinema for the first time in over 10 years. It was a local venue in a community of about 50k but looked to have about 1,000 seats... fairly large. I was very disappointed. My 3 1/2 year old RS500 with 2k hours on the bulb, shining on a 10' wide SMX AT screen was much brighter, had better color and far out-performed the theater's contrast. The RS500 has much more depth and pop. The theater's "fade to black" was more of a "fade to gray" like 10 years ago in home-theater land. There was still enough light to plainly see the seats and people. Is this what theaters are like now or should I try a really big movie house?

Oh... and there was no bass... at all...
Sounds like you just had bad luck. I suspect you went for Endgame. I usually go to an AMC theater a few times a month, especially during the summer. I prefer IMAX 3D and feel it is greatly superior to all other tech. People will complain the black level isn’t great in 2K IMAX (I’ve heard Laser IMAX is incredible) or whine about 3D glasses but IMAX uses 2 projectors which is why I really enjoy the 3D...it is super bright.

There is also Dolby Cinema which uses a laser projector and Atmos sound but I still prefer IMAX because movies like Endgame are presented in open matte 1.90:1 to fill the taller IMAX screen vs 2.39:1 on standard screens.

Finally, most new theaters and retrofits are moving to leather recliners and assigned seating (I still prefer the auditorium seats). If you try a different theater, it might be beneficial to book online to get good seats. I prefer center and just behind the handicap row for Dolby Cinema, perhaps a few rows behind that for IMAX 3D and maybe 5 more rows behind that especially if it is 2K IMAX in 2D (2K IMAX pixelizes if your too close but you can’t see that in 3D). With 4K projectors, even in 2D I like to sit close.

If your going to go to the theater, at least go premium.
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Sounds like you just had bad luck. I suspect you went for Endgame. I usually go to an AMC theater a few times a month, especially during the summer. I prefer IMAX 3D and feel it is greatly superior to all other tech. People will complain the black level isn’t great in 2K IMAX (I’ve heard Laser IMAX is incredible) or whine about 3D glasses but IMAX uses 2 projectors which is why I really enjoy the 3D...it is super bright.

There is also Dolby Cinema which uses a laser projector and Atmos sound but I still prefer IMAX because movies like Endgame are presented in open matte 1.90:1 to fill the taller IMAX screen vs 2.39:1 on standard screens.

Finally, most new theaters and retrofits are moving to leather recliners and assigned seating (I still prefer the auditorium seats). If you try a different theater, it might be beneficial to book online to get good seats. I prefer center and just behind the handicap row for Dolby Cinema, perhaps a few rows behind that for IMAX 3D and maybe 5 more rows behind that especially if it is 2K IMAX in 2D (2K IMAX pixelizes if your too close but you can’t see that in 3D). With 4K projectors, even in 2D I like to sit close.

If your going to go to the theater, at least go premium.
Yep... Endgame... This theater had just gone through a retrofit that included big recliners so I though their presentation equipment would have been re-vamped too. But, no. And we were center, just behind the handicapped. There were 12 other people in the theater. I'll pick more carefully next time. "The Girls" wanted to stay in the home town.
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Late to the party again.

I've gone thru a whole bunch of projectors since joining the Forum about 17 years ago, the best being a Sony VW85 and the rest are mostly JVCs, from RS1, RS2, RS10, RS15, RS20, RS45 and now a RS500. I do not care about 3D or faux-4k but it seemed the holy grail of black borders had been achieved. With the RS45, I had problem with its image on a 118" Carada BW 1.1G screen, even at high lamp. The RS500 could run on low lamp w/o problems. I've not engaged the DI yet. Just ordered a Sony x800 4k DVD, coming next week. I'm very happy with the BR version of Oblivion and Mad Max Fury Road. Used zombie's basic calibration for starter. All week long, I've been re-watching my old stuffs at late night. Tonight is GOT, Episode 5. Hopefully it will have a better/happier story line.

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For a projector you need Panasonic UB820 (or better yet, UB9000) for dynamic tone mapping for the projector.

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For HD, the RSx00 projectors are awesome. 4K & HDR are a different story. If you buy 4K discs, you will want a Panasonic UB820. The implementation of HDR is fundamentally different from anything you've experienced before and the RSx00 implementation is extremely poor.

I'd strongly suggest getting a UB820 as it has tone mapping which is different to all other 4K players (except the more expensive UB9000). It will handle the HDR information so the projector doesn't have to and is something the RSx00 projectors significantly benefit from with the correct configuration.

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Late to the party again.

I've gone thru a whole bunch of projectors since joining the Forum about 17 years ago, the best being a Sony VW85 and the rest are mostly JVCs, from RS1, RS2, RS10, RS15, RS20, RS45 and now a RS500. I do not care about 3D or faux-4k but it seemed the holy grail of black borders had been achieved. With the RS45, I had problem with its image on a 118" Carada BW 1.1G screen, even at high lamp. The RS500 could run on low lamp w/o problems. I've not engaged the DI yet. Just ordered a Sony x800 4k DVD, coming next week. I'm very happy with the BR version of Oblivion and Mad Max Fury Road. Used zombie's basic calibration for starter. All week long, I've been re-watching my old stuffs at late night. Tonight is GOT, Episode 5. Hopefully it will have a better/happier story line.

I used Goo Gone to remove the hated yellow sticker. Life is Good.
The RS500 is a great upgrade to the RS45, enjoy it. Last night we watched The Eagles Live from Melbourne and it looked and sounded amazing.

The recommendations for the Panasonic UB820 with UHD content is good advice, I would send back the X800 before opening it and pick up the 820. It's as close as you can get to plug and play UHD HDR.
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Thanks guys.

It's a day late. My BIL actually picked up an open box from a BB in his area for a song, so I need to drive up next week to pick it up. However, I'll get the long Monoprice cable since mine is about 12 years old.

BTW, do I need to replace all my other short HDMI cables as well, such as Roku, Chromecast and a Zidoo box? They are all connected to a Yamaha AVR 7850, 4k supported.

My only gripes about the JVC, comparing to my RS45 were:
- bright corners
- noisy high lamp mode (probably not needed)
- long time to lock into a source, especially when I switch picture mode or source

Comparing to the RS45, the piano black finish reminds me of the RS2/RS20.
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Thanks guys.

It's a day late. My BIL actually picked up an open box from a BB in his area for a song, so I need to drive up next week to pick it up. However, I'll get the long Monoprice cable since mine is about 12 years old.

BTW, do I need to replace all my other short HDMI cables as well, such as Roku, Chromecast and a Zidoo box? They are all connected to a Yamaha AVR 7850, 4k supported.

My only gripes about the JVC, comparing to my RS45 were:
- bright corners
- noisy high lamp mode (probably not needed)
- long time to lock into a source, especially when I switch picture mode or source

Comparing to the RS45, the piano black finish reminds me of the RS2/RS20.
For me, bright corners were gone with my RS500. They were there ever so slightly in the beginning but went away!

My pj is in a projection booth so high lamp is fine.

Lock-in takes forever on the RS500. Don't know about the later models.

Do yourself a favor and engage the DI. I use the #2 setting. Fades to black are BLACK until your eyes adjust. But the dramatic effect is there. My wife complains about too much contrast... flashlights pointed into the camera, flashing emergency lights, The Blacklist comes to mind as a prime purveyor of headache inducing light effects.
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The RS500 is a great upgrade to the RS45, enjoy it. Last night we watched The Eagles Live from Melbourne and it looked and sounded amazing.

The recommendations for the Panasonic UB820 with UHD content is good advice, I would send back the X800 before opening it and pick up the 820. It's as close as you can get to plug and play UHD HDR.
I know you guys all meant well, but some of us lives on SS checks.

BIL got a x800 also and is practically gifting this one to me. Guess I've to unload it on fleabay rather than telling him to return it. Concurrently I need to unload my BenQ HT2050 to raise the cash.

I will re-watch the Eagles,after GOT.
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For me, bright corners were gone with my RS500. They were there ever so slightly in the beginning but went away!

My pj is in a projection booth so high lamp is fine.

Lock-in takes forever on the RS500. Don't know about the later models.

Do yourself a favor and engage the DI. I use the #2 setting. Fades to black are BLACK until your eyes adjust. But the dramatic effect is there. My wife complains about too much contrast... flashlights pointed into the camera, flashing emergency lights, The Blacklist comes to mind as a prime purveyor of headache inducing light effects.
#2 . Do you mean Auto 2 as in Lamp Aperture under Picture Mode or something/somewhere else? TIA.
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BTW, do I need to replace all my other short HDMI cables as well, such as Roku, Chromecast and a Zidoo box? They are all connected to a Yamaha AVR 7850, 4k supported.
You only need to replace the cables carrying 4K signals, but the cables I recommend are cheap so I replaced all of them at once. THIS (clicky) is the only cable I recommend if your runs are under 30 feet (over 30 feet these cables). No matter what you buy, if it is 25 feet or shorter and does not say EXACTLY "Certified Premium High Speed" you are taking a risk. Just buy exactly what I linked for best results.

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I know you guys all meant well, but some of us lives on SS checks.
The UB820 recommendation is not a Cadillac vs Chevy recommendation. It's a Fuel Injected vs Carburetor recommendation. Fact is, HDR on the RSx00 projectors is fundamentally flawed and doesn't always work correctly no matter what you do. The UB820 is more of a requirement than a recommendation for frustration free enjoyment. If you keep the X800, you will run into HDR problems.

It's honestly at the point I'd recommend waiting until you have the funds for a UB820 than you pull the trigger too early and end up with a flawed HDR setup using a X800.

I'm very much against hyperbole and over hyping certain products, but choosing a X800 over a UB820 with these projectors is a mistake. It will be cheaper in the end to buy the correct player the first time.
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#2 . Do you mean Auto 2 as in Lamp Aperture under Picture Mode or something/somewhere else? TIA.
Right. Auto 2.
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I know you guys all meant well, but some of us lives on SS checks.

BIL got a x800 also and is practically gifting this one to me. Guess I've to unload it on fleabay rather than telling him to return it. Concurrently I need to unload my BenQ HT2050 to raise the cash.

I will re-watch the Eagles,after GOT.
The Panasonic UB820 is much more versatile for HDR, but if you already have the X800 I would at least give it a try before spending any more money.

The X800 has a Projector setting that you should use. You should be able to get very acceptable HDR results by using custom curves, but if you're not ready to get into those, at least make some changes to the gamma D settings as suggested in this post:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56987686

Also, the X800 has an option the convert HDR moves to SDR. You can try that as well.
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The Panasonic UB820 is much more versatile for HDR, but if you already have the X800 I would at least give it a try before spending any more money.

The X800 has a Projector setting that you should use. You should be able to get very acceptable HDR results by using custom curves, but if you're not ready to get into those, at least make some changes to the gamma D settings as suggested in this post:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56987686

Also, the X800 has an option the convert HDR moves to SDR. You can try that as well.
Thanks for your inputs. While I was watching GOT tonight, I also had the Tornoto game on where KL did a last minute jump shot to get to the eastern Final, great match with the Bucks coming.

I did not have time to watch the Eagles BR disc, but started the first 10-15 minutes of LUCY BR as well as couple tracks of Adele in NYC. Haven't been that excited about a JVC product since the RS2 days. This one is a worthy upgrade; all the "old" movies look pristine. Another one coming up will be the original Pacific Rim, BR 2049, 007 series with Craig, etc.

Auto 2 also improves the black per Erkq when a bunch of Korean gangsters in dark suits grabbed Lucy.
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